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How I came to embrace Preterism.
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HI Imblessed.
I do have some information on 666 .
That I learned through my Bible studies.
You can study this in,
Second chron. CH 36
Second kings CH 25
Danial CH1
Danial CH 1 shows date that nubuchadnezzar besiged
jerusalem 607 BC.
607bc
Second chron, says zedekiah reigned under neb. -11years
11 years
THen zedekih rebelled against neb. and neb. destroyed = 596bc
jerusalem and burned temple
Romans under NERO through Titus burned jerusalem + 70ad
and
the temple for the last time =666 years Thanks for asking I am not sure about date, I would haft to go back to history book , I thank Neb destroyed temple [ Aug 10 TH ] 596BC Nero destroy temp[ AUG10] TH 70AD exactly 666 years to day
I do have some information on 666 .
That I learned through my Bible studies.
You can study this in,
Second chron. CH 36
Second kings CH 25
Danial CH1
Danial CH 1 shows date that nubuchadnezzar besiged
jerusalem 607 BC.
607bc
Second chron, says zedekiah reigned under neb. -11years
11 years
THen zedekih rebelled against neb. and neb. destroyed = 596bc
jerusalem and burned temple
Romans under NERO through Titus burned jerusalem + 70ad
and
the temple for the last time =666 years Thanks for asking I am not sure about date, I would haft to go back to history book , I thank Neb destroyed temple [ Aug 10 TH ] 596BC Nero destroy temp[ AUG10] TH 70AD exactly 666 years to day
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Thank you for sharing your testimony - I really was inspired reading this and am considering re-visiting how I study the Bilble since I am coming to realize after being on the forum for awhile that I have been studying the wrong way. I love hearing testimonies like yours. I look forward to seeing more of your posts here too. God bless!JNL said:
JF877
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Hi I'mblessed,Imblessed said:Hi frost, thanks for the encouragement. I posted that (it's my old name) way back in May when I first joined CF and found out there was some other way of interpreting Revelation. I had never heard of any other view besides a pre-trib rapture, dispensation type of thinking. I was having real trouble understanding it, and when I came upon this 'preterist' view, I was completely fascinated. Like you, the logic was undeniable!
I guess you could say now after several months of questions and study, I'm at the very least, a partial preterist. I also now hold to convental instead of dispensations; and I'm now a Calvinist, although a pretty laid back calvinist! So, I've done quite a bit of changing over the last 6 months or so!
I haven't totally joined up with the full preterist camp yet.....but I'm getting closer all the time. I think preterist thinking could really make a difference in the churches right now, I really don't like the escapist attitude of pre-trib rapturists...at least the ones who are rabid about it.
Anyway, thanks for the encouragement and hope to see you around more!
I just stumbled on this thread and was intrigued by your post here - I find myself in a similar place to where you were when you joined CF - I have been visiting mostly the eschatology threads here since joining and went from being pre-trib to post-trib and now am not sure if I am leaning more towards partial preterism. Before coming here, I thought pre-trib teaching was all there was and then I started reading the bible more in depth and getting a new hunger to really go deeper into what the Word says and I keep studying the threads here and am not sure how to proceed with how I study the Bible now to "undo" all my pre-trib/post-trib programming.
How did you approach your bible study during your time of transition? Any suggestions would be appreciated since I am so confused right now and so steeped in futurist, dispensationalist pre-trib doctrine and am trying to start over with the Bible.
Thanks and God bless.
JF877
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Imblessed
Reformed Baptist with a Quaker heritage
It's gratifying to know my struggles may be helping someone else!JesusFreak877 said:
Let's see...well, one of the first things I did was pray, and really talk to God. I'm one of those real casual prayers and I just said "look, God, I'm tired of trying to read the bible and not getting it. I want to understand what I'm reading. I'm ready to try this from a different angle. Do something!!" Irreverant for some, I'm sure, but it usually works for me! LOL
I had been trying to read the bible from the pre-trib rapture dispensationalism point of view and was getting nowhere. I was so frustrated that I just about gave up reading it all together. Then I found CF, and Preterism. I was intrigued. I started asking questions and all the preterists had really in depth, scriptural answers that made sense. One of the guys, stauron, asked this of me(and I think it did more than anything else to help me out)----he asked me to just ignore Revelation for now, and read through the NT with a first century mindset. Get out of the 21'st century and become one of the christians reading the letters sent to the churches by the apostles. Read it like you've just recieved the letter and you are reading it for the first time. One of the things christians today have to realize is that the NT was not written to us. It's good for us, profitable, inspired yes, but not written to us. It's written to the 1st century christians to inspire and encourage, to help them get through the troubled times, to give them hope for something better.
