how does one lay hold of eternal life?

[morse86]

Of course faith is a gift. But we can choose to receive or refuse that gift. Salvation is not by works.

Let me put it this way.
Saving faith makes you respond to God.
If you don't believe God is who He says He is, then you won't respond to Him.
And our response is an action on our part.

If we have responded to God, by accepting the gift of faith he offers, it WILL result in works.

There are all kinds of counterfeits for faith.
There's the "faith alone without works" counterfeit.
There's the "works to earn salvation" counterfeit.
And there's the "if God wants to save me, He will, without any response on my part" counterfeit.

WHat?!?!??

So when you go SOUL WINNING, do you think the average person who gets saved does any work or cares about God?!?!? NO. There is no such thing as "saving faith". It's no where in the bible, come on.

Most of the people won by soul winning don't even show up in church, they continue whatever lifestyle. Yet, they are saved because they believed when the gospel was given. That's what the bible teaches and shows.

It's easy to be saved. It's not a burden, it's not work, it's easy. It's belief, it happens in a moment of time. It's simple.

 

[Korean-American Christian]

The devil is a subtle beast. It is the master of deception, it has several devices that trap man. We need to seek a translation that has been passed down generation to generation since Jesus time. It is easy to confirm which translation this is, it's the KJV. God has promised us he will preserve his word. He is God, we have his word today. One of the bibles is the real word of God. If you do a compare and contrast, the KJV is the real bible (and all of the old bibles). The other counterfeit "modern" translations make a joke of salvation.

Isn't William Tyndale's English Bible older than the King James Version??

Tyndale’s Bible is credited with being the first English translation to work directly from Hebrew and Greek texts. The first complete edition of his New Testament was in 1526. Tyndale used the Greek and Hebrew texts of the New Testament (NT) and Old Testament (OT) in addition to Jerome's Latin translation.

 

[RascaLinFaith]

But we can choose to receive or refuse that gift

Can we though?

 

[RascaLinFaith]

Most of the people won by soul winning don't even show up in church, they continue whatever lifestyle. Yet, they are saved because they believed when the gospel was given. That's what the bible teaches and shows.

I'm sorry, but the bible does not teach that.

 

[morse86]

I'm sorry, but the bible does not teach that.

Why did Jesus die then? Through one man's obedience, life was made available.....I guess God didn't know what he was talking about right? The lamb that GOD HIMSELF (JESUS) will provide that Abraham said?

Don't try to contradict God's word.

 

[RascaLinFaith]

Why did Jesus die then? Through one man's obedience, life was made available.....I guess God didn't know what he was talking about right? The lamb that GOD HIMSELF (JESUS) will provide that Abraham said?

Don't try to contradict God's word.

The Bible teaches new creation. The Holy Spirit resurrects the dead to new spiritual life. Your statement that "they continue whatever lifestyle" yet are saved is a far cry from the biblical gospel.

For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people, training us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives in the present age, waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, who gave himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people for his own possession who are zealous for good works. (Titus 2:11-14)

 

[timewerx]

It's that simple?

Is just the top of a very large ice...berg

It tends to be a very controversial topic to discuss.

 

[Korean-American Christian]

Is just the top of a very large ice...berg

It tends to be a very controversial topic to discuss.

You can say that again

 

[morse86]

The Bible teaches new creation. The Holy Spirit resurrects the dead to new spiritual life. Your statement that "they continue whatever lifestyle" yet are saved is a far cry from the biblical gospel.

For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people, training us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives in the present age, waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, who gave himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people for his own possession who are zealous for good works. (Titus 2:11-14)

The king james bible states "Teaching"..not "training". Job was perfect and upright, was he without sin?!?!? John the Baptist, he doubted the messiah Jesus.....was he saved?!?!

Grace means he is offering you something you don't deserve. Salvation is made available to everyone, Jesus died for the whole world.

What a contradiction you make God's word out to be using counterfeit bible versions.

When someone believes, they are reborn spiritually. You have the flesh and the spiritual. You have 2 fathers. You have your physical father and your spiritual father (GOD THE FATHER ONLY).

 

[morse86]

Is just the top of a very large ice...berg

It tends to be a very controversial topic to discuss.

If everyone read their non-counterfeit bible, how would it be controversial? God's word is plain and simple to understand where salvation is defined. It is not up for interpretation or paragraph explanations. It is simple.

 

[Korean-American Christian]

If everyone read their non-counterfeit bible, how would it be controversial? God's word is plain and simple to understand where salvation is defined. It is not up for interpretation or paragraph explanations. It is simple.

Isn't William Tyndale's English Bible older than the King James Version??

Tyndale’s Bible is credited with being the first English translation to work directly from Hebrew and Greek texts. The first complete edition of his New Testament was in 1526. Tyndale used the Greek and Hebrew texts of the New Testament (NT) and Old Testament (OT) in addition to Jerome's Latin translation.

 

[RascaLinFaith]

What a contradiction you make God's word out to be using counterfeit bible versions.

The Greek word used there is παιδεύω, which means to assist in the development of a person’s ability to make appropriate choices, practice discipline.

William Arndt, Frederick W. Danker, and Walter Bauer, A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 2000), 749.


"Training" is an excellent translation.

 

[Korean-American Christian]

I don't believe in "King James only"

Isn't William Tyndale's English Bible older than the King James Version??

Tyndale’s Bible is credited with being the first English translation to work directly from Hebrew and Greek texts. The first complete edition of his New Testament was in 1526. Tyndale used the Greek and Hebrew texts of the New Testament (NT) and Old Testament (OT) in addition to Jerome's Latin translation.

 

[timewerx]

If everyone read their non-counterfeit bible, how would it be controversial? God's word is plain and simple to understand where salvation is defined. It is not up for interpretation or paragraph explanations. It is simple.

I read in all translations using biblehub.com

Even believing in Jesus is just the tip of a very large ice....berg.

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, to which you were also called and have confessed the good confession in the presence of many witnesses (1 Timothy 6:12).

all this passage is saying though is to flee from sin and seek eternal life which is rewarded through salvation and sanctification and a walk with God. Lay hold on eternal life or in modern words work towards eternal life.

"They that endureth until the end shall be saved"

 

[ripple the car]

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[EmSw]

Why did Jesus die then? Through one man's obedience, life was made available.....I guess God didn't know what he was talking about right? The lamb that GOD HIMSELF (JESUS) will provide that Abraham said?

Don't try to contradict God's word.

Did Abraham's son die? Was Isaac sacrificed? Did God provide a lamb, or a ram for Abraham?

 

[FireDragon76]

If you trust in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord....and are baptized....do you have eternal salvation? How is good works involved?

Good works are what comes out of us struggling with the reality that we are both justified and loved by God, and yet are still sinners.

 

[EmSw]

Good works are what comes out of us struggling with the reality that we are both justified and loved by God, and yet are still sinners.

If good works DO NOT come out us after struggling with this reality, are we saved?

 

[FireDragon76]

If good works DO NOT come out us after struggling with this reality, are we saved?

I guess I would need more elaboration. Certainly, some people are not really struggling or carrying a cross, because they aren't hearing or believing rightly.