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How do you keep the Sabbath Holy?

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We likewise do not find in Scripture, "God is sovereign," nor "God is Trinity." .

We have
Deut 6:5 -- One God
Matt 28:19 -- in three persons

So here again - I don't have a problem with the sola scriptura test method.

And you seem to be admitting that there is no text saying "every day is the Sabbath" or "if you are saved you need to ignore one of God's commandments".

And I am comfortable with the fact that most Bible scholars on both sides of the Sabbath debate admit that all TEN of the commandments remain - even for saved people. Their only real issue is regarding the day to select for it and why.
 
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We have
Deut 6:5 -- One God
Matt 28:19 -- in three persons

So here again - I don't have a problem with the sola scriptura test method.

And you seem to be admitting that there is no text saying "every day is the Sabbath" or "if you are saved you need to ignore one of God's commandments".

I find it fascinating how many people have taken the passage of Hebrews 4 which is a call to obedience and have some how turned it into we can make our own definition of the Sabbath and ignore all the details, as you like to put for example with this verse:

Hebrews 4:10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.

We have to do something to enter into the rest in Christ. We must cease from our works as God did from His.

When does God cease from His works? This very passage tells us and how people come to understand the seventh day means “everyday” is beyond me.

4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”;

Which makes sense why we have the verse before:

Hebrews 4:9 There remaineth therefore a sabbath rest for the people of God.

This correlates with the Sabbath commandment perfectly.

Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who iswithin your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

We are so blessed to have a God that makes such clear scripture for us to follow.

It truly can not be any clearer. We are only blessed when we obey Isaiah 58:13 and I have experienced the promise we receive when we obey Isaiah 58:14. There is nothing like the spiritual blessing you receive when having communion with God for a full day on His holy Sabbath. This spiritual blessing is what gets me through another long work week.

God bless my friend!
 
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We have
Deut 6:5 -- One God
Matt 28:19 -- in three persons
Falls short of "God is Trinity."

And "God is sovereign"?
only real issue is regarding the day to select for it and why.
It's every day in the NT!
 
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Falls short of "God is Trinity."

And "God is sovereign"?

It's every day in the NT!

If only you had a scripture to back that up. Our commentaries are not equal to the Word of God.

Hebrews 4:10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.

We have to do something to enter into the rest in Christ. We must cease from our works as God did from His.

When does God cease from His works? This very passage in Hebrews 4:4 tells us which is a reference to Creation Genesis 2:1-3 when God said He rested from His works three times on the seventh day.

Hebrews 4:4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”;

There is no place that says the “seventh day” is everyday.
 
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There's a whole passage--Hebrews 4:1-11.
Yes and the whole passage is speaking of two different rests. The seventh day Sabbath rest and the spiritual rest that one enters by ceasing their works as God did from His on the seventh day. The Sabbath is the door to the rest in Christ and according to God the Sabbath is on the seventh day Exodus 20:10 and the day God ceased from His works. Hebrews 4:4, Genesis 2:1-3 and the passage calls us to follow His example. We are blessed when we hallow His Sabbath Isaiah 58:13-14, not defile it like the example of disobedience to whom it was first preached to. Hebrews 4:6 Ezekiel 20:13.
 
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There's a whole passage--Hebrews 4:1-11.

Thanks - that is a great example of a Bible chapter that does not say "we now keep the Sabbath every day rather than on the seventh day -- by not resting from secular activity" or "once we are Christian we can ignore this particular commandment"
 
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I do what ever I always or don't always do. Rest.. work you name it. Some are taking verses out context. The day was made for man not man for the day. The answer is right there. Praise GOD glory to Jesus. Don't let anyone tell you you are "obeying" or "disobeying". Were not here to please man so its between you and Him.
 
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I do what ever I always or don't always do. Rest.. work you name it. Some are taking verses out context. The day was made for man not man for the day. The answer is right there. Praise GOD glory to Jesus. Don't let anyone tell you you are "obeying" or "disobeying". Were not here to please man so its between you and Him.

God's commandments were not invented by man.

This explains why D.L. Moody, "The Baptist Confession of Faith", "the Westminster Confession of Faith", the Catholic Catechism, Dies Domini, "The Faith Explained" and a great many other documents connected to all major groups/denominations affirm all TEN of the TEN commandments as applicable to all mankind.
 
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May I suggest that today, and since the new covenant was ratified at Calvary with the blood of Jesus, there is no such command to keep a day Holy. Jesus said when we are weary and have the need of rest that He is there to be refreshment. Read Eph 2 with the emphasis on verse 15. Jews have been released from the Torah and gentiles never have been under Torah. Our bodies tell us when we need rest from laboring. If we are wise, we will heed the warning and come apart no matter what day it is. We live in a World that never stops needing workers to keep everything from stopping.

