How essential is Ellen White to SDA?

[BobRyan]

Does everyone here feel that Ellen White is a prophet? Does anyone struggle with that? Does belief in Ellen White's prophethood make or break one's Seventh Day Adventist faith?

This is the board where accepting Ellen White as a prophet is not the expected norm.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Stan Tei]

I said: There is nothing in what Ellen White wrote that says anything about rebuilding the old temple.

I disagree with this statement. Really Marrian? Perhaps you could give me a quote and settle the matter.​

I said: Before that, Satan will set up his throne upon "the sides of the north" near the location of the old temple. in the attempt to deceive the whole world.

First I would like to ask where you came up with this comment because it is not in the Bible. Are you saying that Satan is the beast? If you are than I'm sorry that is not correct at all.​

Here:
Psalms 48:1 A Song and Psalm for the sons of Korah. Great is the LORD, and greatly to be praised in the city of our God, in the mountain of his holiness.
2 Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, is mount Zion, on
the sides of the north, the city of the great King.
3 God is known in her palaces for a refuge.

Isaiah 14:13 For thou (Satan) hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most
High.
Daniel 11:45 And he (Satan) shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

 

[zeke37]

Greetings to All:​

There were two people who made some interesting statement I would like to comment on what they provided based on the Bible.

The is nothing but an evangelical deception of a more recent origin and plays into the hand of Satan to enthrone him after he comes personating Christ. Before that, Satan will set up his throne upon "the sides of the north" near the location of the old temple. in the attempt to deceive the whole world.​

First I would like to ask where you came up with this comment because it is not in the Bible. Are you saying that Satan is the beast? If you are than I'm sorry that is not correct at all.

in Rev13, Satan is BEHIND the political beast from the sea, spiritually from heaven.

that system receives a deadly wound.
Satan becomes the "mouth" of the beast, as Satan is cast out of heaven and to the earth for a short time,
his appearance saves the broken system.​

we learn that the political system will turn religious
Satan IS the religious beast from the earth, when he is cast here for his short time
having supernatural angelic abilities that will fool mankind into believing his lies about him being God/Christ returned to set up "his" kingdom, even looking like a lamb.​

as Jesus is the true Prophet, Satan is the false prophet....and beast incarnate.​

Rev17:7And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
8The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
9And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
10And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
11And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
​

Rev12 (and 20) says just that...short time...
Isa14 and Ez28 describe Satan being destroyed/going into perdition,
as does this here in Rev17, (and in Rev20)
Rev17 describes him going into perdition

The "temple of God" according to Paul, who wrote 2Thes 2, is very clearly us who believe in Christ, as pre-defined 4 times in a row in his other writings infact, Paul says that God does not dwell in buildings of brick.

When Paul was talking about the body being the Temple it was base on each of individually allowing the Holy Spirit to dwell in our minds.​

Look up "temple of God" in the NT and see what you guys come up with yourselves.​

In Thessalonians Paul was not speaking of the mind because Satan cannot dwell in our minds only Elohim. Satan read's your impression because he cannot read the mind. The Bible says on YAHWEH looks on the inside and not you inner thoughts, not Satan.​

so, did you look it up?...search "temple of God" in the NT.
see what "Paul" has to say about it....​

Paul says this first;

• Acts 17:24
  

  God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
  Acts 17:23-25 (in Context) Acts 17 (Whole Chapter)​

and then he says 3 times in a row...​

• 1 Corinthians 3:16
  

  Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
  1 Corinthians 3:15-17 (in Context) 1 Corinthians 3 (Whole Chapter)​
• 1 Corinthians 3:17
  If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
  1 Corinthians 3:16-18 (in Context) 1 Corinthians 3 (Whole Chapter)
• 2 Corinthians 6:16
  And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? forye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
  2 Corinthians 6:15-17 (in Context) 2 Corinthians 6 (Whole Chapter)

and then Paul says...actually using the exact same words...

