How does your church baptize?

[Gyorg]

But the fact that Jesus himself said to use "In the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost" is enough for me to use that formula

*Smacks forehead*

 

[psalms 91]

Baptism doesn't remit sin? What say you to Acts 22:16?

Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
KJV

"and be converted," elaborate on this for me, will you?

And be converted, as a sinner before Christ we are in the old man and are unforgiven at the point we believe in our heart and confess with our mouth our sins are washed away in the blood and sacrifice of Jesus and we put on the new man as the spirit of God is within us, our responsibility at that point is to grow in this new man and allow Christ to be Lord of our life, it is a battle that never ends but we must put down the flesh by the spirit that is withion us, that is conversion.

 

[psalms 91]

This brings an important question; when is the blood applied?

Act 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
KJV

At salcvation we are baptised into Christ amnd it is only His bllod that washes clean only His sacrifice that is sufficient.

 

[Gyorg]

And be converted, as a sinner before Christ we are in the old man and are unforgiven at the point we believe in our heart and confess with our mouth our sins are washed away in the blood and sacrifice of Jesus and we put on the new man as the spirit of God is within us, our responsibility at that point is to grow in this new man and allow Christ to be Lord of our life, it is a battle that never ends but we must put down the flesh by the spirit that is withion us, that is conversion.

I don't need a bunch of red herring... No offense

So, is the main point you are bringing confessing with the mouth/ believing? What about John 3:1-8? Acts 2:38, 41?

 

[Gyorg]

At salcvation we are baptised into Christ amnd it is only His bllod that washes clean only His sacrifice that is sufficient.

I don't understand what you are saying. Sorry .

 

[psalms 91]

I don't need a bunch of red herring... No offense

So, is the main point you are bringing confessing with the mouth? What about John 3:1-8? Acts 2:38, 41?

If you want a onew word answer to this I cant and wont give you one as it is all the same no red herring at all the first Adam by him sin and death entered and Christ the last Adam restored us to the place we were that the first Adam lost, it is only Christs blood that washes away sin and nothing else, if you quote scripture look at all of it what was the context, who was being spoken to, why was it being spoken. There is only one thing that cleanes sin and it is no act that man can perform such as baptism, it is the blood of Christ.

 

[Gyorg]

If you want a onew word answer to this I cant and wont give you one as it is all the same no red herring at all the first Adam by him sin and death entered and Christ the last Adam restored us to the place we were that the first Adam lost, it is only Christs blood that washes away sin and nothing else, if you quote scripture look at all of it what was the context, who was being spoken to, why was it being spoken. There is only one thing that cleanes sin and it is no act that man can perform such as baptism, it is the blood of Christ.

I apologize. I was not expecting a 'one word answer' by saying I don't need a bunch of red herring. I'm an assertive individual, 'tis all.

Baptism was given of God. Even the faith to have it undergone [if done so with faith; being the only proper mote for baptism] according to Romans 12:3.

Read Ephesians 2:8-10; 1 Peter 3:21.

When is the blood applied? Blood is not literally poured on an individual; for which you make it seem. Jesus made way for salvation by his blood (Hebrews 9:22; 10:5, 11-18). Now when is salvation realized? I reference the former verses I mentioned.

 

[mrhappy3]

I don't need a bunch of red herring... No offense

So, is the main point you are bringing confessing with the mouth/ believing? What about John 3:1-8? Acts 2:38, 41?

We must take into account ALL the scriptures.

The New birth in oneness circles equates...water & spirit ...with baptism and spirit batism......I used to believe that...for about 12 months...then I got wise !!

Its all God brother & nothing to do with us......that is the WIND that blows where HE desires...not us..........

I like oneness people, I have friends who are. But I don't agree with the doctrine, its too extreme & not biblical.

I like the old UPC mob, the PCI ..they were oneness, but the new birth was NOT acts 2v38 to them...............they believed you are saved at repentance.........the bible teaches this.

