How does one become a saint?

Criada · Sep 2, 2012

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Catherineanne · Sep 3, 2012

James4_14 said:
"Creed" simply means "I believe".

There are creeds outside the labeled creeds made by the "fathers".

I asked a member what would happen to me if I stated I did not believe in transsubstantiation when receiveing communion in his church. He said I would be counseled and receive a warning and if it happened again I would be passed by at the next event.
It would be expected that I conform to their "creed" to be a "Christian in good standing".

Credo means I believe. Creed is broader and encompasses a series of beliefs held in common by a group of Christians, in order to protect them from heresy of various forms. That is why Creeds are important; the Nicene and the Athanasian Creeds are the important ones.

However, I would be interested to know what Church you visited.

The Roman Catholic Church is the only one with a dogma of transubstantiation, but you would not qualify for communion with them anyway, as a non Roman. Romans are expected to accept the teachings of their own Church.

The Episcopalian/Anglican communion does NOT demand a belief in transubstantiation before offering the Eucharist to people of other denominations. We do indeed have the wording of 'a Christian in good standing with their own church', but we do not define dogmatically what that good standing comprises. Anglicans are free to accept transubstantiation if we want, or leave the mystery undefined if we prefer; we accept Real Presence, but do not define how that Real Presence is achieved.

I think your friend was mistaken, in other words.

And none of this is to do with the Nicene Creed, which does not define how the mystery of the Eucharist is accomplished.

Gxg (G²) · Oct 28, 2012

Interesting..

Forge3 · Oct 28, 2012

God makes Saints of men this much I know
Even as He makes young flowers to grow.
We most look to Him and not ourselves
placing our pride upon the shelves

A Saint rejoices in his smallness in His Word
Even as his littleness magnifies the Lord.
He heals our brokeness as a Divine sealer
and brings riches from the wounded healer

Being a Saint is all about our hearts
Being open to the wisdom He imparts
He chooses not the strong but the weak
That we have nothing to boast when we speak.

We see our fultility until we learn humility.
We learn of blindness until we can see
Thou are but dust but He has chosen thee
Making a giant out of a little flea

1509 · Oct 28, 2012

The question of this thread is, how does one become a Saint?

Answer: The answer is, that's impossible for a human to do or acquire.
The natural man does not receive the things of God, in other words, he considers the gospel to be foolishness, he is his own god serving self.
Why did Jesus say to Nicodemus "ye must be born from above?'
Because Nicodemus did not receive or adequately understand spiritual things of God.
When a human is supernaturally and miraculously given a change of heart and or nature, it's a complete work done by the Holy Spirit, it's NOT something a human can do for himself.
For some, the question will come up, who then can be saved?, the answer is nobody, except those who's nature is changed by the Holy Spirit.

1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Rom 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

Rom 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
Rom 9:14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
Rom 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
Rom 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

JeromeLuke · Oct 28, 2012

Trust in the Lord with all your heart,
lead not on your understanding,
But acknowledge Him in all your ways
& He shall direct your paths
-Proverbs 3:5-6

A process through with God and live your life with Him, eventually you'll make it to heaven & say Blessed be the Lord our God as we are all Angels when our flesh departs.

Forge3 · Oct 28, 2012

JeromeLuke said:
Trust in the Lord with all your heart,
lead not on your understanding,
But acknowledge Him in all your ways
& He shall direct your paths
-Proverbs 3:5-6

A process through with God and live your life with Him, eventually you'll make it to heaven & say Blessed be the Lord our God as we are all Angels when our flesh departs.

Amen

Forge3 · Oct 28, 2012

May the Lord bless you
may His light shine in your hearts
even as you shine in mine.

Optimax · Oct 29, 2012

Easy G (G²);61065939 said:
Been processing on what it takes for someone to truly be considered as a saint....and it seems some are considered more so than others, even though many believers do some of the same things and never get the title "saint." In example, as much as I may like St.Moses the Black or St.Anthony or St.Patrick...I greatly respect people such as George Washington Carver (famously called the "Peanut Doctor" and one responsible for revolutionizing the world with his creations), whom many consider to be an Eco-Monk/Eco-Missionary for the extensive amount of ways that he transformed communities/sought to show the love of Christ. He's similar. In many ways, a different version of St.Bartholomew the "Green Patriarch" ( #1 ,#6, #28 ) in the way he loved the Lord's creation and saw it as a means of saving others.