• 2 Thessalonians 2:4
  Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
  2 Thessalonians 2:3-5 (in Context) 2 Thessalonians 2 (Whole Chapter)

so the same author Paul says that God does not dwell in temples made with hands,

and then pre-defines "temple of God" 3 times in a row as being us...
and then he says "temple of God" the 4th and last time, in 2Thes2,
and for some reason you contend that it doesn't mean the exact same thing as it did the previous 3
nor hold to the Acts17 explanaition of where God dwells?​

that is not logical.​

So, the false Christ (Satan in disguise) comes and pretends to be Jesus Christ. Paul taught that he shall actually sit in us as God...since we are the temple of God. iow, if a Christian believes that Satan is the returned Christ, then Satan will have effectively "sat" in that temple of God (us).he is coming to seduce the potential bride of Christ...he's already got the rest.​

I am truly sorry but this makes no sense at all. You must understand Satan has a seat, power and authority. The KJ scribes interpreted instead of translating Rev 12:9 (read EW 221, 222). Here is where she uplifts the Bible because we want to have private interpretation and there is none. Many will not take the time to first read what I'm about to say, pray about it, read again along with the Scriptures I will give you.

first off, it makes perfect sense to many.
Satan is coming to seduce the vigin bride of Christ...
in an attempt to make them "harlots" before the Lord returns to gather us.

First, EGW present the evidence that Satan was not kick down to this earth the earth was not created. ​

huh?
imo the Rev12 casting out is future,
as is Jesus' prophetic statement about "I saw Satan cast from heaven as lightning"​

I don't know if she stopped and went to creation before finishing about Satan or was that changed by the church? I just don't know because it makes no sense how it was done. However, if you study with eyesalve given to you by the Holy Spirit you will see it.​

see what? I do not give as much credit to E White as you seem to.
we all have the ability to study scripture.
if her conclusions differ from mine, so be it....i stick with mine.
please do not imply that I do not use the "eyes given by the Holy Spirit",
as that is exactly why i have drawn my conclusions...His guidance prayer and biblical study.​

Why do we think we are the center of everything? We are not Gen 2:1, 2 shows that we are the last to be created! Now EGW also provide information (but keep in mind it in the Bible already, you have to study), about Lucifer and he was kicked out of Heaven with angels. If we would place the story about Lucifer want to ask to be reinstated back to his original with Michael/Yashua, we would learn something very interesting.​

sorry, what?
the casting out of Satan, from heaven to earth with his angels, as told in Rev12
is only for a short season.
it is future to us today.​

Satan will perrish, go into perdition, just as Isa14 and Ez28 teach.​

as for the rest of your post....
i know the passages and even have heard theories like that before,
and i even enjoy sci-fi,
however....i will not comment on the rest of your post out of consideration, since i don't agree.
​

 

[Stan Tei]

The temple which Satan wants to inhabit is that which he has deceived the world into believing; a kingdom here on earth, (in Jerusalem). I gave you the Scriptures.

Why do you confuse this with the Temple of God...(our bodies)?

 

[stinsonmarri]

I read that article, that the link was posted to, about the skeleton in the SDA closet... very compelling evidence for the keeping of the feasts, although I would want to do more research before i accepted it as truth.

Please tell me what does these words mean to you:

Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the Feasts of YAHWEH, which ye shall proclaim to be Holy convocations, even these are My Feasts. Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the Sabbath of YAHWEH in all your dwellings. These are the Feasts of YAHWEH, even Holy Convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons. Lev 23:2-4

Blessings,
stinsonmarri

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Please tell me what does these words mean to you:

Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the Feasts of YAHWEH, which ye shall proclaim to be Holy convocations, even these are My Feasts. Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the Sabbath of YAHWEH in all your dwellings. These are the Feasts of YAHWEH, even Holy Convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons. Lev 23:2-4

Blessings,
stinsonmarri

This passage is following a chiastic structure and does not mean that the feasts spoken of are related to the repetition of the 4th commandment. Notice that the first and last elements of this verse are plural while the middle 'thought' is singular.

 

[Stan Tei]

As with the rest of statutes listed in Leviticus, the Feasts of the Lord are all times of Holy Convocations.

