How does Trent align to scripture?

[TraderJack]

That type of misinformation

Talking about misinformation, Rome has excelled at it:

1)Donation of Constantine---fraudulent forgery used to deceive million

2) Pseudo-Isidorian Decretals----fraudulent forgery used to deceive millions

3) The Thesaurus of Greek Fathers---fraudulent forgery used to deceive millions

And that is for starters. Rome is well known for it's deceptive forgeries and invented information used to deceive millions.

There are many more than those 3, which are the better known ones.

 

[TraderJack]

I've been looking at post #19 on the 23rd Canon of the 6th seesion on Justification and it appears that someone has changed the words "who ever saith" (quoted in the first two references) to "who ever believeth" (quoted in the third reference). The canons all say "who ever saith" because they were pointed at persons who were teaching (not believing) heresy.

If you are referring to post #18(#19 has nothing to do with canon 23 at all), then you are badly mistaken and have misread as well.

Here is what post #18 that gives canon 23 from the OP and the Roman source provided:

Canon 23 of the 6th Session of Trent on Justification as rendered by the OP:

Canon 23: "lf any one saith, that a man once justified can sin no more, nor lose grace, and that therefore he that falls and sins was never truly justified; or, on the other hand, that he is able, during his whole life, to avoid all sins, even those that are venial,- except by a special privilege from God, as the Church holds in regard of the Blessed Virgin; let him be anathema."

Canon 23 as rendered by the provided Roman source:

CANON XXIII.-lf any one saith, that a man once justified can sin no more, nor lose grace, and that therefore he that falls and sins was never truly justified; or, on the other hand, that he is able, during his whole life, to avoid all sins, even those that are venial,-except by a special privilege from God, as the Church holds in regard of the Blessed Virgin; let him be anathema.

Once again, exactly the same.

There is no change from "saith" to "believeth" at all. It appears that once again we have some Romans seeing things that do not exist again/

Something is definately up.

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And am I correct in understanding that the scripture references in the OP were put there by a non-Catholic source?

The OP is clear that the Scriptures that follow the canons are in comparison to the canons of Trent.

 

[TraderJack]

There will be a few differences in language because the documents were originally written in Latin.

I wish somebody would a new translation. Hanover College reproduces the 1848 Waterworth translation, and that translation uses language that was archaic at that time.

That is not needed. I have already proven conclusively that the canons rendered by the OP are identical to those rendered from the Roman source CC provided.

They are IDENTICAL.

"What we have heah is failure to read properly"

 

[TraderJack]

There certainly is something very disturbing about this.

This is what is disturbing about this;

"What we have heah is failure to read properly"

 

[TraderJack]

Originally Posted by BigNorsk
Conclusion not in evidence, everything taken from that site on this thread has been shown to be accurate....

I refer you to this post:

Originally Posted by tadoflamb
I've been looking at post #19 on the 23rd Canon of the 6th seesion on Justification and it appears that someone has changed the words "who ever saith" (quoted in the first two references) to "who ever believeth" (quoted in the third reference). The canons all say "who ever saith" because they were pointed at persons who were teaching (not believing) heresy.

Something is definately up.

And am I correct in understanding that the scripture references in the OP were put there by a non-Catholic source?

And I have shown that the post you cite is another example of a Roman Catholic seeing things that do not exist, and is a misrepresentation of the facts.

You may want to see what you see, but the reality is you are not seeing what truly is in existence.

 

[TraderJack]

Has been to defend the stance of Romes "Trent" vs. Scripture... they have pretty much been attacks on the credibility of me OR my OP.

Trent must be indefensible.

That is a tactic seen all over by those who cannot defend their position, attack the source to try to demonize and impune the source. When lacking in truth that is a very common tactic.

It is seen here a lot.

For instance, a Roman will cite Tertullian or Origen, by lifting cherrypicked snippets out of context to try to make it appear as if they were pro-Roman papal.

But then, when they are cited IN CONTEXT, with the entirety of the passage they conveniently cherrypicked a snippet from that proves conclusively that neither were pro-Roman papal, but were directly opposed to any Roman papal supremacy, what do they do?

They attack Tertullian and Origen, saying they were heretics and not reliable sources. LOL

 

[CaDan]

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[Gwenyfur]

Thread moved to proper forum
carry on

 

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[Rick Otto]

CCC 847 - "....Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience&#8212;those too may achieve eternal salvation."

Catechism Of The Catholic Church:
http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt1sect2chpt3art9p3.htm


Another False Statement Repudiated by Yours Truly, Catholic Christian

Have a nice day.

Another false allegation refuted:
"Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff. -Unam Sanctum

I Like your Catechism better. Like the Bible, it only requires subjection to God.
Have a nice forever!

 

[TraderJack]

Another false allegation refuted:
"Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff. -Unam Sanctum

I Like your Catechism better. Like the Bible, it only requires subjection to God.
Have a nice forever!

Unam Sanctum is supposedly an "ex cathedra", thus "infallible" declaration of "Divinely revealed truth" and cannot be changed.

But Lumen Gentium as cited from the catechism does indeed change it.

Wots up widdat?