But of course, many would not consider him to be saintly enough...but he's someone I value. Interestingly enough, he based aspects of his work with plant hybridization on a monk known as Gregor Mendel (the "Scientist Monk" who did work on plant breeding while at St Thomas's Abbey of the Roman Catholic church)--and seeing Medel's work referenced by Carver seemed to connect the dots as it concerns the ways monasticism helped Carver do as he did, as it was within Monasticism that Medel's work gained more focus.

All of that is said in regards to the larger issue of seeing how others are able to be considered as saints when while others aren't even though there may be the same actions in both. Praying that my question makes sense

Simple!

A saint is a born again person.

That's it!

Those who are born again are saints.

Those who are born again are Sons/Daughters of God.

Those who are born again are citizens of the Kingdom of God.

Those who are born again are Heaven Bound.

Those who are not born again are Hell Bound.

Not born again?

Here's how!

Rom 10:9-10

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. KJV

God said it!

I just repeated what He said!

Want to argue?

Argue with God.

See how far that gets ya!

1509 · Oct 29, 2012

Optimax said:
Simple!

A saint is a born again person.

That's it!

Those who are born again are saints.

Those who are born again are Sons/Daughters of God.

Those who are born again are citizens of the Kingdom of God.

Those who are born again are Heaven Bound.

Those who are not born again are Hell Bound.

Not born again?

Here's how!

Rom 10:9-10

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. KJV

God said it!

I just repeated what He said!

Want to argue?

Argue with God.

See how far that gets ya!

Amen Nobody ever argued with God and won!

If it was up to human effort to determine wether or not we are Saints, ALL would fail, since God demands nothing less than 100% perfection, who can accomplish that?? NOBODY!

Optimax · Oct 29, 2012

1509 said:
Amen Nobody ever argued with God and won!

If it was up to human effort to determine wether or not we are Saints, ALL would fail, since God demands nothing less than 100% perfection, who can accomplish that?? NOBODY!

We agree that nobody wins an argument with God.

Would like to know where in the Bible you get that God demands 100% perfection?

christseeker45 · Oct 29, 2012

How does one become a saint?

Practice and then joining the New Orleans football team

Forge3 · Oct 29, 2012

christseeker45 said:
Practice and then joining the New Orleans football team

That is all touch and go

LittleLambofJesus · Oct 29, 2012

How does one become a saint?

Just make an icon of yerself

bbbbbbb · Oct 29, 2012

LittleLambofJesus said:
How does one become a saint?

Just make an icon of yerself

weariedsoul · Oct 30, 2012

Or turn yourself into the Icon.

Mat 10:24 The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord.
Mat 10:25 It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord...

Rhamiel · Oct 30, 2012

weariedsoul said:
Or turn yourself into the Icon.

Mat 10:24 The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord.
Mat 10:25 It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord...

very good point!
the reason why we remember the saints
is because they reflect the Lord
they are a sign of His power to save us from sin

weariedsoul · Oct 30, 2012

Rhamiel said:
very good point!
the reason why we remember the saints
is because they reflect the Lord
they are a sign of His power to save us from sin

Paul says be followers of Him and those that walk that way, because they follow the Lord. And He's right.

1509 · Oct 30, 2012

Rhamiel said:
very good point!
the reason why we remember the saints
is because they reflect the Lord
they are a sign of His power to save us from sin

Sorry, but I don't like your signature, because it contradicts scripture.

1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

What part of ONE do you not understand??

1509 · Oct 30, 2012

Optimax said:
We agree that nobody wins an argument with God.

Would like to know where in the Bible you get that God demands 100% perfection?

Those who are born from above are in the Fathers eyes perfect, but ONLY ONLY because of the substitutionary atonement of Christ. ALL the rest are under law, and the law kills.

2Co 3:3 And you show that you are a letter from Christ delivered by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.
2Co 3:4 Such is the confidence that we have through Christ toward God.
2Co 3:5 Not that we are sufficient in ourselves to claim anything as coming from us, but our sufficiency is from God,
2Co 3:6 who has made us competent to be ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

Law kills, that's why nobody will ever be saved by doing good, salvation by works is a false gospel.

Jas 2:10 For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it.

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