How does one know anything via faith?

[Ana the Ist]

The answer is satan is desperate to thwart the plans of God, but he doesn't realize he's actually playing right into the plans of God. Faithless scientists are being blinded by evil that has power over this world. God is not of this world, which is why when you put your trust in God you begin to see the truth about life itself. I understand you don't believe this, but what I want you to understand is that the fact that you are human means you must believe something about life, I'm just saying there is a single truth to believe in that does explain everything.

I'm always intrigued by claims of knowledge through mere belief. You said...

"...when you put your trust in God you begin to see the truth about life itself."

What is a truth about life itself that one cannot know/see without trust in god?

 

[Chriliman]

I'm always intrigued by claims of knowledge through mere belief. You said...

"...when you put your trust in God you begin to see the truth about life itself."

What is a truth about life itself that one cannot know/see without trust in god?

When you don't have trust in God. What you see in the world is horrible things happening to good people and amazing things happening to bad people. And you ask yourself how is this fair? But when you trust in God you begin to see the evil for what it truly is and you see the good for what it truly is and you realize what God has done is doing and will do to bring people back to himself in perfect existence. This is hope for the future and faith to persevere and unfailing love.

 

[Ana the Ist]

When you don't have trust in God. What you see in the world is horrible things happening to good people and amazing things happening to bad people. And you ask yourself how is this fair? But when you trust in God you begin to see the evil for what it truly is and you see the good for what it truly is and you realize what God has done is doing and will do to bring people back to himself in perfect existence. This is hope for the future and faith to persevere and unfailing love.

Well...actually, I don't ask myself why the world is "unfair".

Maybe you misunderstood my question...

I want to know what one of these so-called "truths about life" is. One of the ones I cannot see without belief in god. I get that since I don't believe I may not understand it...but surely that won't keep you from being able to tell it to me.

 

[Chriliman]

Well...actually, I don't ask myself why the world is "unfair".

Maybe you misunderstood my question...

I want to know what one of these so-called "truths about life" is. One of the ones I cannot see without belief in god. I get that since I don't believe I may not understand it...but surely that won't keep you from being able to tell it to me.

Well I don't think there are multiple truths. Ultimately, I believe there is one single truth that we're all trying to grasp and we're all taking trillions of different ways to get to it, but I believe when you least expect it, truth will find you and when that moment comes you'll thank Jesus. This is what I believe

 

[Ana the Ist]

Well I don't think there are multiple truths. Ultimately, I believe there is one single truth that we're all trying to grasp and we're all taking trillions of different ways to get to it, but I believe when you least expect it, truth will find you and when that moment comes you'll thank Jesus. This is what I believe

So you can't even tell me what that "truth" is?

Why?

 

[Chriliman]

So you can't even tell me what that "truth" is?

Why?

I'm saying the only truth worth believing in in this life is Jesus.

 

[Kylie]

I'm saying the only truth worth believing in in this life is Jesus.

And how do you determine truth? What tests do you subject it to in order to determine its truthfullness?

 

[Chriliman]

And how do you determine truth? What tests do you subject it to in order to determine its truthfullness?

By not assuming I know the truth and instead ask honest questions and gain knowledge that leads me to the truth.

 

[Ana the Ist]

I'm saying the only truth worth believing in in this life is Jesus.

That's an opinion...not a truth.

 

[Chany]

By not assuming I know the truth and instead ask honest questions and gain knowledge that leads me to the truth.

And you assume such a method will lead you to the truth why?

 

[Chriliman]

And you assume such a method will lead you to the truth why?

I don't assume it will, I have hope that it will.

 

[Chriliman]

That's an opinion...not a truth.

Not an opinion, but a belief. I wouldn't say the fact that you don't believe in God is just your opinion. Instead id say your non-belief in God is irrational because essentially your saying you believe the possible is impossible. Unless you believe God is impossible? But if you believe that I'd ask for proof that God is impossible and you can't provide proof, which is why your stuck believing something irrational. Sure I can't prove God but I have personal evidence of his existence that gets confirmed everyday and my reasoning is rational.

 

[The Cadet]

When you don't have trust in God. What you see in the world is horrible things happening to good people and amazing things happening to bad people.

Actually, we see that with or without trust in god. The world is a brutally unfair place, where a serial rapist can be one of our most beloved icons even after his victims came forward in huge numbers.