I endorse acts 2v38, I encourage people to get the whole package. But, if they don't...thats their business. (its called hunger, & some don't have it).

YOU CAN'T FORCE THEM.

Mind you that LEE STONEKING, he's good, I know him. top fella.

 

[Gyorg]

We must take into account ALL the scriptures.

The New birth in oneness circles equates...water & spirit ...with baptism and spirit batism......I used to believe that...for about 12 months...then I got wise !!

Grande?

Its all God brother & nothing to do with us......that is the WIND that blows where HE desires...not us..........

I understand that. I've provided verses above acknowledging that. A 'duh.
Sorry for the partial argumentum ad hominem, but it appears necessary .

I like oneness people, I have friends who are. But I don't agree with the doctrine, its too extreme & not biblical.

Cool. Likely not this one! HA!

I like the old UPC mob, the PCI ..they were oneness, but the new birth was NOT acts 2v38 to them...............they believed you are saved at repentance.........the bible teaches this.

Quit babbling about it, and lay it out. . .

I endorse acts 2v38, I encourage people to get the whole package. But, if they don't...thats their business. (its called hunger, & some don't have it).

Okie.

YOU CAN'T FORCE THEM.

I'm not trying to. . .

Mind you that LEE STONEKING, he's good, I know him. top fella.

O.K. Personally, *le shrug.*

 

[mrhappy3]

Grande?

I understand that. I've provided verses above acknowledging that. A 'duh.
Sorry for the partial argumentum ad hominem, but it appears necessary .

Cool. Likely not this one! HA!

Quit babeling about it, and lay it out. . .

Okie.

I'm not trying to. . .

O.K. Personally, *le shrug.*

Page 98. When is the blood applied. THE NEW BIRTH BOOK.

David Bernard states..the blood is applied throughout the whole process, from hearing the word for the first time........."

 

[Gyorg]

Page 98. When is the blood applied. THE NEW BIRTH BOOK.

David Bernard states..the blood is applied throughout the whole process, from hearing the word for the first time........."

I have that book. However, it is in the dorm, whilst I am in the lounge. I'll be going over to the dorm momentarily.

But, so what?

 

[Gyorg]

David K. Bernard describes the blood is being applied throughout the entire process. But does not say it is applied when the process begins. Large difference.

 

[mrhappy3]

I have that book. However, it is in the dorm, whilst I am in the lounge. I'll be going over to the dorm momentarily.

But, so what?

Well, Like I said...........I have been there, worn the t shirt, read the books, met the people, seen the bondage, noticed the small hearts, noticed the pride, noticed the ignorance, noticed the control, noticed a lot of things........YOUR ATTITUDE is spot on. .......you are UPC......and if you are not...you should sign up......you fit the bill.

try thinking outside the box, the organisation, read a few more books by other charismatics & pentecostals....cause at the moment you are limited.

For all the tongues, hallelujahs, fasting & whatever else....without LOVE you are nothing.

YOU LACK IT & YOUR COCKY......and I say that to help you.

Here to help.
HAPPY.

 

[mrhappy3]

David K. Bernard describes the blood is being applied throughout the entire process. But does not say it is applied when the process begins. Large difference.

Now you are deceiving yourself. At least Bernard is honest.

Read page 98 carefully. & don't twist it.

HAPPY

 

[Gyorg]

Now you are deceiving yourself. At least Bernard is honest.

Read page 98 carefully. & don't twist it.

HAPPY

I'm not attempting to twist any of his words. He tells it is applied during each step of the whole process. I agree.

 

[Gyorg]

Well, Like I said...........I have been there, worn the t shirt, read the books, met the people, seen the bondage, noticed the small hearts, noticed the pride, noticed the ignorance, noticed the control, noticed a lot of things........YOUR ATTITUDE is spot on. .......you are UPC......and if you are not...you should sign up......you fit the bill.

try thinking outside the box, the organisation, read a few more books by other charismatics & pentecostals....cause at the moment you are limited.