The whole sanctuary with its furnishings, tell the story of salvation. The whole process of the sanctuary services, tell the story of salvation. The whole line of all the Yearly Feasts and Annual Sabbaths, tell the story of salvation. The Mazzeroth (AKA Zodiac) tells the story of salvation.

None of these things shall pass away until the whole period of salvation is culminated in the Glorification in the New Earth, and even then, all that was and is the Law of God will remain.

It is a false, and Biblically unsupported teaching that the Feasts ended at the cross. The book of Acts clearly shows Paul observing the Feasts WITH his Gentile converts and Ellen White supports that fact. Paul did not become a Christian until after the stoning of Stephen, more than 3½ years after the cross. The Day of Atonement, the day of Pentecost and Passover are all referenced in Paul's journeys.

The Catholic church openly confesses that they not only changed the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday, but to have also abolished ALL other Jewish Feast days. This did not occur in the first or second century after the cross, but later.

Thus history and Scripture agree, that the Feasts remains after the cross, and the changes to these laws of God were admittedly made BY THE BEAST.

Go and investigate the "Quatrodeciman Controversy" and see the time in which these changes were made.

 

[Stan Tei]

Yes yes yes, God does dwell in the body temple.... but for the purposes of SATAN's deception, HE has and will deceive the majority of the world that HE is God, and that HE has come to thie earth to set up HIS temple, in Jerusalem, "in the sides of the north" just as the prophecy says. Thse who are not God's people will be deceived by this imposter, and that make the dwelling of the Holy Spirit in man as irrelevant to the prophecies of Satan's deceptions.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

As with the rest of statutes listed in Leviticus, the Feasts of the Lord are all times of Holy Convocations.

The whole sanctuary with its furnishings, tell the story of salvation. The whole process of the sanctuary services, tell the story of salvation. The whole line of all the Yearly Feasts and Annual Sabbaths, tell the story of salvation. The Mazzeroth (AKA Zodiac) tells the story of salvation.

None of these things shall pass away until the whole period of salvation is culminated in the Glorification in the New Earth, and even then, all that was and is the Law of God will remain.

It is a false, and Biblically unsupported teaching that the Feasts ended at the cross. The book of Acts clearly shows Paul observing the Feasts WITH his Gentile converts and Ellen White supports that fact. Paul did not become a Christian until after the stoning of Stephen, more than 3½ years after the cross. The Day of Atonement, the day of Pentecost and Passover are all referenced in Paul's journeys.

The Catholic church openly confesses that they not only changed the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday, but to have also abolished ALL other Jewish Feast days. This did not occur in the first or second century after the cross, but later.

Thus history and Scripture agree, that the Feasts remains after the cross, and the changes to these laws of God were admittedly made BY THE BEAST.

Go and investigate the "Quatrodeciman Controversy" and see the time in which these changes were made.

So Christ wasn't the fulfilment of the lamb slain at passover? When Christ said He came not to destroy the law and the prophets but to fulfil, what did he fulfil if the feasts concerning His death were still being celebrated? The Israelites of the OT were keeping these feasts to point them to the coming Saviour, right? So what is the purpose of continuing them after they are fulfilled? Doesn't that deny the fulfilment of the prophesy?

 

[Stan Tei]

So Christ wasn't the fulfilment of the lamb slain at passover? When Christ said He came not to destroy the law and the prophets but to fulfil, what did he fulfil if the feasts concerning His death were still being celebrated? The Israelites of the OT were keeping these feasts to point them to the coming Saviour, right? So what is the purpose of continuing them after they are fulfilled? Doesn't that deny the fulfilment of the prophesy?

Christ was the Passover "LAMB" true. The DAY of Passover is not what our Lord represented. In Hebrew the "WORD" Passover had two meanings; one being the Lamb and the other being the Holy Day. The one does not substitute for the other.

Your objection is also unsupported and assuming that what you deem as being fulfilled, and applicable to ONE holy day, applies to all. They do not.

The rest of the Feast of Unleavened Bread was not fulfilled by Christ, nor was the "Day of Pentecost" and most certainly the Feast of Trumpets, and the Day of Atonement and the Feast of Tabernacles have not been fulfilled.