As I sat and read with this mindset, for the first time, the bible came alive for me. I saw things I had never seen before, verses jumped out at me. It was amazing.
Now, I won't say it's been all hunky dory since. There are still parts that I'm having a really hard time understanding, and things that I'm having a hard time letting go. It's not easy to make a switch from "we're going to get raptured away soon" to "the bible has been fulfilled and we are the product of the new covenant"!! Not easy at all.
One thing I can say though, when I've really asked God to come through for me, He always has. I'm an independent person who tries to get through life without God's help most of the time, but He's always answered prayer when I've really needed it, and I was in a spiritual desert before. The thirst I have for God's word now is amazing. I've never felt such a need to learn.......
Man, that was long. Sorry, I kind of got off on a tangent.....but since I don't know how to say it any different I'll just stop now....hope this helps. Feel free to pm me anytime.
windi
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Here is a post from NJFM that I thought you two should read, Ty wrote it.
I can in some ways understand why there are so many preterist stuck in the interim. We have to also remember that the Church is in fact really in it's infancy. And it was not all that long ago that most preterist believed as futurist that the Church Era is waxing old and they are in fact (apart of the first century Church) and bring in the kingdom etc. So preterism is also in fact in its infancy in its understanding as to were we are in Church history.
It was not all that long ago that most of us, were all mislead futurist. So just as it takes time for a baby to learn how to walk so is it with preterism. It has to take baby steps and fall down alot in order to learn to walk. I believe that is also why God has NOT shown all Christians the truth of preterism. God always starts small. Take for example the 12 disciples. And God always uses something that is in its infancy. Remember the women as covenant having a baby? And remember God called a man named Abram and Abraham became a family and his family became a might nation.
In time and space and Church history we have just started to understand how eschatology worked out and there is much more in depth about God's kingdom still to learn. It is characteristic of God to bear evidence of this. A little over two thousand years is not a very long time in view of scripture. God remembers or keeps his covenant unto a thousand generation (Deut. 7:9 was intended to show the quality of God's faithfulness with respect to any given time or promise.
It is quite obvious the Church is still in its infancy and has to fall sometimes before it can learn to walk. He is the LORD our God; His judgments are in all the earth.
He remembers His covenant forever, The word which He commanded, for a thousand generations, The covenant which He made with Abraham, And His oath to Isaac, And confirmed it to Jacob for a statute, To Israel as an everlasting covenant. (Psalm 105:7-10)
We know the thousand generations is not to be understood as literal but eternal so in God's view the Church is in it's infancy. And if the Church is in it's infancy we know so is preterism because it really just got started.
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I can in some ways understand why there are so many preterist stuck in the interim. We have to also remember that the Church is in fact really in it's infancy. And it was not all that long ago that most preterist believed as futurist that the Church Era is waxing old and they are in fact (apart of the first century Church) and bring in the kingdom etc. So preterism is also in fact in its infancy in its understanding as to were we are in Church history.
It was not all that long ago that most of us, were all mislead futurist. So just as it takes time for a baby to learn how to walk so is it with preterism. It has to take baby steps and fall down alot in order to learn to walk. I believe that is also why God has NOT shown all Christians the truth of preterism. God always starts small. Take for example the 12 disciples. And God always uses something that is in its infancy. Remember the women as covenant having a baby? And remember God called a man named Abram and Abraham became a family and his family became a might nation.
In time and space and Church history we have just started to understand how eschatology worked out and there is much more in depth about God's kingdom still to learn. It is characteristic of God to bear evidence of this. A little over two thousand years is not a very long time in view of scripture. God remembers or keeps his covenant unto a thousand generation (Deut. 7:9 was intended to show the quality of God's faithfulness with respect to any given time or promise.
It is quite obvious the Church is still in its infancy and has to fall sometimes before it can learn to walk. He is the LORD our God; His judgments are in all the earth.
He remembers His covenant forever, The word which He commanded, for a thousand generations, The covenant which He made with Abraham, And His oath to Isaac, And confirmed it to Jacob for a statute, To Israel as an everlasting covenant. (Psalm 105:7-10)
We know the thousand generations is not to be understood as literal but eternal so in God's view the Church is in it's infancy. And if the Church is in it's infancy we know so is preterism because it really just got started.
