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I agree that according to mans commandments we follow after through the law of the land even filing for divorce but as Christ declared in the beginning it was not so,but because of the hardness of heart Moses allowed the Israelites to file a bill of divorcement,Marriage is a covenant just even as we believers are in covenant with God even Jesus.marriage starts with the heart and always been,not necessarily written on paper but written in the heart with love.So what was marriage in the bible if it wasn't papers?
I agree that according to mans commandments we follow after through the law of the land even filing for divorce but as Christ declared in the beginning it was not so,but because of the hardness of heart Moses allowed the Israelites to file a bill of divorcement,Marriage is a covenant just even as we believers are in covenant with God even Jesus.marriage starts with the heart and always been,not necessarily written on paper but written in the heart with love.
I'm hoping your in agreement of what I posted because I mentioned the same things as u did that's if u carefully reed my entire post.^^
This.
Marriage is a man and a woman who stand before God and tell Him that they want to be together for the rest of their lives, together to start a family.
Papers not required, lol. Papers are only to prove to other men/women that they are married... God needs no such papers, He knows who He married and who He did not.
I'm hoping your in agreement of what I posted because I mentioned the same things as u did that's if u carefully reed my entire post.
Ok nevertheless I'm asking if you saw that I agreed with you from my post earlier and I agree with what u said in yur postHence, the "This" in the first line of my post, which is basically saying "I'd like to say this quoted block, plus...."
It's a common forum thing that you see in other forums on the internet, to quote someone and go "^^ This" and then add your own words to it to continue building upon (or re-affirm) what they said.
I do see a religious ceremony as being a covenant that the two people are making before God. If God is specifically mentioned, then I consider it a covenant.But doesn't the religious ceremony make it holy matrimony, which gives the marriage a sacred and religious context and meaning?
Marriage existed before Judaism and Christianity. That confuses me, because Judaism and Christianity were how God first revealed through prophets how he wanted people to live. In indigenous cultures, and even in different cultures around the world, what defines it is different.
What is the bibical definition, exactly? I'm confused. I was always interested in analyzing every detail of the Bible, but this is one topic that I find somewhat enigmatic.
I've heard people say the legal institution of marriage is different (but yet closely connected) to the religious sacrament of matrimony. Is that true or false?
I would look at the example of the marriage of Isaac and Rebekah. They did not have a ceremony. They did not have a wedding. All they did was go into his mother's tent and came out as husband and wife. Obviously 1 Corinthians 7 says that sexual Intercourse does not cause a man and a woman to be married. But whatever is necessary only required the man, the woman, and God.But doesn't the religious ceremony make it holy matrimony, which gives the marriage a sacred and religious context and meaning?
Jesus made it absolutely clear that the only acceptable reason for divorce is sexual immorality. It is not biblical to divorce because of physical abuse. However, the spouse should separate to a safe place and pray for the other spouse and trust that the Holy Spirit will change the abusive heart.But then you run into the problem of someone being punished for nothing, and does God really punish someone for the rest of their life for something they didn't even do?
Consider a kindly and faithful woman who meets a man and falls in love with him, only she doesn't know that this man has a hidden violent side to him. They date, and this violent side of him never arises because she's not around him enough during dating.
They marry after, say, a couple years of dating and things go well the first year or two and they have a child. Things start falling apart fast; the man starts getting frustrated, perhaps he starts drinking or what-not and becomes violent towards her and their child. She tries for years to make it work, she tries prayer, she tries calming him down, she tries counseling, but she inevitably ends up divorcing him because of his violent behavior. Maybe he even spends a stint in jail because of domestic abuse.
So now she's divorced. If we take adultery as the only reason someone can divorce and re-marry, this poor woman who did nothing wrong in the matter is now punished the rest of her life. She can't re-marry (assuming we're only allowing for divorce because of adultery), and she's now forced to live on her own. Let's say she married at a young age and was a housewife. She's supposed to somehow get a job and support a child on her own?
Does God punish people who did nothing wrong?
This is why pastors say that domestic abuse could (but we have no proof of) be another "valid" reason for divorce. Perhaps domestic abuse didn't exist much back then, and that's why it wasn't mentioned. I don't know. It just doesn't seem like the character of God to punish someone in this situation by forcing them to remain single the rest of their lives. Even widows are allowed to re-marry (I've not read anything in the Bible that says a widow can't marry again).
Marriage was practiced since Adam and Eve.
And no, it isn't defined by paper. True Marriage is a union between a man and a woman by God with witness(es) present (usually a preacher/pastor/minister).
Now, in the USA, marriage by law requires papers, and all sorts of stuff that God probably doesn't really care about so much (though He would have you do it so that you stay within the laws of man as He commanded us to in the Bible).
So you're saying marriages done without papers are crimes? I'm not an expert on the subject, and I'm kind of confused at this discussion.
You are correct that a couple needs to be legally married. However, not all states require a marriage license issued by the state to be legally married, it's call LEGAL Marriage under Common Law.I'm not a lawyer, but AFAIK, to claim marriage on your income tax return in the USA, you need to actually be married under USA Law, which includes a Marriage License, and all that jazz.
Biblical marriage? All the patriarchs married half-sisters or cousins and still had relations with the wive's concubine. Adam and Eve's children married sisters and brothers. David and Solomon had multiple wives.
Marriage was practiced since Adam and Eve.
And no, it isn't defined by paper. True Marriage is a union between a man and a woman by God with witness(es) present (usually a preacher/pastor/minister).
Now, in the USA, marriage by law requires papers, and all sorts of stuff that God probably doesn't really care about so much (though He would have you do it so that you stay within the laws of man as He commanded us to in the Bible).
But what was the equivalent of that in bibical times?
http://www.gotquestions.org/marriage-constitutes.html
This is an interesting topic, but it's hard to find a clear answer on it.
Doesn't that depend on the Biblical period that is being considered?Biblical Weddings were Jewish weddings, and the Jews did something quite a bit different.
Doesn't that depend on the Biblical period that is being considered?
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