How do you plan to escape HELL???

[cantata]

This argument is profoundly depressing.

Also, for the love of all that is good and beautiful in the world, 'error' is not a verb, so whether or not the Holy Spirit 'errors', and whether or not the Bible is 'errored', is a moot point.

 

[ArchaicTruth]

would "to err" be correct?

 

[Eudaimonist]

would "to err" be correct?

Yes.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[cantata]

would "to err" be correct?

Yes, or "to make errors" or "to be in error".

 

[dlamberth]

What about the additions we read in today's Bible that were not in the earliest manuscripts that we have. After the original text were pinned, did the Holy Spirit suddenly realize it forgot something while working with the original writers and so years later caused some unknown person to add more text? Is the additions of these text an admission by the Holy Spirit that the first drafts were in error, so corrections were needed?

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[Maren]

well aren't you the self righteous one. Are you the sole arbitror of interperatation now ?

My irony meter just exploded!

 

[Soul Searcher]

That means, for someone who knows about Jesus Christ, and still rejects him, sins.. Or someone who is able to give to the poor, and dosen't..

Its knowing what good is, and still not doing it.. It has nothing to do with another person.. Horrible interperatation..

Actually I would think it is the correct interpretation. It says he that knows to do good and doeth it not to him it is a sin. What then of him that knows not? There is another verse that says he that knows the will of the master and doeth it not will be beaten with many stripes but he who knoweth not the will of the master even though deserving of many stripes shall receive but a few. There is a clear distinction.

well aren't you the self righteous one. Are you the sole arbitror of interperatation now ? But wait, you say the bible is errored, so how can you trust your interperatation??

Nonsense. I was refering to the statements made in the previous post which you were argueing with. Namely that the bible was written by men not God and that the bible(s) have errors within them. These are facts, they are 100% true and no amount of hand waving nor name calling will change that. It is not an interpretation, has nothing to do with anyone being self righteous just stating the facts.

hmm.. By your interperatation sin dosen't apply to some people, which makes not everyone equal in Gods eyes. You have a big problem in your hands with that..

Wrong again. Some things that would be a sin to one will not apply to others this woudl seem to be the case. However Christain doctorine often implies that believers are exempt from sin so it is actually you who say that it doesn't apply to some withotu directly saying it. I believe that everyman will be judged and judged fairly.

You wonder if I know what sin is??

Yes you seem to take the black and white letter of the law view which is often wrong. This view is the one that condemned Jesus for healing on the sabbath. By the letter of the law he was in violation but in spirit he was right and not doign what they saw as a sin would have been a sin because he knew to do good and he did it even though the letter of the law said he must not. It seems most black and white views have trouble with understanding this.

Secondly it is a sin to tell a lie, even if it results in the death of someone.

Wrong, to tell a lie out of malice, pride or to cause harm is wrong for sure, but there are times when failure to do so would be just as wrong. One must look at the big picture not a few words in a literal sense.

Doing evil for the greater good is what has caused nearly all the wars in this world..

To misslead someone to save another is not evil and has nothing to do with causing wars though it may prevent some if used properly.

I suggest you read up on Mental Reservation and Strict mental Reservation. A person telling a lie without the intention of lying in itself is called mental reservation.

Is this a term came up with by the church to excuse lying?

So a Catholic lying to a Nazi in order to save a Jew would be a mental reservation, not a true lie in itself, and thus is not a sin.

Really? So a Catholic knows where a Jew is at and the Nazi asks "where is he" The Catholic then says he is somewhere he knows he is not in order to save the Jew. You say this is not really a lie. You are wrong it is a lie, but you are right in that it would not be a sin. Of course it would not matter if it was a Catholic Jew or Nazi it applies to all humans.

It shows that there is qualifications to the words that he utters(and when there are qualifications it nullifys the lie because of the outer reasons)..

In order to lie you have to have FULL intention of lying. Just as when you marry someone, you have to have full intention of marrying them. If you marry someone because your mother forces you or some other reason, it isn't a true marriage because of mental reservation..

In your example above it is clear that the Catholic knew they were tellign a lie and did so with full intention yet you say it is not a sin, you say there are qualifications but your example doesn't even stand up to your gray area created by your mental reservation clause which btw is not in the bible.

I think you understand that there is indeed many shades of gray here but for some reason you would rather argue that there is none. It does make it simplier to condemn others when you taje such a strict literal view but it will always place you squarely in the wrong.

 

[Vene]

I'm going to assume that this was innocently missed and not deliberately ignored for now. But I would still like a response.

If you believe in things like divorce and gay marriage, well, then you are not following Jesus's teachings that "whosoever divorces his wife and marrys another commits adultry".. Im sorry, but the holy spirit does not error. And it shows you have doubt towards God through his scripture and his apostles.

What in the name of your God does this have to do with same sex marriage? Last time I checked Jesus was mute on the subject of homosexuality.

