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Many people who have been of OSAS have felt, "what does it matter if I'm sin, I'm going to Heaven anyway and nothing can change that".
Nature abhors a vacuum. So if you leave vacuums in your mental, emotional, and spiritual life, you can be sure that Satan and his evil spirits will try to fill those vacuums. If you are preoccupied with (1) prayer, (2) the study of God's Word, (3) worship, (4) ministering to others, and (5) focusing on the needs of others, you will have neither time nor energy for evil deeds. Also, birds of a feather flock together, so if you have friends and people who are pulling you into the world, find spiritual Christian friends who love God and Christ, and are busy serving. The Kingdom of God should be your first priority, which means bringing souls to Christ and helping them to grow.I want to be clean, I want to be without sin.. I like the feeling I get right after prayer, It's like a clean pure feeling, But it does not last, Sooner or later temptation happens.
It is true some on the internet believe they have reached a state of sinless perfection. Thankfully I have never heard such a thing from any minister or christian outside of it.It is possible to have the same mind that is in Christ and there is no sin hatched within that mind.
Philippians 2:5K (KJV)
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
The Holy Spirit leads into a transformation and renewal of the mind but the old mind must go.
Romans 12:2
Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is--his good, pleasing and perfect will.
They triumphed over him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony; they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death.
A friend visited and after some conversation he said if we prayed now the Holy Spirit may bless us.
He left the room and I prayed while he was gone. When he returned we began talking and the Spirit began to strongly appear but realizing what was happening he jumped up and said that he could not stay, he could not do this and had work tomorrow and then went to his car and drove off. He forgot his wallet and jacket and because he lived some distance away I had to chase him in my car.
I was visiting some people in a distant town and after much to and fro of discussion the husband played a reel to reel tape recorded in the early 1970's of a lady singing from Isiah. He put the tape on and then left the room. The Spirit entered me that strongly that it weakened me and I slipped out of the chair that was being sat on. A peacefulness and gentleness stayed for several hours.
Many things could be related and it is not boasting but a testimony. But even deeper is the renewal of the mind. It is active and dynamic not just empty words that are interpreted. Your interpretation represents only one of many and you have narrowed your viewpoint as well.
There are many scriptures indicating something better you are being selective in a negative way and you will not achieve much. Think in a positive manner and don't look back from where you have come from within the mind. All going well and if you pray for such the Spirit will lead into a blessing. A person must believe God is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him. This is forward movement.
John 6:5 "For My flesh is true food, and My blood is true drink. 56"He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him. 57"As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats Me, he also will live because of Me.…
Luke 14:26
"If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters--yes, even their own life--such a person cannot be my disciple.
It is true some on the internet believe they have reached a state of sinless perfection. Thankfully I have never heard such a thing from any minister or christian outside of it.
It is not a case of with my view nothing much will be achieved. Rather honesty and humility are preferable. God doesn't want people proclaiming to others they have reached a state they have not reached. The Pharisees of Jesus day were guilty of that. They crushed the people with their demands, demands they had not themselves attained to in their own lives. I was raised I a church where that attitude was prevelant, it was awful, and crushed many.
It is true some on the internet believe they have reached a state of sinless perfection. Thankfully I have never heard such a thing from any minister or christian outside of it.
It is not a case of with my view nothing much will be achieved. Rather honesty and humility are preferable. God doesn't want people proclaiming to others they have reached a state they have not reached. The Pharisees of Jesus day were guilty of that. They crushed the people with their demands, demands they had not themselves attained to in their own lives. I was raised I a church where that attitude was prevelant, it was awful, and crushed many.
Absolutely, I was damaged as a child. When I was ten I moved with my parents to a different church. At first I thought I had arrived as it were. The minister was well known, the church believed in the gifts of the spirit for today and was the biggest protestant church our side of London.When I interacted with Christians, especially some strong willed pastors they seemed to try to place a curse on me that dragged me back into my self. After arriving home from a meeting one time my wife said that my whole conversation had become defeatist and in a continual state of loss of confidence.
I believe what has happened to you is similar. A whole series of events produced a situation that took a decade to shake off and recover from, prayer didn't work, the life had been taken out of me.
I had let my guard down and full armor of God.
In my self there is no way available to be sinless and perfect. The pattern of mind can not be found.
People are able to get into my mind and mess me up.
At 26 in a supernatural experience my mind was opened up to know that God exists. God is immediately making everything appear all the time. We actually live and move in God. What is seen is God's covering.
My mind was shown a comparison to the mind of an immortal and how my own mind did not measure up and how it missed the mark, so to speak. The realization occurred of exactly what Jesus had achieved. And it was shown in my mind and also a little beyond and deeper than it.
To Know God as he requests one must know where God is. God is in a mind a little deeper and just beyond the mind that is usually thought from. The place that the human mind thinks from falls short and is encumbered with attachments on the personality from a life time of often bad (evil) experience, but sometimes good.
Is the mind in the head only or is there some remote connection between individuals.
The mind that Jesus thinks from can supernaturally be revealed because it is active all the time.
But the old mind has to be let go.
You are indicating that you are carrying some damage from life experience in a church.
Only one person who has lived on earth I a body of flesh was sinless- Christ. To put oneself as equal to Christ in this regard is delusional at best.The problem here is that you are determined that what you say is correct and in that, this could hold others back from a blessing. Others need to know what is possible even if it displaces the authority that you claim.
I want to be clean, I want to be without sin.. I like the feeling I get right after prayer, It's like a clean pure feeling, But it does not last, Sooner or later temptation happens..