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Imblessed
Reformed Baptist with a Quaker heritage
That's an interesting point Hidden Manna, but I'm afraid I'm not even ready to deal with that yet. I'm still trying to wrap my brain around the whole concept of fulfilled prophecy!
It's weird right now to think of the Church being in 'infancy'. 2000 odd years seems way more than infancy to me! But of course, it's my human nature speaking here. I'm much more of a live for the moment kind of person, and I'm having to deal with issues I've never dealt with before, such as my responsibility now to actually make the world a better place(socially, spiritually, economincally, and environmentally)since it seems I'll be around for a while longer than I previously thought!! I tell ya, being a futurist was alot easier! LOL
I'm still trying to wrap my brain around the whole concept of fulfilled prophecy! It's weird right now to think of the Church being in 'infancy'. 2000 odd years seems way more than infancy to me! But of course, it's my human nature speaking here. I'm much more of a live for the moment kind of person, and I'm having to deal with issues I've never dealt with before, such as my responsibility now to actually make the world a better place(socially, spiritually, economincally, and environmentally)since it seems I'll be around for a while longer than I previously thought!! I tell ya, being a futurist was alot easier! LOL
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Imblessed
Reformed Baptist with a Quaker heritage
That's pretty interesting point JNL, I wonder what the other preterist think of this??JNL said:HI Imblessed.
I do have some information on 666 .
That I learned through my Bible studies.
You can study this in,
Second chron. CH 36
Second kings CH 25
Danial CH1
Danial CH 1 shows date that nubuchadnezzar besiged
jerusalem 607 BC.
607bc
Second chron, says zedekiah reigned under neb. -11years
11 years
THen zedekih rebelled against neb. and neb. destroyed = 596bc
jerusalem and burned temple
Romans under NERO through Titus burned jerusalem + 70ad
and
the temple for the last time =666 years Thanks for asking I am not sure about date, I would haft to go back to history book , I thank Neb destroyed temple [ Aug 10 TH ] 596BC Nero destroy temp[ AUG10] TH 70AD exactly 666 years to day
I know that in preterist circles, the stuff about Nero's name adding up to 666 is the most accepted answer, but there are some who are looking into other views. After all, the writing on the Pope's robes add up to 666 too-or something like that. But there have been many names that have 'added' up too 666 over the years.
any other views on 666 out there?
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Imblessed said:It's gratifying to know my struggles may be helping someone else!
Let's see...well, one of the first things I did was pray, and really talk to God. I'm one of those real casual prayers and I just said "look, God, I'm tired of trying to read the bible and not getting it. I want to understand what I'm reading. I'm ready to try this from a different angle. Do something!!" Irreverant for some, I'm sure, but it usually works for me! LOL
I had been trying to read the bible from the pre-trib rapture dispensationalism point of view and was getting nowhere. I was so frustrated that I just about gave up reading it all together. Then I found CF, and Preterism. I was intrigued. I started asking questions and all the preterists had really in depth, scriptural answers that made sense. One of the guys, stauron, asked this of me(and I think it did more than anything else to help me out)----he asked me to just ignore Revelation for now, and read through the NT with a first century mindset. Get out of the 21'st century and become one of the christians reading the letters sent to the churches by the apostles. Read it like you've just recieved the letter and you are reading it for the first time. One of the things christians today have to realize is that the NT was not written to us. It's good for us, profitable, inspired yes, but not written to us. It's written to the 1st century christians to inspire and encourage, to help them get through the troubled times, to give them hope for something better.
As I sat and read with this mindset, for the first time, the bible came alive for me. I saw things I had never seen before, verses jumped out at me. It was amazing.
Now, I won't say it's been all hunky dory since. There are still parts that I'm having a really hard time understanding, and things that I'm having a hard time letting go. It's not easy to make a switch from "we're going to get raptured away soon" to "the bible has been fulfilled and we are the product of the new covenant"!! Not easy at all.
One thing I can say though, when I've really asked God to come through for me, He always has. I'm an independent person who tries to get through life without God's help most of the time, but He's always answered prayer when I've really needed it, and I was in a spiritual desert before. The thirst I have for God's word now is amazing. I've never felt such a need to learn.......
