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How do you know that God exists?

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My question is quite simple: How do we really know that God exists?
Because He provides those who ask, seek and knock what they need for belief.

Is there any evidence for his existence outside of the bible?
Yes. He provides absolutely everything you will need if you simply seek Him the way He prescribes.
 
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Hello everybody. My name is Salo, and I registered in this forum to ask you a question that has been haunting me for some time.

My question is quite simple: How do we really know that God exists? Is there any evidence for his existence outside of the bible?

I appreciate any answers. Thank you.
It depends on what you mean by "know." If by "know" you mean with certain knowledge, without a doubt then I would say we do not know that God exists. Either way we believe God exists which to me still seems to be different from saying that we know God exists.

It also depends on what you mean by "evidence." If by scientific evidence I would say certainly not as God is immaterial and science tests for the material world and the material things of the world and universe. Though, whenever I'm admiring something of nature I cannot help but think of the greatness of God.
 
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Dear Salo. To know God and to be in touch with Him, ( through prayer) is a wonderful experience, one cannot describe in simple words. Let God see your sincerety to want to know Him, then talk to God and let Him know what you really feel. God will let you know, you may be sure about it. Don`t think of God as a Magician with immediate answers, just wait and be alert. I say this with love, Salo. Greetings from Emmy, sister in Christ.
 
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Dear Salo. To know God and to be in touch with Him, ( through prayer) is a wonderful experience, one cannot describe in simple words. Let God see your sincerety to want to know Him, then talk to God and let Him know what you really feel. God will let you know, you may be sure about it. Don`t think of God as a Magician with immediate answers, just wait and be alert. I say this with love, Salo. Greetings from Emmy, sister in Christ.

Actually, I already did so. After my best friend died during the 9/11 attacks on the World Trade Center, I went to church, and I prayed to God. I asked him to save the soul of my friend, and to let me know if he's happy in heaven. I studied the bible and I prayed for weeks, without getting an answer from God. After all this weeks, I found out that his mother killed herself, and I wondered why God didn't give her the power to go on without her son. So I went to church again, and I asked God why he did this, and if he even existed. He never answered me. For some months, I've been waiting for his answer, and when I didn't get one, I realised that God did, in fact, not exist. I'm sorry, but I never "felt" God, not even once, and as life went on, I started to accept this knowledge, especially because it means that my friend doesn't have to spend eternity watching his mother burn in hell.

I hope that helped. I thank you all for your replies, and I would be happy to get more constructive replies in this thread.
 
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How do you know he doesn't? A bear leaves bear tracks and God has left His.

Ro 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse.
 
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Actually, I already did so. After my best friend died during the 9/11 attacks on the World Trade Center, I went to church, and I prayed to God. I asked him to save the soul of my friend, and to let me know if he's happy in heaven. I studied the bible and I prayed for weeks, without getting an answer from God. After all this weeks, I found out that his mother killed herself, and I wondered why God didn't give her the power to go on without her son. So I went to church again, and I asked God why he did this, and if he even existed. He never answered me. For some months, I've been waiting for his answer, and when I didn't get one, I realised that God did, in fact, not exist. I'm sorry, but I never "felt" God, not even once, and as life went on, I started to accept this knowledge, especially because it means that my friend doesn't have to spend eternity watching his mother burn in hell.

I hope that helped. I thank you all for your replies, and I would be happy to get more constructive replies in this thread.

I'm sorry for your loss. You may find that your experience is not isolated but neither is Emmy's. If you are interested in finding the experience that Emmy has witnessed to, I think it is necessary to approach God without making demands that He must fulfill for you as a prerequisite for your belief in Him. You are free to pursue your own way as you see fit but God is not indebted to you and therefore not required to do what you command.
 
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There is no rationale reason to believe in God. There is no physical proof there is a God. Yet for those who believe they see all the proof they need all round them! For those who believe, they can't understand how some can not believe!

That's how it is :)
 
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How do you know he doesn't? A bear leaves bear tracks and God has left His.

Ro 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse.

I don't know with absolute certainty that he doesn't exist, but I never saw him, felt him, heard him or saw any convincing evidence for his existence, so I concluded that he doesn't exist. This may sound as if I systematically ruled out God, Jesus or anything that has even remote ties to religion, but I do so with all things of which I have no evidence, not just with religion.

This said, may I ask you which "bear tracks" you are talking about? Just one specific example, maybe more, and how it is related to God. I would really appreciate this.

God doesn't over ride free will as men are responsible for their choices.

I heard that God gives us the strength to survive hard times, if only we reach out for him. Well, my friend and his parents were quite religious. I could even remember him reading a small bible before class, and that was almost 10 years ago, when almost no one in my entire class read any books whatsoever. Well, then why didn't he grant my friends mother the strength to survive?
 
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God doesn't over ride free will as men are responsible for their choices.

God does override "free will..."