Christ fulfilled the Law of Sacrifices. Daniel 7 tells us that the sacrifice and oblations shall cease. Many Pentecostals claim that Christ fulfilled all the Law, and therefore they are at will, allowed to break any of them, but retain only that which the New Testament has repeated. However, even in this excuse, they omit even the statutes, of which several are quoted by Paul, citing Old Testament passages. In Malachi 4 we are admonished to remember the Law of Moses... with the statutes and the judgments.

The only Law that changed was that of the Levitical priesthood and the sacrificial law and oblations.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Christ was the Passover "LAMB" true. The DAY of Passover is not what our Lord represented. In Hebrew the "WORD" Passover had two meanings; one being the Lamb and the other being the Holy Day. The one does not substitute for the other.

Your objection is also unsupported and assuming that what you deem as being fulfilled, and applicable to ONE holy day, applies to all. They do not.

The rest of the Feast of Unleavened Bread was not fulfilled by Christ, nor was the "Day of Pentecost" and most certainly the Feast of Trumpets, and the Day of Atonement and the Feast of Tabernacles have not been fulfilled.

Christ fulfilled the Law of Sacrifices. Daniel 7 tells us that the sacrifice and oblations shall cease. Many Pentecostals claim that Christ fulfilled all the Law, and therefore they are at will, allowed to break any of them, but retain only that which the New Testament has repeated. However, even in this excuse, they omit even the statutes, of which several are quoted by Paul, citing Old Testament passages. In Malachi 4 we are admonished to remember the Law of Moses... with the statutes and the judgments.

The only Law that changed was that of the Levitical priesthood and the sacrificial law and oblations.

So you don't see the outpouring of the Holy Spirit upon the apostles as any significance to the day of pentecost? The celebration of the message given to the Israelites at Sinai to proclaim to all nations was fulfilled when the message was given (empowered) to the apostles to proclaim to the world.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Christ was the Passover "LAMB" true. The DAY of Passover is not what our Lord represented. In Hebrew the "WORD" Passover had two meanings; one being the Lamb and the other being the Holy Day. The one does not substitute for the other.

Your objection is also unsupported and assuming that what you deem as being fulfilled, and applicable to ONE holy day, applies to all. They do not.

I also respectfully disagree with your statement that Christ crucifition did not represent the fulfilment of the passover. The original passover was, as you are aware, the killing of a lamb and using the blood to paint the lintels to protect from the destroying angel, right? When Christ was crucified, His blood symbolized our protection from the wrath of god... a complete antitypical fulfilment of the type. We agree with the lamb representing Jesus so no need to go into the details of no bones broken in the type and antitype or other similar evidence. But the purpose of the original was fulfilled in the literal...

 

[Stan Tei]

Acts 20:16 For Paul had determined to sail by Ephesus, because he would not
spend the time in Asia: for he hasted, if it were possible for him, to be
at Jerusalem the day of Pentecost.

1Corinthians 16:8 But I will tarry at Ephesus until Pentecost.

What would Paul be doing with the day of Pentecost if it were already "fulfilled"?

Luke 22:15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this
passover with you before I suffer:
16 For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled
in the kingdom of God.

Apparently, here Christ speaks of the future fulfillment of the Passover.

The event of Pentecost occurred every year in the time appointed. God's calendar does not change. God acts and moves on His holy days.

The Fall Festivals are yet to be fulfilled in the second coming. They were not fulfilled by the death of Christ. The cross did not change the Feast Days.

 

[Stan Tei]

The trouble with most of the arguments against the Feasts, is that the focus is
too narrow. But that is not the manner in which we are advised to examine the
Scriptures. By looking at one point of fulfillment, it is then broadly applied to every
instance, but there are other places in Scripture that still show that they continued
in the practice of keeping the Feasts. Paul did not talk the talk differently than he
walked the walk. He did not hold one group of people to the law and excused others,
but he ever strived to break down the divisions between the Jews and Gentiles.