Man, that was long. Sorry, I kind of got off on a tangent.....but since I don't know how to say it any different I'll just stop now....hope this helps. Feel free to pm me anytime.
windi
Thanks Imblessed,Your story is so amazing to me since what you are describing is right where I am right now! I am starting to think that God led me to CF for a reason and I am going through a time of prayer similar to yours and things are starting to open up in a rewarding, but at times difficult, way - I always prided myself on how many times I have read the Bible through from cover to cover and just accepted a lot of study commentaries and pre-trib teachings on face value without really studying them through before. I realize now that I wasn't really studying the Bible and learning it, or taking the time to understand the background and times in which it was written and got to a point like you where something didn't seem right - I felt shallow and empty when I started to question where does the rapture stuff actually fit in scripture.
I read the final left behind book a few months ago before I came to CF and had this vague feeling which led me to question and search and I've always been obsessed with end times to the detriment of learning the rest of scripture and the richness in the OT and NT.
So you have some very practical advice here - I like the idea of starting fresh the the NT, apart from Revelation, looking at it from a 1st century perspective. I am also switching from the KJV to NIV and NASB translations more right now too. I have relied too much on study bibles commentaries of others and not enough on studying for myself. You are so right, that little by little, God is rewarding me with a new hunger and excitement for the Word and He is showing me amazing things but it is at the same time quite difficult - I have been overwhelmed and excited by the scriptural, indepth answers of the preterists here on CF. I still have a long way to go but am looking forward to a new journey and I expect it will be difficult, but very exciting and also fun at times. I am so happy that I found this thread which I am still reading through about others' experiences here towards preterism too!
By the way, I am thinking of reading the new book by Hank Hanegraf (sp?) called the Last Disciple which you may have heard of? It is a fictional account of what I understand to be a 1st century, preterist account of the events of Revelation, Matthew 24 (?), - anyway - I think it's meant to be a preterist response to the Left Behind fictional series and I hear really good things about it because it is a good read story wise and has the 1st century approach towards eschatology in the NT. I can't wait to read it.
Best wishes with your ongoing studies and I look forward to your future posts too! I am sure I will be going through lot's of these threads and asking questions since so many people here have great answers and are so helpful! Sorry this was so long, but I am just so thrilled with reading this!
Happy Thanksgiving and God bless,
JF877 (Natalie)
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Hi Hidden Manna; Thanks for posting this-it is one of many new concepts for me to look at; I am just at the beginning of learning about the preterist view and abandoning futurism, I am seeing so many things like the Church, the whole NT, prophecy in a new light. Like Imblessed said . . . "it was a lot easier being a futurist!" -- many issues and concepts to deal with, especially our roles as Christians and a light for Jesus in today's world once we abandon the false endtimes ideas. . . but it also makes me more on fire for the Lord at the same time!Hidden Manna said:
God bless,
JF877
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Hello Truth Seekers,
How I came to embrace Preterism ( I need a breakdown of the pronuciation of this word so I will know that I am pronouncing it correctly ) .
I to was raised a futurist, pre-trib. That the great tribulation would take place in our generation. The church would be raptured in the middle of the tribulation. Heaven and earth would be destroyed by fire at the end of the great trib. The dead would come out of there graves. We all would stand before the white throne of judgement. Sinners would be sent to the lake of fire or hell and christians would leave the new heaven, come back to a new earth with christ and the kingdom of God, to rule and reign as kings and priests for a thousand years, then back to heaven for eternity.
Question: To rule and reign over who ? No one is left on earth but christians and they are ALL kings and preist.
I set through teachings on Revelations and the book of Romans three or four times and came out with a big blank. Nothing made any sense. Just a jumbled up mess that no one could understand. After five years of this I was told I wasn't saved and the church wasn't going to except me. This church was full of jealousy, strife, backbiting, hatred. Some wouldn't even shake hands with others.
So I wondered, " does God except churches like this ?
Question: Have you ever heard the expression " religious but lost " ?
To make a long story shorter, I began to seek God from my heart for the truth and light of the bible. I read the bible from beginning to end first, then I began to study the bible. This is where all my inner struggles began.
Rev. 22 v.18,19 If anyone adds to or takes away from this book, God would add the plagues of this book onto him, and take his name out of the book of life.
I had to except the Bible for what is says and to adjust my thinking to the Bible, not the Bible to my thinking.
I found Matt 6, 32 Seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness.
Matt 12,28 If I cast out devils by the spirit of God, then the Kingdom of God has come unto you.
Matt 21, 31 The publicans and Harlots on into the kingdom of God be for you.
Luke 17,20&21 The kingdom of god cometh not with observation, for the kingdom is within you.
Question: What is all of this ? The kingdom hasn't come yet, it's in the future after tribulation. Isn't this what the church as preached ?