For all the tongues, hallelujahs, fasting & whatever else....without LOVE you are nothing.

YOU LACK IT & YOUR COCKY......and I say that to help you.

Here to help.
HAPPY.

I understand where it speaks about love, and without it one is nothing; 1 Cor chapter 13.
You may say I'm cocky, but you in turn are arrogant.

 

[mrhappy3]

I'm not attempting to twist any of his words. He tells it is applied during each step of the whole process. I agree.

each step including the first step........listen bruv.......I have been about a while.....I know Tommy Tenney's dad well, and I also know Noel Jones & others....who are BIG TIME oneness......BUT....they all accept......salvation begins at repentance. If you drop dead before baptism in Jesus name or B in the Spirit...your make it......

IT COMES DOWN TO THE HEART......know loads who don't just talk the talk, but get there hands dirty. AND they have never heard of Acts 2v38.
Big hearted people, who would give you there last nickel.

God is not fooled.......know plenty in acts 2v38 circles...who are as mean as a pick pocket.

 

[mrhappy3]

I understand where it speaks about love, and without it one is nothing; 1 Cor chapter 13.
You may say I'm cocky, but you in turn are arrogant.

well at least we have something in common at last - agreed !!

 

[Gyorg]

each step including the first step........listen bruv.......I have been about a while.....I know Tommy Tenney's dad well, and I also know Noel Jones & others....who are BIG TIME oneness......BUT....they all accept......salvation begins at repentance. If you drop dead before baptism in Jesus name or B in the Spirit...your make it......

IT COMES DOWN TO THE HEART......know loads who don't just talk the talk, but get there hands dirty. AND they have never heard of Acts 2v38.
Big hearted people, who would give you there last nickel.

God is not fooled.......know plenty in acts 2v38 circles...who are as mean as a pick pocket.

Hm. Instead of going through and array of 'this.'
Can you provide me with scripture describing what you believe is truth?

 

[mrhappy3]

Hm. Instead of going through and array of 'this.'
Can you provide me with scripture describing what you believe is truth?

Truth is this............

At 24 years old after sampling life's pleasures.....women, drugs, gambling, parties, travelling (to over 25 countries), I came to the conclusion that it was all EMPTY.

I had a guy ring me about Jesus, 3 times in 3 weeks.......I ignored his calls & never spoke to him, nor saw him. My mother acted as a foil for me. I didn't want to be bothered by a religious nut.

I was still doing drugs etc, I went to a house to buy some......a man came to the door.....he said I needed to read a tract...about JESUS..I wasn't interested.

I got the drugs from the man upstairs & left.........as i got to my friends car...a voice said to me...go back to the house......I went back.....to cut a long story short......the man at the door was the man..who had been calling me for 3 weeks.

THATS THE TRUTH.

I went to Florida for my sisters wedding, I am from England.

I was in a nightclub......but I was bored...I remembered the guy at the door...the same guy who had rang me for 3 weeks...he had given me a bible. I went back to my hotel room after leaving the club.

I read the bible for 2 minutes, I said if God is real & his name is Jesus....now is the time to REVEAL YOURSELF...

He came into that room that very moment.

After this 5 minute visitation.....I was changed, clean....BORN AGAIN.

NO scripture.....no nothing.

THATS THE TRUTH.

I believe...what the bible says in John Chapter 20....the last verse.

If you want more...you can have it.....I sought the Lord for 3 years in my bedroom. And he came in POWER. Clouds of glory the works...its up to you...if you want more..seek his face.

No doctrine can make this happen...only a broken and contrite heart is what God responds to.

THAT IS TRUTH.

I believe we have to repent, I believe in Baptism in the name of Jesus, I believe that when you are baptised in the Holy Spirit you should speak in tongues. ITS IN THE BIBLE...it is clear....

But it is a part of truth......it is not THE truth. Truth is becoming more like Jesus......& we must die to self to achieve this.

HAPPY