Proverbs 16:9
In his heart a man plans his course, but the LORD determines his steps.

...unless you don't want to believe in the Bible...
 
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My question is quite simple: How do we really know that God exists? Is there any evidence for his existence outside of the bible?

Yep! I have witnessed God saving me from what seemed like an unconsolable, bad "downward spiral;" Miracles.

Sometimes I think of things that I know God doesn't want me to be thinking of and something will make a "snap out of it" sound...like a horn honking, or a bird flying into the window of the room that I'm sobbing uncontrollably in...I believe he's always giving us "snap out of it" signals but sometimes it takes learning how to tune into them more deeply.
 
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I'm sorry for your loss. You may find that your experience is not isolated in order fobut neither is Emmy's. If you are interested in finding the experience that Emmy has witnessed to, I think it is necessary to approach God without making demands that He must fulfill for you as a prerequisite for your belief in Him. You are free to pursue your own way as you see fit but God is not indebted to you and therefore not required to do what you command.

I really did believe in him. After rereading my last few posts, I realised it might have come across as if I only went to church to pray for my friends soul. Actually, I went to church before, and I believed in God, but I never took my belief so serious until I heard of his death. Of course consolation was a factor, and I got it for a while, too, but it was just one out of many factors.

Yep! I have witnessed God saving me from what seemed like an unconsolable, bad "downward spiral;" Miracles.

But for every story I hear about how God saved a life, I hear many more of people that died in gruesome ways, or who had their lives destroyed. I do not say that this stories are not inspirational, or beautiful, but I don't think that God played a part in any of them, but rather that it was a mix of luck and personal resolve and strength of will, two human traits that often get misinterpreted as signs of godly intervention.
 
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It's ok. God has a purpose for everyone. It depends on whether you want to believe that the bible is the inerrant word of God or not. You can decide to want to try to believe but ultimately God decides whether you do or not. It's good that you're seeking answers...

Proverbs 16:9
In his heart a man plans his course, but the LORD determines his steps.

Proverbs 16:4
The LORD works out everything for his own ends--even the wicked for a day of disaster.

I firmly believe that God creates even the "wicked" for the "day of disaster." God wouldn't punish somebody that HE created that way to "eternal damnation." That's not love and God is love...I believe We all go to heaven. This can be equated to the people who "died in gruesome ways, or who had their lives destroyed..." This life and this pain is nothing compared to heaven and the good things in store for us.

Genesis 50:20
You intended to harm me, but God intended it for good to accomplish what is now being done, the saving of many lives.
 
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It's ok. God has a purpose for everyone. It depends on whether you want to believe that the bible is the inerrant word of God or not. You can decide to want to try to believe but ultimately God decides whether you do or not. It's good that you're seeking answers...

Wait, so in the end, its God choice whether I believe or not? Is this what you want to say? In this case, no one is to blame for his disbelief, and it would be cruel, unjust and irrational for God to send them to hell.

Now, you said that you believe that God sends everyone to heaven, but as far as I know, the majority of Christians do not think that way.

I thank you all for your answers, but I would appreciate some more answers and more evidence.
 
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John 6:44
"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day.

Matthew 7:7
Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.


1 Cor 5:3
"For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge?
 
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Our entire world and our very existence is proof that there is a god. How could anything like our world have appeared by chance? How is it that we could somehow have managed to beat all of the odds, having the right star, a hospitable planet with all we need, and then having the first life form appear on its own (which we still haven't even been able to replicate in a lab yet), and that that one life form would be sufficient enough to multiply and populate the whole planet? The chances are so small, we can't even put a number on it.

How did the universe start in the first place? Some say that there may be some "machine" somewhere, creating alternate realities and adjusting itself to make each universe different. If so, what made the machine? Where does it end?

The fact that the machine changes means that it has to have a starting point too. But unlike the universe-creating machine, God never changes, and He's the only originator who could have existed in a timeless universe. Since God could exist in the beginning, he doesn't need a creator.

He's the only one who could, in that world of timeless nothingness, purposefully design a universe hospitable for life, and get it right the first time.

I heard that God gives us the strength to survive hard times, if only we reach out for him. Well, my friend and his parents were quite religious. I could even remember him reading a small bible before class, and that was almost 10 years ago, when almost no one in my entire class read any books whatsoever. Well, then why didn't he grant my friends mother the strength to survive?

If they were religious, what makes you think any of them would be in Hell? Because she committed suicide? The Bible doesn't say that suicide negates salvation. Suicide could be a sign of a lack of faith, and the lack of faith which might disqualify, but everyone loses faith sometimes. Did she kill herself because she lost faith in God, or because she was too overcome by emotion?

I don't know the situation your friend's mother was in, so I can't comment on why she didn't have the strength to survive. It may have been that she prayed to God for assistance, but then she did little to help herself. It would be like if I ask God for a job, but I don't go to any interviews. But, again, I don't know what her situation was, so I can't say for certain.
 
