How do you know? Were you there?

[Nostromo]

Says God. He said we are to train up a child in the way he should go, not whack em.

What does Romans 13 mean to you?

 

[dad]

What does Romans 13 mean to you?

I'd have to look it up, why? Is there some trick to it??

 

[Nostromo]

If you don't know, what's stopping you guys from at least hypothesizing it was created?

I don't know, and what's stopping me from hypothesising is that
1) a 'formal' (for want of a better word) hypothesis is based on previous observations, which I obviously don't have.
2) any informal hypothesis (guess) is about as useful as any other i.e. not at all.
3) I don't see any other indication of a creator.

 

[AV1611VET]

I don't know, and what's stopping me from hypothesising is that
1) a 'formal' (for want of a better word) hypothesis is based on previous observations, which I obviously don't have.
2) any informal hypothesis (guess) is about as useful as any other i.e. not at all.
3) I don't see any other indication of a creator.

Oh, well -- as you said, you don't think it was created.

That's your belief, not mine.

 

[Nostromo]

I think you're comparing apples to oranges here though.

While I believe God sends hurricanes to specific places for specific reasons, I don't believe He aborts children.

Could I press you to elaborate, or is it just a case of it being what you'd like to believe?

 

[Phred]

This is probably because the supernatural power of God is beyond the scope of science to study.

That would be great if you could show that:

1. God exists
2. God has powers
3. God is beyond the scope of man's ability to study

If you had done that THEN you could make statements like this. But since this is just... imagination, you can't.

Can science explain the many miracles in the Bible?
No, you will have to conclude they were fabricated.

Science can explain so-called miracles. That's why you don't see them anymore. That's why amputees aren't healed miraculously. That's why the dead don't rise anymore. We KNOW what it means to be really dead.

If God did indeed create it all, it is very much within HIs ability to defy/ignore the laws of nature that He Himself would have put into place.

Unless they were contradictory. God can't make a rock so heavy that he can't lift it if he's omnipotent. Once the laws are in place things that happen in this universe must comply. The fishes and loaves had to come from somewhere if they were real. They were made from atoms and those atoms formed molecules and the molecules formed the matter that we recognized as the structures of flesh and bone or grain made into flour then baked into bread. Processes must happen in order to have a fully formed adult fish. It either was snatched from a body of water or it was formed from constituent molecules that came from somewhere. Even God cannot make matter poof into existence without a corresponding release of energy. And that, with the right equipment, can be traced.

You imagine what your deity can do but you are wrong.

This is why we can ignore things that you all hold dear.
We acknowedge that God can do as He wishes. Including making it all in 6 literal days.

And if he had the world would LOOK like it had been made in six literal days. It does not.

Obvioulsy you non-believers will never believe or understand this.
Which is why I only intended originally to approach my brethren with my thoughts.

Of course. Except I do understand it all too well. You've turned off your objections in favor of winning god points.

We cannot explain it all. God doesnt want us to understand it all or He would have laid it out in black and white Himself.

That's quite some arrogance assuming you know the mind of God.

He wants us to approach HIm with faith in that which we cannot see or completely understand and worship HIM as our King.

See above.

I do reject forensic science the minute it defies the truth of scripture.

God gave you a mind. It's a terrible thing to waste.

 

[Nostromo]

I'd have to look it up, why? Is there some trick to it??

You tell me, you're the expert on God.

 

[dad]

You tell me, you're the expert on God.

You brought up some chapter...we need to know why.

 

[Nostromo]

You brought up some chapter...we need to know why.

I suspect you've already looked and know why.

Very often when a non-Christian interprets a piece of scripture they're told they're doing so incorrectly, so I'd like you to tell me what it means.

 

[AV1611VET]

You guys are making the claim - atheists just aren't convinced.

Atheists go beyond 'just not convinced' though.

 

[Self Improvement]

This is probably because the supernatural power of God is beyond the scope of science to study.

Can science explain the many miracles in the Bible?
No, you will have to conclude they were fabricated.

If God did indeed create it all, it is very much within HIs ability to defy/ignore the laws of nature that He Himself would have put into place.

This is why we can ignore things that you all hold dear.
We acknowedge that God can do as He wishes. Including making it all in 6 literal days.

Obvioulsy you non-believers will never believe or understand this.
Which is why I only intended originally to approach my brethren with my thoughts.

We cannot explain it all. God doesnt want us to understand it all or He would have laid it out in black and white Himself.

He wants us to approach HIm with faith in that which we cannot see or completely understand and worship HIM as our King.

I do reject forensic science the minute it defies the truth of scripture.

And this ladies and gentlemen is why humanity is destined for failure.

 

[Nostromo]

Atheists go beyond 'just not convinced' though.

Why don't you just tell them all what they think.

 

[Golden Yak]

Atheists go beyond 'just not convinced' though.

We do? Oh dear. I wonder what that was in response to. Not a memo I got, anyway.

 

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[Jazer]

Can science explain the many miracles in the Bible?
No, you will have to conclude they were fabricated.

If God did indeed create it all, it is very much within HIs ability to defy/ignore the laws of nature that He Himself would have put into place.

God would not break His own law. Every miracle I have ever seen restores things back to Gods law. Miracles are difficult to prove because it is difficult to prove there was ever a problem. After a miracle everything is restored back to the way God intended for it to be.

Matthew 5:17-19
English Standard Version (ESV)
Christ Came to Fulfill the Law

17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

 

[dad]

I suspect you've already looked and know why.

Very often when a non-Christian interprets a piece of scripture they're told they're doing so incorrectly, so I'd like you to tell me what it means.

No, I never looked it up. Not sure what you think you are getting at.

 

[Falconjudge]

... I'm sick of hearing the "Miracles break physics; therefore physics isn't absolutely true!" thing. Most, if not all, miracles in the Bible are directed scientific phenomena. Lightning striking a hightened, watered-down stone structure...? Yup. Nile turning red? Yup. This causeing mass frog and insect migrations and widespread disease? Yup. All except those by Jesus, which could well have been "embelleshed" by the writers of the Testament. Possibly.