How do you tell the difference

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How do you tell the difference between a good god and a bad god that is lying about being a good god? Christians refer to the Bible to indicate that God is good. Why isn't the possibility that God is bad and telling us he is good in the bible plausible? How would you know?
 

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There is no difference......God creates good and evil. But good and evil only entered our perception after the Fall... Before, everything just, was.... Foregoing the desire to label and judge people and action starts our road back to perfection....
 
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There is no difference......God creates good and evil. But good and evil only entered our perception after the Fall... Before, everything just, was.... Foregoing the desire to label and judge people and action starts our road back to perfection....
So God is neither good or bad?
 
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How would you know?

God has provided us with enough evidence. If that wasn't enough, look to the cross. We choose to accept His definition of what is good and what is love. That's why we call it Faith. And our faith is not hopeless. He overcome the grave because it was impossible for Him to be held in its clutches because He is good. That's how we know. That's why we believe.
 
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You ask a logical question.

First off: God has been around a long enough time to get where He wants to go, so He is not growing one way or the other, so is either perfectly good or perfectly bad.

God has the power to be perfectly good or perfectly bad, so why be bad and not good or why be good and not bad?

It is a much greater challenge to be unselfish, than it is to be selfish, so greater praise would go to the unselfish. God should show the greatest worthiness of praise by being unselfish.

If God is as bad (totally selfish) as a being can get, then He should make bad praise worthy, yet we praise a good (a totally unselfish) God, which a bad God is not?

The way everything is and has been points shows an unselfish, sacrificial, Loving God wanting to help (provide charity) to all those willing to accept His help. Those who accept His help have the power to be perfectly good and become huge joyous Lovers, so why would a bad God want us to be happy as unselfish Lovers?
 
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God has provided us with enough evidence.
It is demonstrable false that he has since I do not believe.

If that wasn't enough, look to the cross. We choose to accept His definition of what is good and what is love. That's why we call it Faith. And our faith is not hopeless. He overcome the grave because it was impossible for Him to be held in its clutches because He is good. That's how we know. That's why we believe.
Where is the good evidence here for belief? How do you know Jesus was resurrected?
 
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Exactly..... God just.......Is.... He cannot be confined into any singular attribute.....the moment we do, He is no longer God.....just our image of a God.
So then He assigns what is good and bad. How does He determine what is good and bad?
 
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It is demonstrable false that he has since I do not believe.

Where is the good evidence here for belief? How do you know Jesus was resurrected?

Ultimately, every eye will see and every knee will bow down before Him one day. It's only a matter of whether you accept His gentle presence or wait until He appears in His very form which would kill all flesh and there is no time left to save one's soul.
 
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The way everything is and has been points shows an unselfish, sacrificial, Loving God wanting to help (provide charity) to all those willing to accept His help. Those who accept His help have the power to be perfectly good and become huge joyous Lovers, so why would a bad God want us to be happy as unselfish Lovers?
Why would a good God allow an Israelite to own another person as property and be able to be handed down as property without the persons consent? Why would a good god require a rapist to marry their victim without any say by the victim? Why would a good God punish future generations for the sins of the current generation? The bible shows God doing good and bad things not just loving and helping things.
 
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Ultimately, every eye will see and every knee will bow down before Him one day. It's only a matter of whether you accept His gentle presence or wait until He appears in His very form which would kill all flesh and there is no time left to save one's soul.
How do you know this is true?
 
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So then He assigns what is good and bad. How does He determine what is good and bad?
No, we assign the good and the bad. God loves both equally....it is man who loves the "good" and hate the "bad." God is not like Man. In reality....everything just........Is...
 
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How do you tell the difference between a good god and a bad god that is lying about being a good god? Christians refer to the Bible to indicate that God is good. Why isn't the possibility that God is bad and telling us he is good in the bible plausible? How would you know?

I notice atheists, in general, ignore that there is a devil and evil spirits. In fact, there seems to be no Satan for atheists, interesting......

Instead all evils on earth they put on God. This is not biblical at all. You can not argue against God and ignore Satan and his hordes. They are a big part of the equation.

To know the difference would be understanding more about Satan and his hordes and how they operate. God does not author evil. He is good.

[Psa 25:8 NIV] 8 Good and upright is the LORD; therefore he instructs sinners in his ways.

The world and all that goes on are very complicated. There are many, many layers that we don't see nor understand. The Lord doesn't do evil, but that doesn't mean he can't utilize evil spirits against evildoers. He can give them permission even against good people as he did with Job. [Job 1:6-22]

We also get a glimpse of this here.

[The wholes story is 1Ki 22:1-40 KJV]

[1Ki 22:19-23, 34-35 KJV] 19 And he said, Hear thou therefore the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left. 20 And the LORD said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner. 21 And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him. 22 And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade [him], and prevail also: go forth, and do so. 23 Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.
... 34 And a [certain] man drew a bow at a venture, and smote the king of Israel between the joints of the harness: wherefore he said unto the driver of his chariot, Turn thine hand, and carry me out of the host; for I am wounded. 35 And the battle increased that day: and the king was stayed up in his chariot against the Syrians, and died at even: and the blood ran out of the wound into the midst of the chariot.

Most Bible stories and situations don't give you the "behind the scenes" of what's really going on. God is active for the good of all. Yet evil people bring evil on themselves.

It was the false prophets who were "prophesying" lies, which in turn took Ahab to his demise. Do you see the evil spirits in their mouths, of course not? The same way we don't see how active evil is in the world.

When we do not understand the intricacies of what is going on and the depravity of the human heart, it's easy to take cheap shots at God for any and every situation. He has nothing to hide or such verses that atheists use against him, he could have omitted from being in the Bible.

[Jer 17:9 NIV] 9 The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it?

Jesus said, [Jhn 10:10 NIV] 10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.

[1Pe 5:8 NIV] 8 Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.

We can see this clearly unless of course you still follow him.

[Eph 2:2 NIV] in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient.

[2Co 4:4 KJV] 4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

(...remember the song, To Hell With The Devil?)
 
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How do you tell the difference between a good god and a bad god that is lying about being a good god? Christians refer to the Bible to indicate that God is good. Why isn't the possibility that God is bad and telling us he is good in the bible plausible? How would you know?

How does anyone determine what is ' good ' or ' bad ' behaviour?

Please supply the reasoning for your moral standards and explain how they are different from the standards set out by the Christian God.
 
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How do you tell the difference between a good god and a bad god that is lying about being a good god? Christians refer to the Bible to indicate that God is good. Why isn't the possibility that God is bad and telling us he is good in the bible plausible? How would you know?
Jesus is God, does Jesus seem bad to you?
 
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