Then I fould Matt 22:7 Parable of the King= God made a marriage for his son " Jesus" but the jews would not, but slew the son verse 7 says kings=God was wroth and sent forth his armies ( romans) and destroyed those murderers and burned up their city= Jerusalem a.d 70
Luke 20: 16 He shall come and destroy these husbandmen, give the vineyard to others ( Gentiles ). I discovered that God was behind the burning of Jerusalem and the temple in 70 a.d. " What's this ?" No way I thought. Then in luke 21: 23 This generation shall not pass away till ALL be fullfilled.
Luke 21:22 These be the days of vengence, that ALL things which are WRITTEN may be fulfilled. " WHAT " ? ALL THINGS. Revelations too ?
I could go on and on but I will stop.
I had never heard of the 70 a.d Preterist. Didn't know there was another person in the world that got this meaning out of the Bible. Everytime I tried to show this to others, they said I was of the devil and very mixed up. I , by accident, came across this forum. Thank God I am not alone.
At the end of the book of Revelations after all of this has taken place-ch. 22verse 17- And the spirit and the bride say come, and let him that heareth say, come, and let him that is a thirst come. and whosoever will ( jews Gentiles etc.) let him take the water of life freely. Is this not where "we" have been living since the day of Pentecost ?
I hope my words make since and don't ramble on too long.
GOD BLESS....JNL
How I came to embrace Preterism ( I need a breakdown of the pronuciation of this word so I will know that I am pronouncing it correctly ) .
I to was raised a futurist, pre-trib. That the great tribulation would take place in our generation. The church would be raptured in the middle of the tribulation. Heaven and earth would be destroyed by fire at the end of the great trib. The dead would come out of there graves. We all would stand before the white throne of judgement. Sinners would be sent to the lake of fire or hell and christians would leave the new heaven, come back to a new earth with christ and the kingdom of God, to rule and reign as kings and priests for a thousand years, then back to heaven for eternity.
Question: To rule and reign over who ? No one is left on earth but christians and they are ALL kings and preist.
I set through teachings on Revelations and the book of Romans three or four times and came out with a big blank. Nothing made any sense. Just a jumbled up mess that no one could understand. After five years of this I was told I wasn't saved and the church wasn't going to except me. This church was full of jealousy, strife, backbiting, hatred. Some wouldn't even shake hands with others.
So I wondered, " does God except churches like this ?
Question: Have you ever heard the expression " religious but lost " ?
To make a long story shorter, I began to seek God from my heart for the truth and light of the bible. I read the bible from beginning to end first, then I began to study the bible. This is where all my inner struggles began.
Rev. 22 v.18,19 If anyone adds to or takes away from this book, God would add the plagues of this book onto him, and take his name out of the book of life.
I had to except the Bible for what is says and to adjust my thinking to the Bible, not the Bible to my thinking.
I found Matt 6, 32 Seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness.
Matt 12,28 If I cast out devils by the spirit of God, then the Kingdom of God has come unto you.
Matt 21, 31 The publicans and Harlots on into the kingdom of God be for you.
Luke 17,20&21 The kingdom of god cometh not with observation, for the kingdom is within you.
Question: What is all of this ? The kingdom hasn't come yet, it's in the future after tribulation. Isn't this what the church as preached ?
Then I fould Matt 22:7 Parable of the King= God made a marriage for his son " Jesus" but the jews would not, but slew the son verse 7 says kings=God was wroth and sent forth his armies ( romans) and destroyed those murderers and burned up their city= Jerusalem a.d 70
Luke 20: 16 He shall come and destroy these husbandmen, give the vineyard to others ( Gentiles ). I discovered that God was behind the burning of Jerusalem and the temple in 70 a.d. " What's this ?" No way I thought. Then in luke 21: 23 This generation shall not pass away till ALL be fullfilled.
Luke 21:22 These be the days of vengence, that ALL things which are WRITTEN may be fulfilled. " WHAT " ? ALL THINGS. Revelations too ?
I could go on and on but I will stop.
I had never heard of the 70 a.d Preterist. Didn't know there was another person in the world that got this meaning out of the Bible. Everytime I tried to show this to others, they said I was of the devil and very mixed up. I , by accident, came across this forum. Thank God I am not alone.
At the end of the book of Revelations after all of this has taken place-ch. 22verse 17- And the spirit and the bride say come, and let him that heareth say, come, and let him that is a thirst come. and whosoever will ( jews Gentiles etc.) let him take the water of life freely. Is this not where "we" have been living since the day of Pentecost ?