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Our entire world and our very existence is proof that there is a god. How could anything like our world have appeared by chance? How is it that we could somehow have managed to beat all of the odds, having the right star, a hospitable planet with all we need, and then having the first life form appear on its own (which we still haven't even been able to replicate in a lab yet), and that that one life form would be sufficient enough to multiply and populate the whole planet? The chances are so small, we can't even put a number on it.
As I said, the size of the universe is so big that it more than makes up for the impropabilty for an event like the forming of life. Lets just assume the chance for a planet to be inhabitable is 0.00001%. We assume, there are 100000000 of stars in the universe, and we assume that every star has at least one planet. This way, we have a chance of 10%, if I am right, that one of the planets is inhabitable. Now, this isn’t much, either, I just wanted to show you that the chance for something to happen, no matter how small this chance may be, becomes much bigger if you have lots of occasions where this chance exists.
You see, its not as impropable for life to exist as some people believe. I don’t regard this as evidence for God.

How did the universe start in the first place? Some say that there may be some "machine" somewhere, creating alternate realities and adjusting itself to make each universe different. If so, what made the machine? Where does it end?

The fact that the machine changes means that it has to have a starting point too. But unlike the universe-creating machine, God never changes, and He's the only originator who could have existed in a timeless universe. Since God could exist in the beginning, he doesn't need a creator.

He's the only one who could, in that world of timeless nothingness, purposefully design a universe hospitable for life, and get it right the first time.
Who says that this machine ever changes, or that the “God” who created the universe is anything like you portray them? He could just as well be malevolent or just plain apathetic to our existence. He could have created it and then abandoned us. With your reasoning, we still have no answer why Christianity is true, not Islam or even the lore of Lovecraft.
Now, about the start of the universe, I know that science doesn’t have answers for everything, but neither have you. Science can’t give you an answer of what the universe was like before it was “created”, or on how to create life. Religion, on the other hand, never gave humanity a satisfying answer on how to build cars, travel to the moon or on who killed John F. Kennedy.
But, most importantly, just because we have no answer for something doesn’t mean we can put whatever we want into the blanks. If we assume that it must be God who created the universe in the first place, we still have no idea what he is like, or which religion is true. The only thing we know is that he exists, and nothing else.
If they were religious, what makes you think any of them would be in Hell? Because she committed suicide? The Bible doesn't say that suicide negates salvation. Suicide could be a sign of a lack of faith, and the lack of faith which might disqualify, but everyone loses faith sometimes. Did she kill herself because she lost faith in God, or because she was too overcome by emotion?

I’d say it was the second part, although I don’t know for sure. Well, most of the time, I hear that everyone who commits suicide ends in hell because its technically murder and because our lifes don’t belong to us, but to God.

I don't know the situation your friend's mother was in, so I can't comment on why she didn't have the strength to survive. It may have been that she prayed to God for assistance, but then she did little to help herself. It would be like if I ask God for a job, but I don't go to any interviews. But, again, I don't know what her situation was, so I can't say for certain.

The difference is, God is omnipotent. So what reason does he have for not helping us if we ask?

If God only helps us if we help ourself, then we can just go on without his assistance and do everything by ourself.
 
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As I said, the size of the universe is so big that it more than makes up for the impropabilty for an event like the forming of life. Lets just assume the chance for a planet to be inhabitable is 0.00001%. We assume, there are 100000000 of stars in the universe, and we assume that every star has at least one planet. This way, we have a chance of 10%, if I am right, that one of the planets is inhabitable. Now, this isn’t much, either, I just wanted to show you that the chance for something to happen, no matter how small this chance may be, becomes much bigger if you have lots of occasions where this chance exists.
You see, its not as impropable for life to exist as some people believe. I don’t regard this as evidence for God.

And you think that math and numbers are enough to explain how wonderful live is? This sounds very nihilistic.

Who says that this machine ever changes, or that the “God” who created the universe is anything like you portray them? He could just as well be malevolent or just plain apathetic to our existence. He could have created it and then abandoned us. With your reasoning, we still have no answer why Christianity is true, not Islam or even the lore of Lovecraft.

But both Islam and Lovecraft came after Christianity. We were the first to grasp the concept of God, so it is very propable that we are right.

Now, about the start of the universe, I know that science doesn’t have answers for everything, but neither have you. Science can’t give you an answer of what the universe was like before it was “created”, or on how to create life. Religion, on the other hand, never gave humanity a satisfying answer on how to build cars, travel to the moon or on who killed John F. Kennedy.
But, most importantly, just because we have no answer for something doesn’t mean we can put whatever we want into the blanks. If we assume that it must be God who created the universe in the first place, we still have no idea what he is like, or which religion is true. The only thing we know is that he exists, and nothing else.

God IS the answer for everything. Stop denying it.
 
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