Note also in the two references above that it speaks of two different Pentecosts.
One in which he hasted towards Jerusalem, and the other where he determined to
stay in Ephesus. This also proves that the old requirement of holding the
convocation at Jerusalem had expired. For Jesus said to the woman of Samaria,

John 4:19 The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet.
20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in
Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.
21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when
ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the
Father.
22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for
salvation is of the Jews.
23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall
worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such
to worship him.

 

[Stan Tei]

Genesis 1:14. And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to
divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons,
and for days, and years:

Luke 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the
stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea
and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those
things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall
be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with
power and great glory.


Blood Red Lunar Eclipses and Solar Eclipses on God’s Holy Days in 2014-2015
What Does It all Mean?

Four lunar eclipses will occur on God’s annual Holy Days during
Passover and Sukkot in the years 2014 and 2015, and two solar
eclipses on Nisan 1 and the Feast of Trumpets! These are exceedingly
rare occurrences, especially when they dovetail with God’s Holy Days!
What does it all mean? What is the prophetic significance? It’s
time to wake up and take heed of these ominous, fateful warnings
from heaven!

Eclipses of 2014-2015 « The Beginning of Wisdom

The Lunar eclipses break down as follows:

Passover April 15, 2014
Feast of Tabernacles October 8, 2014
Passover April 4, 2015
Feast of Tabernacles September 28, 2015

The two Solar eclipses connected with God’s Holy Days
in 2014-2015 occur:

Adar 29/Nisan 1(new year) March 20, 2015
Feast of Trumpets September 13, 2015

These are the signs in the Sun and Moon... that God created.

The Hebrew word "seasons" is MO-ED, which is used for all of
God's Holy Days, His annual Sabbaths and Feasts. See Lev 23.

 

[Stan Tei]

http://www.666beast.net/index.html#Preparing

 

[Stan Tei]

So you don't see the outpouring of the Holy Spirit upon the apostles as any significance to the day of pentecost? The celebration of the message given to the Israelites at Sinai to proclaim to all nations was fulfilled when the message was given (empowered) to the apostles to proclaim to the world.

Yes, I see the outpouring of the Holy Spirit as significant on the day of Pentecost. God acts and moves on His Holy Days.

Throughout history, God had performed many Divine acts on His Holy Days. This ADDS significance to them. It does not "FULFILL" them as meaning that they are then to be disposed of.

Yes, things happen on God's Holy Days, but what does not happen is that they pass away on account of any such event. At no time does the Scriptures say that the falling of the Early Rain upon the apostles on Pentecost, would cause that to be the end of that Holy Day.

Passover: Abraham set off to sacrifice his son Isaac.
Passover: The Israelites enter into Egypt.
Passover: The Israelites leave Egypt 430 years later.
Passover: Our Messiah was sacrificed.
Passover: The Apostle Paul kept it after the cross.

When do you see that it has ended?

Who has told you that any such and such event is the fulfillment and that it has been done away with?

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Passover: Abraham set off to sacrifice his son Isaac.
Passover: The Israelites enter into Egypt.
Passover: The Israelites leave Egypt 430 years later.
Passover: Our Messiah was sacrificed.
Passover: The Apostle Paul kept it after the cross.

When do you see that it has ended?

Who has told you that any such and such event is the fulfillment and that it has been done away with?

Maybe I missed something in my Bible 101 classes but I understand that the first Passover was during the plagues in Egypt just before the death of every forst born. How do you understand the story of Abraham and Issac and the entering in to Egypt of Jacob and his sons, as being the Passover?

Also, the way I have understood Paul desiring to be in Jeruselem at the feasts, was to be able to preach the gospel to the greatest number of people in one place.

 

[Stan Tei]

Maybe I missed something in my Bible 101 classes but I understand that the first Passover was during the plagues in Egypt just before the death of every first born. How do you understand the story of Abraham and Issac and the entering in to Egypt of Jacob and his sons, as being the Passover?

Also, the way I have understood Paul desiring to be in Jeruselem at the feasts, was to be able to preach the gospel to the greatest number of people in one place.

God's Holy Days had their origin from the time of creation. The Scripture says in Genesis 26:5 "Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws." So who told Abraham what God's laws were? The Law was not given until Sinai.

