How do you know...

[Caty]

...if you have commited the unforgivable sin??? I'm tyring to think if I've ever spoke against God or Jesus, I can't remember but I have a really bad memory. So how would I know???? This is making me really anxious.

 

[keryakos]

if u have truly trusted christ then it is impossibnle that you have commited it ..because the Holy Spirit draws you convicts you regenerates and gives you the faith to believe .

 

[Caty]

I don't know if i have ever truly trusted Christ, with my OCD I'm always scared and afraid to read the Bible, I'm only 16 and I've felt that way for as long as I can remember. I'm truly begining to think that I don't have any hope, people say if you worry then you haven't done it, but isn't that just something from man, I don't think it ever says anything like that in the Bible. I've done and thought terrible things, I know I need Jesus, I just wish I could know I have him.

 

[keryakos]

I don't know if i have ever truly trusted Christ, with my OCD I'm always scared and afraid to read the Bible, I'm only 16 and I've felt that way for as long as I can remember. I'm truly begining to think that I don't have any hope, people say if you worry then you haven't done it, but isn't that just something from man, I don't think it ever says anything like that in the Bible. I've done and thought terrible things, I know I need Jesus, I just wish I could know I have him.

Caty if you are worried then you haven't done is not written in the bible this is true but it is a logical deduction from the Bibles teaching ..not an interpretation but a logical deduction ..The deduction come from two different ideas which are both very true and are evident ..First .if one comes to Christ or desires to they cannot have done it because the one who has is still an enemy of God ..they will not come ..Secondly a person who has done it has a heart that is set against the things of God and will not worry or fear God ..Nor ever entertain the love of his grace in their hearts ..
I struggle with this too Caty ..but my advice to you is this ..
Reach out to Jesus now Because he is reaching out to you ..
If you know you need the savior then the savior says Come .

 

[Caty]

I didn’t even know what the word blasphemy was until December & I read somewhere that you have to know what it is & you wouldn’t care that you are doing it. I started having the blasphemous thoughts again so I looked up what they were and I found out about blasphemy & it scared me to death until I found this site and understood that it’s OCD. (I have dealt with the lock checking and hand washing, fear of contamination, fear of things I say to people, fear of leaving electrical things on when I leave the house, counting things and rearranging them, etc&#8230 So from about December on I have been on high alert with everything I do because of my OCD, so I think that if I would have said something then I would remember it. At least I would hope so. But before then I didn’t care about living a Christian life, if someone would have told me that I was insulting God and stuff, I probably wouldn’t have done some of the things I did, but I just didn’t put things together. I always believed in Jesus, but I didn’t follow Christian ways. I just never thought about it. So I hope then I never said or did anything unforgivable, I have the WORST memory of anyone I know. So I hope that I’m okay, just nothing that I read gives me any comfort. I don’t know if I’ve said anything that would be considered blasphemy before December, I’ve been trying to come to God but It just seems like I can’t. Is this proof I’m unforgivable??? I really want to come to God, really, really bad. I worry I may just be a terrible sinner who is trying to escape punishment. But I think that if I would have said something that bad against God I would remember, don't you all??????

 

[Caty]

I've also heard people say that someone cannot come to Jesus unless the Holy Spirit calls you to, & if you have commited the unpardonable sin then the Spirit wouldn't convict you. Is there any biblical support for that?? I've also read that you cannot commit it unless you have a vast knowledge of God & the Bible & stuff. I've just started learning about all this so does that make a difference if I had said something in the past??? I'm SO CONFUSED. I need help. Can anyone help me with this?

 

[keryakos]

I've also heard people say that someone cannot come to Jesus unless the Holy Spirit calls you to, & if you have commited the unpardonable sin then the Spirit wouldn't convict you. Is there any biblical support for that?? I've also read that you cannot commit it unless you have a vast knowledge of God & the Bible & stuff. I've just started learning about all this so does that make a difference if I had said something in the past??? I'm SO CONFUSED. I need help. Can anyone help me with this?