My sins and desires offend me, And even though I try to resist, it's not so simple, The flesh is wicked and it desires what it does. Is there a way to make temptation go away and never come back. I dislike my temptations, I want them to stop completely, forever..There is no need to go into detail. And lest I be judged, No man is without sin. But, I am offended by my wickedness, it pulls at me like a chain coming straight from hell. To know the love of God, And then to feel the pull of Satan,, It's unfair, God deserves better then me, And I want to do better. But the devil knows my weakness.. And I am weak. How can someone make temptation stop? It's like a sickness that does not go away..
A never ending battle, And I just want peace,...Please note, I am not insane, I am just very spiritual,, I promise, My sins are not that different from any other male,, most likely..
But its not fair that Satan gets to try, over and over and over again,, it's like I am a stone and he is a stone cutter.. He picks at me until I am weak. And I fall to temptation..
It's not fair... I want it to stop...
I may be able to help, but it would need to be a private conversation, and it might involve questions that require personal answers. I'd prefer not to message you privately without your permission. If you'd care to talk, message me. I'm even willing to chat on the phone if you like.I want to be clean, I want to be without sin.. I like the feeling I get right after prayer, It's like a clean pure feeling, But it does not last, Sooner or later temptation happens..
My sins and desires offend me, And even though I try to resist, it's not so simple, The flesh is wicked and it desires what it does. Is there a way to make temptation go away and never come back. I dislike my temptations, I want them to stop completely, forever..There is no need to go into detail. And lest I be judged, No man is without sin. But, I am offended by my wickedness, it pulls at me like a chain coming straight from hell. To know the love of God, And then to feel the pull of Satan,, It's unfair, God deserves better then me, And I want to do better. But the devil knows my weakness.. And I am weak. How can someone make temptation stop? It's like a sickness that does not go away..
A never ending battle, And I just want peace,...Please note, I am not insane, I am just very spiritual,, I promise, My sins are not that different from any other male,, most likely..
But its not fair that Satan gets to try, over and over and over again,, it's like I am a stone and he is a stone cutter.. He picks at me until I am weak. And I fall to temptation..
It's not fair... I want it to stop...
Only one person who has lived on earth I a body of flesh was sinless- Christ. To put oneself as equal to Christ in this regard is delusional at best.
The idea any human can perfectly without slip obey the entire law of God 24/7 and therefore be perfectly sinless is not an idea to be seriously considered.
If in your view that means i am holding others back sobeit.
I see it as showing love to others by not trying to crush them with impossible demands.
John tells us if we claim to be without sin the truth is not in us. You can manipulate, juggle those words to say anything you want to if you wish, people do it all the time. But they remain the truth.
If a person claims to be without sin they are deceived and the truth is not in them
I think I have a better understanding of that than you do.You are not understanding what Jesus has done for His brothers and sisters.
Absolutely, I was damaged as a child. When I was ten I moved with my parents to a different church. At first I thought I had arrived as it were. The minister was well known, the church believed in the gifts of the spirit for today and was the biggest protestant church our side of London.
I responded to an altar call and became a Christian.
The stalwarts of the church gave the appearance of being sinless, perfect in the flesh on Sundays. They dressed immaculately, the women with expensive hats. After the service I received Godly handshakes, a Godly smile, and the relevant scripture verse if it was felt neccessary. I actually thought the married couples must spend no more than a minute having sex as they would consider it an impure, disdainful act and one only done to produce children. I became heavy, discouraged, worn out with my faliure to live a perfectly sinless life as I believed the church folk did. What was wrong with me? Why couldn't I be perfectly pure and sinless as they appeared to be. The sin in my life grew stronger, I became consumed by lust. I felt dirty, rotten and useless. If only I had at that age read Paul's letters I would have known why what was happening to me happened, but I hadn't.
Eventually I left the church, not being prepared to live a life of hypocrisy by turning up at church each week and acting as the stalwarts of the church acted, while knowing on the inside I was full of everything unclean.
Fortunately for me, a few years later God brought me to see the truth of grace. Once I knew that, the sin started to lessen in me.
A woman on another website said the two denominations that find it hardest to accept biblical grace are pentecostals and Catholics. It wouldn't surprise me if the op was raised in one of those churches. He is in exactly the same place I once was.
However you try and juggle it, from reading your posts it comes across as:
You get what you earn, you get what you deserve from God. Strive hard to obey and you can become sinless as I am
The phariseeical mindset is as alive and well today as it was 2,000 years ago. It brings tears to my eyes when I think of those, as I once was who allow themselves in naivety to believe that message, and become crushed by it.
If we love our neighbour we do not pretend to be something we are not and crush him. That is not love, but seeking the praise and admiration of man
I think I have a better understanding of that than you do.
Paul continuously states the christian has a righteousness before God apart from observing the law/ works of the law rom3:19-22, rom10:4, gal2:21 etc
Sin is transgression of the law 1john 3:4
Therefore if you observe the law you do not sin, when you fail to observe the law you commit sin
If the christian has a rightousness before God apart from the law/ apart from observing the law. They must have a righteousness before God irrespective of sin in their life. The christians rightstanding before God does not hinge on their sin.
If you disagree, you must fail to understand Paul's message of grace
That doesn't address the postIt is better to Know God than to rely on own understanding.
It is better to Know God than to rely on own understanding.
It is a biblical fact that if you have a righteousness before God apart from observing the law, you have a righteousness before God apart from your sin.It is better to Know God than to rely on own understanding.
All I am doing is relating an experience and it is not an understanding it is what actually occurred.Everything you've been posting is "your understanding." Is it wise to criticize those who do the very same thing you're doing?
Selah.
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