How does Trent align to scripture?

[TraderJack]

I won't name names, but I find it interesting that it was a MODERATOR that reported the OP, for much the same reason I stated in this earlier post:

Well, that is interesting, since Moderators are not supposed to be revealing private info like that.

Also, yours and whatever Moderator it was(if what you say is true), who obviously cannot read for context either and whom I would highly recommend taking some courses in reading comprehension, gives you no excuse to falsely accuse the OP in such an irresponsible manner.

People chose one or two sections that were not altered and presented them as proof that the OP is an authentic representation: Very disingenuous.

No, the OP is clear, as I pointed out earlier, but it does take being able to read something in context so as to correctly comprehend what is actually communicated, instead of seeing things that do not exist.

 

[TraderJack]

Wow, amazing, they are IDENTICAL.

Except for those abreviatoins and numbers thingy's.

What are those BTW?

Peace

Go back and read it again, very slowly and very carefully because it is explained clearly already.

 

[Catholic Christian]

Anyone not in submission to the pope is by the RC definition un-saved.....

CCC 847 - "....Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience—those too may achieve eternal salvation."

Catechism Of The Catholic Church:
http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt1sect2chpt3art9p3.htm


Another False Statement Repudiated by Yours Truly, Catholic Christian

Have a nice day.

 

[intricatic]

Tell me...what does the Greek imply when it talks about "faith." Is it passive or is it active?

Take that information and apply it to what St. James' Epistle discusses about dead faith.

Apostolic Christians get it. Evangelicals do not.

Faith: (Greek) pistis {pis'-tis}......
1) conviction of the truth of anything, belief; in the NT of a conviction or belief respecting man's relationship to God and divine things, generally with the included idea of trust and holy fervour born of faith and joined with it
a) relating to God
1) the conviction that God exists and is the creator and ruler of all things, the provider and bestower of eternal salvation through Christ
b) relating to Christ
1) a strong and welcome conviction or belief that Jesus is the Messiah, through whom we obtain eternal salvation in the kingdom of God
c) the religious beliefs of Christians
d) belief with the predominate idea of trust (or confidence) whether in God or in Christ, springing from faith in the same
2) fidelity, faithfulness
a) the character of one who can be relied on




That wasn't so hard.

 

[BigNorsk]

Carm.org is a known anti-Catholic site. To try and quote Catholic documents from an anti-Catholic website is like trying to find out the positions of the Democrat Party at a Republican website. That type of misinformation seems to violate the commandment about bearing false witness against your neighbor.

Conclusion not in evidence, everything taken from that site on this thread has been shown to be accurate, not altered as was mistakenly alledged. We could for instance find many cases within the Catholic Church where documents have been altered, but I am not aware of any such thing at the carm site. You may not agree with their positions or their proofs, but they do not alter documents to support their case.

You want to see a case of alteration. Take the lineage of Popes given in the online version of the Catholic Encyclopedia, no mention on the page is made that it differs from the original. But thanks to technology, the original is available on google books. And you can go to the entry on Popes, and find that the entry in general is much different, and the lineage of the Popes has been changed to fit later versions.

That would be an example of alteration.

I will wait patiently for an example of such from the Carm site.

Marv

 

[TraderJack]

The source was cited so the charge of misrepresentation is false.

It is pretty plain to the unjaundiced eye that the scriptures cited are for refutation of the canons above them as a glance at the cited scource confirms.

Exactly, the OP is clear that it is a comparison of the canons of Trent verses the Scriptures.

 

[Catholic Christian]

Conclusion not in evidence, everything taken from that site on this thread has been shown to be accurate....

I refer you to this post:

I've been looking at post #19 on the 23rd Canon of the 6th seesion on Justification and it appears that someone has changed the words "who ever saith" (quoted in the first two references) to "who ever believeth" (quoted in the third reference). The canons all say "who ever saith" because they were pointed at persons who were teaching (not believing) heresy.

Something is definately up.

And am I correct in understanding that the scripture references in the OP were put there by a non-Catholic source?

 

[Catholic Christian]

Carm.org is a known anti-Catholic site. To try and quote Catholic documents from an anti-Catholic website is like trying to find out the positions of the Democrat Party at a Republican website. That type of misinformation seems to violate the commandment about bearing false witness against your neighbor.

Thanks for the heads up.

There certainly is something very disturbing about this.

You are welcome.

 

[myfavoritmartin]

Has been to defend the stance of Romes "Trent" vs. Scripture... they have pretty much been attacks on the credibility of me OR my OP.

Trent must be indefensible.

 

[myfavoritmartin]

I refer you to this post:

Post 19 isn't about the 23 rd canon.

 

[intricatic]

Has been to defend the stance of Romes "Trent" vs. Scripture... they have pretty much been attacks on the credibility of me OR my OP.

Trent must be indefensible.

 

[TraderJack]

CCC 847 - "....Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience—those too may achieve eternal salvation."

Catechism Of The Catholic Church:
http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt1sect2chpt3art9p3.htm


Another False Statement Repudiated by Yours Truly, Catholic Christian

Have a nice day.

We have been informed by a Roman Catholic here that the catechism nor the catholic encyclopedia are not reliable for correctly communicating Roman teaching.

Since he insists that only papal proclamations or proclamations from councils are acceptable, then you should follow that standard.

 

[TraderJack]

How would you know who reported it?

Very good question. Moderators are not supposed to divulge private info from reports like that.


"Something stinks in Denmark".

FOR THOSE UNABLE TO UNDERSTAND THE OP I'VE EDITED TO ADD:COMPARED TO SCRIPTURE...

And that was going above and beyond the call of duty since the OP is abundantly clear to those who are able to read for comprehension, that it is a comparison of the canons of Trent with Scripture.

I highly suggest that those who have missed that take several courses in reading comprehension.

 

[myfavoritmartin]

through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience—those too may achieve eternal salvation."

I think this is SAD your church in this statement seems to indicate that without even having faith in CHRIST you may still have eternal life...

THIS is a FALSE teaching.

What a travesty of definition as this one lil bit could lead MILLIONS down the path of destruction.

 

[CaDan]

We have been informed by a Roman Catholic here that the catechism nor the catholic encyclopedia are not reliable for correctly communicating Roman teaching.

Since he insists that only papal proclamations or proclamations from councils are acceptable, then you should follow that standard.

Lumen Gentium and Nostra Aetate concur.

 

[TraderJack]

Lumen Gentium and Nostra Aetate concur.

Were you the Moderator who revealed private info from a "report" to "Catholic Christian"?

Yes or no?

 

[TraderJack]

Originally Posted by Catholic Christian
through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience—those too may achieve eternal salvation."

I think this is SAD your church in this statement seems to indicate that without even having faith in CHRIST you may still have eternal life...

THIS is a FALSE teaching.

What a travesty of definition as this one lil bit could lead MILLIONS down the path of destruction.

Of course it is a false teaching. It is unabated universalism.

 

[myfavoritmartin]

Were you the Moderator who revealed private info from a "report" to "Catholic Christian"?

Yes or no?

I too am curious as this sharing report info warning has been waved at me as well.

 

[TraderJack]

I too am curious as this sharing report info warning has been waved at me as well.

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[TraderJack]

I find it convenient that you omitted Trent's Scriptural basis for these canons and inserted your own. Afraid of comparing Scripture to Scripture?

Trent does not give any Scriptural citations in those canons.