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I have no idea what you're talking about.
And I don't know what an "internal encounter" is.
You believe it on personal faith then, correct?
No, he was making the point, that your insistence upon evidence that does not pertain to the subject...is illogical. He knows that in order for you to begin to understand, you have to start somewhere. But your insistence upon controlling the direction of questioning, is the same as starting nowhere, and going nowhere.Nah, I'm more interested in your evidence, since you're making the positive claim that a god exists.
So, back to you.
Or are you stalling?
No, he was making the point, that your insistence upon evidence that does not pertain to the subject...is illogical. He knows that in order for you to begin to understand, you have to start somewhere. But your insistence upon controlling the direction of questioning, is the same as starting nowhere, and going nowhere.
You get no satisfactory answers, because you have limited things - not to include the very thing you are asking about. You may as well ask what time it is, and then say, "I don't believe you, and watches, clocks, and other timepieces are not acceptable." That's ridiculous. Why even ask?
Goodness - I had missed this post by TNT. Thank-you for so clearly answering it...
Insisting on material proofs of spiritual matters is indeed oxymoronic...
And then thinking that you have refuted a spiritual claim by material means continues the blunder...
TNT claims to be a seeker, and means by this that he is open to material proofs of spiritual matters...
I am only telling him [or her?] that spiritual matters are not materially discerned...
No rocket science here...
Arsenios
So the upshot of all this is that you have no good evidence that you can share.
So why post? You're not going to convince any non-theist here that any unsubstantiated claim you make is any different than any other unsubstantiated claim.
At the end of the day you're simply proselytizing.
My brother, you do not know substantiation...
You are wearing materialistic blinders...
Which cannot even account for mind...
When death comes, your material life will end...
Your future is bleak and dismal...
Material goods and psycho-social approvals...
Then mental disintegration??
Nihilism has nothing to recommend it...
And nothing has indeed been recommending it for a long time now...
Arsenios
Again... unsubstantiated.
Getting no one... no where...
I am perhaps the most faithless person I know...
I was an atheist for my first 36 years of life...
So no, it is not personal faith at all...
Any more than you setting your alarm is a matter of personal faith...
It is simply a matter of paying inward attention...
Arsenios
No, in fact all we do have...is "good evidence" - that is the point that we have tried to make.So the upshot of all this is that you have no good evidence that you can share.
So why post? You're not going to convince any non-theist here that any unsubstantiated claim you make is any different than any other unsubstantiated claim.
At the end of the day you're simply proselytizing.
Yes...keeping the OP in focus is a good idea.In response to the OP, coming to faith or belief in anything normally comes by experience(s)...
Has ANYone EVER even come to faith in material objects in any other way???
The question is: "What experiences?"
Denial of OPE's* is not helpful.
Arsenios
*Other People's Experience
No, in fact all we do have...is "good evidence" - that is the point that we have tried to make.
What you have described, is not "good evidence", but bad. Good evidence would pertain to the subject. But if you limit your involvement to bad evidence that does not pertain to the subject...then you get no evidence at all. So...we have eternally more good evidence than you can even imagine, but you do not recognize it.
And it has been said many times, we are not here to "convince", we are here to share something you know nothing of, and might like to hear. But if you stop your ears at anything beyond your own understanding, your own world...that is not our limitation, but yours. It is you who are acting against you ever attaining "any good evidence."
If it isnt personal faith, what is it based on?
In your unsubstantiated opinion...
Enjoy your substantial billiards...
They are not the meaning of life...
This life is not about this life...
Arsenios
No - it's fact. And all you are doing is substantiating that you can't comprehend it.In your unsubstantiated opinion...
No - it's fact. And all you are doing is substantiating that you can't comprehend it.
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