Caty the first answer is yes ,,there are a number of scriptures that teach that is true ..If i can find them tomorow ill post them .

in the mean time i know of a sermon that might help you . Jesus and the Unpardonable Sin Sermon Audio ..you can listen for free ..I have listened to it and i promise it won't scare you ..The Pastor is George Macaskill .hes in Scotland and i have emailed him in the past hes an awesome guy ..http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=1120472146

 

[kaykay9.0]

Caty if you are worried then you haven't done is not written in the bible this is true but it is a logical deduction from the Bibles teaching ..not an interpretation but a logical deduction ..The deduction come from two different ideas which are both very true and are evident ..First .if one comes to Christ or desires to they cannot have done it because the one who has is still an enemy of God ..they will not come ..Secondly a person who has done it has a heart that is set against the things of God and will not worry or fear God ..Nor ever entertain the love of his grace in their hearts ..
I struggle with this too Caty ..but my advice to you is this ..
Reach out to Jesus now Because he is reaching out to you ..
If you know you need the savior then the savior says Come .

Very good post. Please listen to him here, Caty. Your fears are groundless. OCD, however, will always have some convoluted reason as to why maybe you should be worried. If you knock down one fear, often another will replace it. The fact of the matter, though, is just what keryakos has posted here. Again, try to believe this. The Bible really does support the notion that if you still have the desire to come to God, you have not committed the unpardonable sin.

 

[Caty]

okay i'm not tyring ot argue but the Bible says that ALL sin are forgiven and ALL blasphemies however they shall blasphemie (something on those lines) but this one about the Holy Spirit. So why are people making different assuptions, the Bible clearly states of an unforgivable sin, i don't see the contradiction. so many people have so many different view of this, why do people pick this verse apart so much. I'll listen to that sermon, thank you all for trying to help me.

 

[Caty]

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[Caty]

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[keryakos]

okay i'm not tyring ot argue but the Bible says that ALL sin are forgiven and ALL blasphemies however they shall blasphemie (something on those lines) but this one about the Holy Spirit. So why are people making different assuptions, the Bible clearly states of an unforgivable sin, i don't see the contradiction. so many people have so many different view of this, why do people pick this verse apart so much. I'll listen to that sermon, thank you all for trying to help me.

Caty the reason is is that the concept is extremely difficult to understand and in human terms it seems totally contradictory to what we are taught about the grace of God . If you take that one passage ALONE without any further understanding or interpretation from other scripture then what you are left with is this ..

All Atheists who have at one time said ..i don't believe that the Holy Spirit is real have committed the unpardonable sin ..because to deny his existence is blasphemy ..

All Christians who in anger say something bad about the Holy Ghost in a fit of rage are damned as well because if you only have that scripture alone .then you have a Whosoever clause ..so it would have to include Christians as well.

And the list goes on ...Any joke regarding the holy ghost would be unforgivable ect ect ..

Also Caty Jesus said that if you do not forgive others then you won't be forgiven yet he also said that unforgiveness would be forgiven ..well it seems like a contradiction but its not .

That is why it is so important to never take one scripture alone or listen to pastors or anyone who dont know how to rightfully divide the word of god

 

[kaykay9.0]

That is why it is so important to never take one scripture alone or listen to pastors or anyone who dont know how to rightfully divide the word of god

This is it, right here. You are so right, keryakos. That's where a lot of people get into trouble with their interpretations, by not considering the WHOLE word of God.

