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Prison, then, is immoral. Taxes are immoral. Speeding tickets are immoral. Taking privileges away from my children is immoral. What else can you think of?
To be taken seriously, you need to post something serious. With a little more depth than 'people don't like to be hurt' which is treated like some deep and meaningful principle with its own acronym. And please don't deny what you have said. It's not strawmanning. It's called 'quoting'.
Not true at all. People go to gaol because they did a crime. Taxes allow society in which one lives to function.
Because it's fair. Fairness is better than unfairness
I do.
As moral agents, each of us are measuring sticks; myself included.
Yes! Prisons without a focus on rehabilitation are immoral. Taxes used for things that do not benefit the citizens are immoral. Speeding tickets issued primarily as a form of revenue collection rather than other measures ensuring transportation safety are immoral. Taking privileges away from children without a higher beneficial purpose is immoral. You are getting it.
...you like to learn? So, from whom have you learned the most, Ken? Which teachers, mentors, authors have come to mean the most to you?
Unfortunately, there are folks who can defend their postions no matter what anyone says.
To nudge people back toward Jesus Christ ... that's why I'm even on CF in the first place. What else would my first priority be?
Education. Preferrably, a well-rounded one that leads people out of their overly autonomous, nihilistically, emotively, solipsistically perpetuated delusions.
Pesonally, I don't. All I've done so far is tell you how I divide out a concept of 'truth' from another concept of 'Truth.'
'truth' is provisional. 'Truth' isn't.
Yes! Prisons without a focus on rehabilitation are immoral. Taxes used for things that do not benefit the citizens are immoral. Speeding tickets issued primarily as a form of revenue collection rather than other measures ensuring transportation safety are immoral. Taking privileges away from children without a higher beneficial purpose is immoral. You are getting it.
Keep in mind that any action will result in a ripple of consequences, all of which must be carefully considered in something we call a moral calculus to determine if the ends justify the means. You can disagree over which ends justify which means, but now you’ve accepted the core principle and now we’re only haggling over the price.
So you disagree that “Actions intended to cause undesirable things to happen to people is immoral.”
I knew that the equivocation would come. I’m not disappointed.Yes! Prisons without a focus on rehabilitation are immoral. Taxes used for things that do not benefit the citizens are immoral. Speeding tickets issued primarily as a form of revenue collection rather than other measures ensuring transportation safety are immoral. Taking privileges away from children without a higher beneficial purpose is immoral. You are getting it.
Keep in mind that any action will result in a ripple of consequences, all of which must be carefully considered in something we call a moral calculus to determine if the ends justify the means. You can disagree over which ends justify which means, but now you’ve accepted the core principle and now we’re only haggling over the price.
What equivocation? Do you believe I have made a false equivocation somewhere?
We’re all some form of consequentialist I’d say. What I’m doing is no more presumptuous than a theist insisting atheists have no foundation to their moral system.
Of course. It started out as
But that isn’t really what you meant. When I brought up prisons, you should have agreed that they were immoral. But that isn’t what you did. You justified prisons.
Yes, I am aware. I am selling one system in contrast with his to demonstrate how his moral standard is no less arbitrary than anyone else’s. Let me cook!