 

[levi501]

Seeing as all sin is God's fault, I always find it fascinating for those that believe in eternal punishment in the after-life.

Oh, that's right... it's all about freewill!

Yah, I had a choice in the environment I grew up in, the people who taught me morals, my role models, my exposure to christianity, whether I was loved, whether I was encouraged. Yah, it was all under my control.

How do rational thinking people (and yes that excludes many posters in this thread) reconcile a fair loving God with the concept of hell.
It's real easy to ignore the OP since the God described contradicts himself out of existence.

 

[beechy]

Sin is what serperates someone from God. The 10 commandments are guides to our sins for us, as well as doctrine, the apostles, the 7 deadly sins, and the 4 sins that cry out to God..There are very clear sins that are layed out in the bible. Jesus said not one jot or tittle of the Law will pass away even if earth and heaven passes away..Jesus fullfilled the law by saving us from the death of the law, but the law still exists and applys to us all. The law condemns us, Christ forgives us..[/quote]How about this law? Even if you think it only ever applied to the Israelites, do you think modern Israelites should follow it?:

If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, 24 you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the girl because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man's wife. You must purge the evil from among you. (Deut 22:23).

 

[cantata]

How about this law? Even if you think it only ever applied to the Israelites, do you think modern Israelites should follow it?:

If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, 24 you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the girl because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man's wife. You must purge the evil from among you. (Deut 22:23).

You know, when I read something like this, and then I hear people say that the Bible is the inerrant Word of God, I worry that my head is about to explode with the bizarreness of the whole thing.

 

[KCDAD]

Woe, woe, woe! Slow your roll, Mel.

I am not spouting 'Hate Filled Rhetoric". I am giving 100% doctrinally correct posts.

You can not escape hell, if you are thrown into it. Don't get thrown into hell in the first place: and you won't have to worry about it. Right?

There is no hate here. Come on! You're better than that.

Why can't you? Jesus did? Daniel walked out of the lion's den and the three boys walked out of the firey furnace (Meshack, Shadrack and Abendigo)... wha's the big deal about hell? I will be just a spirit, no walls can hold a spirit.

 

[StarCannon]

wellsaid KCDad
Indeed, if I am spirit then no walls will hold me and i will beyond the reach of the Hell. Mwahhahahahaha!

 

[KCDAD]

ShieldOFaith;42545011 pedophile or not (he was, but that doesn't matter as far as salvation is concerned.),

You are so doggone uninformed it is really scary... it ought to scare you, too.

A pedophile is an adult who is sexually attracted to pre-pubescent children.

Gandhi was 13 when he married his 13 year old wife. That is a cultural thing, not a pedophile thing.

Anyone who knows so little about everything shouldn't be preaching anything. It makes you look foolish.

Gandhi made the observation back in the 40s that a great risk to our culture was religion without sacrifice... what are you sacrificing?

 

[uberd00b]

Gandhi made the observation back in the 40s that a great risk to our culture was religion without sacrifice... what are you sacrificing?

Reputation? Morality? Common decency?

*snirk snirk*

 

[Nithavela]

Time.

I don't think I'll try to escape from hell. It will be cool, every interesting person in worlds history will be there. As hell is, afaik only the absence of the presence of God, and I'm fine with that. It won't be any different, only with worse air conditioning, but I can make do with that.

 

[Aeris]

Sheild of Faith: Telling people if they dont believe in your religion they are going to hell is not going to work, if it does then they dont truely believe it and are only pretending to just in case your right, we do not choose what to believe, i cannot believe in a god that sends good people to be tortured forever just because they dont believe in him, i cannot believe in a god that sends babies to hell (or someplace other than heaven) just because they were born with orginal sin and were not able to accept jesus because they were too young to understand, its not that im choosing not to, but to say i believe in your religion would be lying.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=1VbMAwN0u7I

 

[Fremdin]

I plan on escaping by hiding in the laundry cart as it goes to the cleaners, or by digging with a spoon. Yes, I'll have to dig up but I will have all the time in the world

 

[KCDAD]

I plan on escaping by hiding in the laundry cart as it goes to the cleaners, or by digging with a spoon. Yes, I'll have to dig up but I will have all the time in the world

They don't do laundry in hell, silly. That is what makes it so terrible... and eternity of body odor... er I mean Spirit Odor and our spiritual clothes getting all nasty and repulsive... our spiritual noses won't be able to stand it and our our spiritual stomachs will be retching and heaving for all of eternity... we will probably get cramps in our spiritual abdomens, and have spiritual lower back problems, too, from it.

... so I would go with the spoon plan. Keep in mind all their spoons will be slotted... it will take longer, but as you pointed out... what's the rush? You got all the time in the world... it's not like you are going to die again anytime soon.

 

[elman]

=levi501;42889016]Seeing as all sin is God's fault, .[/QUOTE]
Sin is a choice. It is the wrong choice. So if there is no ability to chose, there is no sin. Therefore all sin and actually no sin is God's fault.