The absence of any evidence in Scripture is not proof that it did not happen. But Abraham knew God's laws and statutes, where the Bible never tells us how or when he was told.

Paul specifically said "I must by all means keep this feast that cometh to Jerusalem, yet elsewhere on another time, he remained in Ephesus to keep the feast.

There is no such reason given in Scripture that Paul was there to preach to Jews. His commission was NOT to preach to the Jews, but he was sent to preach to the Gentiles. The source of such a reason that he was there to preach to as many Jews as possible, is from those who need to find a reason to not keep the feasts. It's lame. It's unfounded. It doesn't agree with the other references to the feasts, when he was not in Jerusalem.

 

[DennisTate]

Greetings to All:​

...........
When Paul was talking about the body being the Temple it was base on each of individually allowing the Holy Spirit to dwell in our minds.

Look up "temple of God" in the NT and see what you guys come up with yourselves.


In Thessalonians Paul was not speaking of the mind because Satan cannot dwell in our minds only Elohim. Satan read's your impression because he cannot read the mind. The Bible says on YAHWEH looks on the inside and not you inner thoughts, not Satan.

So, the false Christ (Satan in disguise) comes and pretends to be Jesus Christ. Paul taught that he shall actually sit in us as God...since we are the temple of God. iow, if a Christian believes that Satan is the returned Christ, then Satan will have effectively "sat" in that temple of God (us).he is coming to seduce the potential bride of Christ...he's already got the rest.

........

Happy Sabbath,​

stinsonmarri

Although I also believe in the building of an actual Jerusalem Third or perhaps Fourth Temple that will perfectly fit the description given in the Book of Ezekiel I do believe that this temple is somehow of symbolic value to all Christians and we will begin to understand hidden levels of meaning in scripture as we see Orthodox Jews and Levites observe the ordinances that have not been done in nearly 2000 years.


Yes, there are 7 billion potential third temples on this earth at this time and God wishes to dwell in and reign over each and every one of them!

Satan on the other hand is astonishingly good at deceiving Christians into believing that they are being guided by the Holy Spirit when something far different is actually happening.

This visionary dream given to Rick Joyner is one of the best jobs I have ever read of getting us Christians to realize how effective a job that the Adversary does of deceiving the majority of us.....all of us to some extent!

If you scroll down to the section entitled The Judgment Seat of Christ I believe you will be impressed...I have read this over and over again because it answered so many of my questions!

The Hordes of Hell are Marching

The Evil Army

I saw a demonic army so large that it stretched as far as I could see. It was separated into divisions, with each carrying a different banner. The foremost and most powerful divisions were Pride, Self righteousness, Respectability, Selfish Ambition, and Unrighteous Judgment, but the largest of all was Jealousy. The leader of this vast army was the Accuser of the Brethren himself. I knew that there were many more evil divisions beyond my scope of vision, but these were the vanguard of this terrible horde from hell that was now being released against the church.

The weapons carried buy this horde had names on them: the swords were named Intimidation; the spears were named Treachery; and their arrows were named Accusations, Gossip, Slander and Faultfinding. Scouts and smaller companies of demons with such names as Rejection, Bitterness, Impatience, Unforgiveness and Lust were sent in advance of this army to prepare for the main attack. I knew in my heart that the church had never faced anything like this before.

The main assignment of this army was to cause division. It was sent to attack every level of relationship-churches with each other, congregations with their pastors, husbands and wives, children and parents, and even children with each other. The scouts were sent to locate the openings in churches, families or individuals that rejection, bitterness, lust, etc., could exploit and make a larger breech for the divisions that were coming.

The most shocking part of this vision was that this horde was not riding on horses, but on Christians! Most of them were welldressed, respectable, and had the appearance of being refined and educated. These were Christians who had opened themselves to the powers of darkness to such a degree that the enemy could use them and they would think that they were being used by God. The Accuser knows that a house divided cannot stand, and this army represented his ultimate attempt to bring such complete division to the church that she would completely fall from grace. (Pastor Rick Joyner)