This is hope for the future and faith to persevere and unfailing love.

If you can't find better, less intellectually toxic ways to preserve hope, is hope truly worth preserving?

I'm saying the only truth worth believing in in this life is Jesus.

I dunno. Me, personally, I think that the belief that if I should probably look both ways before crossing the road is worth believing. But maybe you don't. That said, I kind of wonder how you lived to be old enough to post on a message board if that's the case...

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Not an opinion, but a belief. I wouldn't say the fact that you don't believe in God is just your opinion. Instead id say your non-belief in God is irrational because essentially your saying you believe the possible is impossible. Unless you believe God is impossible? But if you believe that I'd ask for proof that God is impossible and you can't provide proof, which is why your stuck believing something irrational.

What's irrational about not believing in a claim for which there is no good evidence?

Sure I can't prove God but I have personal evidence of his existence that gets confirmed everyday and my reasoning is rational.

The problem is that you seem to think your "personal evidence" is reason enough to insist that others should believe as you do. What if their "personal evidence" supports a different theology or no theology at all? Should they ignore their "personal evidence" and abide by yours? But you wouldn't disregard your "personal evidence" in favour of someone else's, so why should they disregard theirs in favour of yours?

 

[Chriliman]

What's irrational about not believing in a claim for which there is no good evidence?

Because if you continue expecting physical evidence for something that isn't physical(consciousness, God, love, truth) then you'll eventually realize it leads to there being no point to all of this. And if there's no point, why do you continue to care enough to post replies to me?

The problem is that you seem to think your "personal evidence" is reason enough to insist that others should believe as you do. What if their "personal evidence" supports a different theology or no theology at all? Should they ignore their "personal evidence" and abide by yours? But you wouldn't disregard your "personal evidence" in favour of someone else's, so why should they disregard theirs in favour of yours?

Others have had the same "personal evidence", its just for some its stronger and for others its not as strong. My theology states that if anyone wants to believe in God, then they must accept what Jesus did for them and listen for God's leading in their life, I'm not saying anyone should listen to me, I'm not God! Though I believe God can use me to speak his truth.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Others have had the same "personal evidence", its just for some its stronger and for others its not as strong. My theology states that if anyone wants to believe in God, then they must accept what Jesus did for them and listen for God's leading in their life, I'm not saying anyone should listen to me, I'm not God!

And others have had different "personal evidence," which has led them to theological commitments that differ to your own. Why should they abandon their "personal evidence" in favour of yours? Suppose for the sake of argument that I told you I had very strong "personal evidence" that the God of Christianity does not exist. Would you accept that? Why or why not?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Because if you continue expecting physical evidence for something that isn't physical(consciousness, God, love, truth) then you'll eventually realize it leads to there being no point to all of this. And if there's no point, why do you continue to care enough to post replies to me?

I don't think I stipulated that the evidence must be "physical." I'm not sure how you are defining "physical" in this particular instance, so I'm reluctant to say that it should or shouldn't be "physical." More specifically, I asked why it would be irrational to withhold belief in a claim for which there was no good evidence. Wouldn't it be more irrational to uphold the claim as "Absolute Truth" regardless of the evidence for or against it?

 

[Chriliman]

I don't think I stipulated that the evidence must be "physical." I'm not sure how you are defining "physical" in this particular instance, so I'm reluctant to say that it should or shouldn't be "physical." More specifically, I asked why it would be irrational to withhold belief in a claim for which there was no good evidence. Wouldn't it be more irrational to uphold the claim as "Absolute Truth" regardless of the evidence for or against it?

I agree, which is why I have hope that God will provide evidence to you for his existence, but it will still be up to you to accept it as valid evidence.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Is it reasonable to assert that others are obligated to believe as you do on the basis of "evidence" that is only accessible to you?

 

[Chriliman]

And others have had different "personal evidence," which has led them to theological commitments that differ to your own. Why should they abandon their "personal evidence" in favour of yours? Suppose for the sake of argument that I told you I had very strong "personal evidence" that the God of Christianity does not exist. Would you accept that? Why or why not?

If others view what I've said a feel it makes sense to them, they will take into account what I've said and apply it their own beliefs and if they determine that what they believed previously doesn't make sense anymore in light of what I've said then they'll feel lead to change their theology/beliefs.