 

[Caty]

When I first had the blasphemous thoughts I was deep into sin; so when I looked them up I realized I needed God in my life. So now I worry about, if I really love God? Because I’ve been so scared of him for as long as I remember, I’ve never gotten to know God for who he is. So after my fears were put to rest that I had committed the unforgivable sin and didn’t remember it (thanks for the audio sermon keryakos) I laid down to go to sleep last night and I think I was kinda in and out of sleep because I was also thinking about something to do with rabbits, but the thought came into my mind, a terrible thought about the Holy Spirit. I immediately detested the thought, but it’s bothering me now, because I fear if I don’t love God then my heart is hardened. How do you know that the thoughts are not from you but your OCD. If I could get past that I could probably move on, they would still bother me but I could realize that I’m forgiven. How did you all know these thoughts were not from you. I have cried all day today, because I feel so certain that I'm hopeless.

 

[Caty]

This is it, right here. You are so right, keryakos. That's where a lot of people get into trouble with their interpretations, by not considering the WHOLE word of God.

But how do i know who to trust, with the correct interpretation?? So many things could be right. Some people say that it is saying that terrible thing about Jesus's Spriit, but if a person regrets saying somethign like that then couldn't they be forgiven?? What about people who say that it is continued rejection, wouldn't Jesus have said that?? See I have read SO many things, SO SO many different opinions, I'm lost as to what to believe. How do I now for sure that my thoughts haven't condemmed me forever?

 

[kaykay9.0]

When I first had the blasphemous thoughts I was deep into sin; so when I looked them up I realized I needed God in my life. So now I worry about, if I really love God? Because I’ve been so scared of him for as long as I remember, I’ve never gotten to know God for who he is. So after my fears were put to rest that I had committed the unforgivable sin and didn’t remember it (thanks for the audio sermon keryakos) I laid down to go to sleep last night and I think I was kinda in and out of sleep because I was also thinking about something to do with rabbits, but the thought came into my mind, a terrible thought about the Holy Spirit. I immediately detested the thought, but it’s bothering me now, because I fear if I don’t love God then my heart is hardened. How do you know that the thoughts are not from you but your OCD. If I could get past that I could probably move on, they would still bother me but I could realize that I’m forgiven. How did you all know these thoughts were not from you. I have cried all day today, because I feel so certain that I'm hopeless.

I think you can know that these thoughts are not from you because quite simply you don't want to have them. You agonize over them. Many of us on this forum have been through this. You are not hopeless, Caty. Any number of thoughts can come into our minds. That's not the issue here . These thoughts are not intentional. I think it's just a matter of fear and your current obsession with this based on your fears. And all of this is very common. Praying for you~

But how do i know who to trust, with the correct interpretation?? So many things could be right. Some people say that it is saying that terrible thing about Jesus's Spriit, but if a person regrets saying somethign like that then couldn't they be forgiven?? What about people who say that it is continued rejection, wouldn't Jesus have said that?? See I have read SO many things, SO SO many different opinions, I'm lost as to what to believe. How do I now for sure that my thoughts haven't condemmed me forever?

Yes, there are some varying opinions on exactly what this entails. This is why I think you need to factor in what the rest of scripture has to say about sin and forgiveness. For example, 1John 1:9 says that if we confess our sins, then we have forgiveness and cleansing. Other scriptures say "whosover believes has eternal life." It doesn't make some exception clause as to whether you've ever done a certain sin or not. I think this is why that no matter what a pastor or theologians individual interpretation, they almost all get back, at the end of the day, to the" rule of thumb" we mentioned early that if you are still desiring to turn to God, you CAN. Jesus also said in the book of John that the person that comes to him, He would not cast out.

 

[Caty]

The thoughts are so real though, that's why I feel they are from me. People say if you love God you have nothing to worry about, but I'm scared that I don't love God, because when I try to get any close to him, I feel to horrible too. I don't know God for the loving person people describe because I'm scared all of the time. I was checking out at a store today and was thinking about the woman at the check counter because she was so nice, and I thought a terrible thing about the Holy Spirit, on the lines of what the Pharasiess said. (I don't like to type it--but you all know what the phrase is). I've been SO bad today, I can't eat or sleep, I've cried over everything. Because of the thought last night too. I'm also afraid to go to the doctor for it because a doctor cannot save my soul, I feel liike I'm wasting time. Is the ANY proof that If you feel terrible about it, then you have not committed it? Anything? Because I know the scripture about Jesus, when he said he will in no wise cast out anyone who comes to him. So if I'm coming to him the he WILL NOT cast me out?? But the verse about the unforgivable sin, says WHOSOEVER speaks a word against. I've never spoken a word against, but I've had the terrible thoughts. What if they are from anger, what if I'm having them because I'm angry at God???