I hope my words make since and don't ramble on too long.
GOD BLESS....JNL
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Imblessed said:
This is the only thing i have found in my studys of the bible that pretains to 666
If it comes from the bible I say amen it's true
Idon't much credit to ideals or sayings that's not backed by the bible.
god bless jnl
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Good day all, as my second post to the CF forum this thread caught my eye so here is my little story:
Raised in a Catholic home, and becoming disatisfied w/their answers to "life" by the time i was 18, I made the decision to look elsewhere for the answers.
My path I went down on the way to becoming a Christian (then one who holds onto the Preterist View of scripture) took me through Eastern religions, Occult, Witchcraft and other bizzare teachings. Then i met the woman who would later become my wife. She was part of a home church that was charismatic and very "Rapture crazy". Christ was just around the corner and you could read the "End" in the latest headlines.
Well after about 18 years of failed prophecies concerning the "Return" of Jesus, i began to dig and read the Word for myself and not rely so much on any given pastor...that's when I began questioning the idea of Christ and His Kingdom NOT being here as I'd been taught. Upon more self study and digging, I happened across the Preterist viewpoint at several websites. After more study and research I grabbed onto the PretView wholehartedly and the rest is history. Oh yea, my Christian friends think I've lost it, but i've always been a rebel for God. Now i'm even more so!
Cheers,
Thom
Raised in a Catholic home, and becoming disatisfied w/their answers to "life" by the time i was 18, I made the decision to look elsewhere for the answers.
My path I went down on the way to becoming a Christian (then one who holds onto the Preterist View of scripture) took me through Eastern religions, Occult, Witchcraft and other bizzare teachings. Then i met the woman who would later become my wife. She was part of a home church that was charismatic and very "Rapture crazy". Christ was just around the corner and you could read the "End" in the latest headlines.
Well after about 18 years of failed prophecies concerning the "Return" of Jesus, i began to dig and read the Word for myself and not rely so much on any given pastor...that's when I began questioning the idea of Christ and His Kingdom NOT being here as I'd been taught. Upon more self study and digging, I happened across the Preterist viewpoint at several websites. After more study and research I grabbed onto the PretView wholehartedly and the rest is history. Oh yea, my Christian friends think I've lost it, but i've always been a rebel for God. Now i'm even more so!
Cheers,
Thom
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Imblessed
Reformed Baptist with a Quaker heritage
Jotham said:
Welcome Thom! You're over at NewJeruselemMinistries aren't you? I'm Windi over there.
Welcome to CF! Have fun, don't take things too seriously here! There are many who completely reject preterism without a second glance....but I'm sure you know that already!! LOL
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Bulldog said:Wow, there are more of us here than I thought
Hi Bulldog,
Glad to see you still around. There has been a preterist revival happening here as you can see. Imagine this multipling by the thousands all over the earth. I can, it will just take some time but when things get rolling there will be no stoppingit.
I way that I see it even the people of the world will agree that this view makes sense.
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stauron
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Hi all, just popping back in for a visit. Things are still pretty hectic, but I miss you all. Any of you listen to Hank Hanegraaf (sp) the bible answer man?
He is dead set against preterism, but he is a confused futurist and thinks that some things did already happen.
The funny thing is that this lady called in the other day and used "orthodox" about 350 times in 3 minutes to describe the partial preterist view. She didn't actually define it, but knew that it was ortho and full preterism wasn't...
Like Hidden said, I just imagine it multiplying all over (well except for around washington state or the north west, where I am from for some reason).
He is dead set against preterism, but he is a confused futurist and thinks that some things did already happen.
The funny thing is that this lady called in the other day and used "orthodox" about 350 times in 3 minutes to describe the partial preterist view. She didn't actually define it, but knew that it was ortho and full preterism wasn't...
Like Hidden said, I just imagine it multiplying all over (well except for around washington state or the north west, where I am from for some reason).
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stauron said:
Hi Stauron,
I just started to listen to the Bible answer man and heard them speaking concerning the true state of Israel. Looks like they may help straighten somethings out even if from a Partial Preterist view. This radio program of right from the city I live in Calgary.
Revival will most likely start will a PP view because it will be easier accepted because of the creeds.
Even though FP believes that the creeds are okay it is the timing issue where we disagree. But as more people accept the Partial view many in time will open up and think if they were wrong before then they could still be missing a few things like Christ coming as FP believe. I was first PP but only for a week or two. I was convinced that Christ appearing was already fulfilled but did not see it at 70 AD.
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