 

[kaykay9.0]

The thoughts are so real though, that's why I feel they are from me. People say if you love God you have nothing to worry about, but I'm scared that I don't love God, because when I try to get any close to him, I feel to horrible too. I don't know God for the loving person people describe because I'm scared all of the time. I was checking out at a store today and was thinking about the woman at the check counter because she was so nice, and I thought a terrible thing about the Holy Spirit, on the lines of what the Pharasiess said. (I don't like to type it--but you all know what the phrase is). I've been SO bad today, I can't eat or sleep, I've cried over everything. Because of the thought last night too. I'm also afraid to go to the doctor for it because a doctor cannot save my soul, I feel liike I'm wasting time. Is the ANY proof that If you feel terrible about it, then you have not committed it? Anything? Because I know the scripture about Jesus, when he said he will in no wise cast out anyone who comes to him. So if I'm coming to him the he WILL NOT cast me out?? But the verse about the unforgivable sin, says WHOSOEVER speaks a word against. I've never spoken a word against, but I've had the terrible thoughts. What if they are from anger, what if I'm having them because I'm angry at God???

Well, Caty, we are not suppose to "diagnose" on this forum, but I will tell you that you just very well may be struggling with OCD. OCD demands 100% surety in something and in matters of faith, we don't usually have that. That's why it IS faith.

I can just tell you that what you are experiencing is very common if you do have OCD. That is why you should see a doctor and preferably a psychiatrist about it. I know it seems to you like this is a spiritual issue, not a medical one, but I can only tell you too that is how OCD makes these things seem.

I went through a period in my own life and I can only tell you, however, (I can't prove it,) that as time went on, it became very obvious to me that God had NOT rejected me because of my thoughts or anything else that I feared. It was just OCD reasonings. People torment themselves needlessly over this kind of stuff.

 

[Caty]

I know I have OCD, even though I haven't been officially diagnosed. I've went throught the lock checking, fear of contamination, needless worrying over things i've said to people, hopeing the took it the way i mean't it, etc. But I just can't seem to find peace with anything about God & that scares me SO bad. I want to tell my mom & I want to get medical help but I'm afraid they will diagnosis me wrong. I don't know what to do anymore. Cause i don't know what to believe even about myself...

 

[kaykay9.0]

I know I have OCD, even though I haven't been officially diagnosed. I've went throught the lock checking, fear of contamination, needless worrying over things i've said to people, hopeing the took it the way i mean't it, etc. But I just can't seem to find peace with anything about God & that scares me SO bad. I want to tell my mom & I want to get medical help but I'm afraid they will diagnosis me wrong. I don't know what to do anymore. Cause i don't know what to believe even about myself...

Yeah, I definitely see what you are saying. I agree with you. The signs are definitely there. You kinda just have to take the risk though and seek medical help. I think most drs, especially a psychiatrist would recognize this especially if you share the past behaviors of lock checking, contamination fears etc. And if by chance they didn't you should keep seeking.

I had some of the classic OCD signs as a child. When I got older, it turned to OCD fears about God. ( According to my counselor, this is almost universal with people who battle OCD.) It is hard to find peace with God when you battle OCD. Right now, aside from urging you to seek some help, I would also just encourage you when you start having a fear or obsession to remember that you are likely viewing it through the distortion of OCD. Doesn't take away the fear entirely just to know that, but I think it can help if you keep it in perspective that way.