Actually, it is a pie in the sky notion that all can stop on a day that was commanded by God to only one group of people. God had a reason for demanding Israelites to cease from work. They had been slaves for four hundred years and probably without any time off for rest. Left to their own volition they probably could not have comprehend resting and reflecting on how God led them out of Egypt and that He is a loving God who created all. Even some of God's chosen people had to work on the Torah requirement. We see some glimpses from the Old Testament and even Jesus Where work was required. Eph 2:15 tells us Jesus ended the requirements of Torah for Israel, so why is it some think it is a requirement for anyone now?
 
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So I pretty much did nothing except for lay around yesterday, and take naps. I felt like that was a good Saturday activity to keep Holy the Sabbath, after a long week of hard physical work. I wake up at 4AM, and work in 100° heat all day, so a day of rest is actually extremely helpful.

I've read online, that some people go as far as to not shower or even flush the toilet on Saturday, as those things are considered work? But if that's the case, why drive a car to church on the Sabbath, when one can pray at home, and not have to drive?

Just curious how we're supposed to do this.


Being a Catholic you would be confused. I also wrestle with the word; when I hear the word "Holy" I always think of the Pope, and then wonder what Holy means.

According to scripture the Sabbath is to be a Holy assembly, and the commandment is to keep the assembly Holy and not profane the day. Keeping the Sabbath requires that the event be a delight and that the whole of the Law be accommodated or be satisfied; Basically one should not do work not required for the event, the day is a feast and should be a pleasure, but the commandments of God still need to be kept.
 
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May I suggest that today, and since the new covenant was ratified at Calvary with the blood of Jesus, there is no such command to keep a day Holy. Jesus said when we are weary and have the need of rest that He is there to be refreshment. Read Eph 2 with the emphasis on verse 15. Jews have been released from the Torah and gentiles never have been under Torah. Our bodies tell us when we need rest from laboring. If we are wise, we will heed the warning and come apart no matter what day it is. We live in a World that never stops needing workers to keep everything from stopping.

Actually, it is a pie in the sky notion that all can stop on a day that was commanded by God to only one group of people. God had a reason for demanding Israelites to cease from work. They had been slaves for four hundred years and probably without any time off for rest. Left to their own volition they probably could not have comprehend resting and reflecting on how God led them out of Egypt and that He is a loving God who created all. Even some of God's chosen people had to work on the Torah requirement. We see some glimpses from the Old Testament and even Jesus Where work was required. Eph 2:15 tells us Jesus ended the requirements of Torah for Israel, so why is it some think it is a requirement for anyone now?


I disagree, mainly with premises that proceed your conclusions.

I agree that the new covenant partly ratified but only in the sense that the new covenant, made with the lost sheep of Israel, is a subset of the old covenant, a second chance. The new Testament, with the exception of the epistles of Paul and the book of Acts, is the historical account of the old covenant being half ratified, including what happened at Calvary. The second half of the week of ratification of the old covenant continues when Christ returns; in between is the great and terrible day of the Lord.
 
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So I pretty much did nothing except for lay around yesterday, and take naps. I felt like that was a good Saturday activity to keep Holy the Sabbath, after a long week of hard physical work. I wake up at 4AM, and work in 100° heat all day, so a day of rest is actually extremely helpful.

I've read online, that some people go as far as to not shower or even flush the toilet on Saturday, as those things are considered work? But if that's the case, why drive a car to church on the Sabbath, when one can pray at home, and not have to drive?

Just curious how we're supposed to do this.
We must be experiencing the Gospel. The Sabbath is a day of rest from the work we do to survive. But we are called to keep it holy. We can't do this on our own. This can only be done through God's Spirit through Christ. For it is He that works in us both to will and do His good pleasure. With man this is impossible. But with God all things are possible. As Jesus said. " My Father worketh hitherto and I work the works of Him who sent me. He doeth the work" The work of ministering to others and worshipping God never stops. But our Lord Father has set one day apart by sanctifying it where no other work, but His work is to be done. Six days shall we labor and do all our own work. But the Seventh is the Sabbath OF our Lord God Almighty. In it we shall not do any work. For it is Holy unto the Lord, Amen.
 
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You are of course free to believe as you wish ... you have free will.
Exactly! We all do.

So if you wish to judge how I keep the Sabbath, we can step outside* and resolve it. Or we can keep it friendly.

I'd much prefer the second.

So, my man, what did you do this most recent Sabbath?

*i.e. move to a different thread
 
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So if you wish to judge how I keep the Sabbath,

pointing to Bible details and stating that bible details is "allowed" on CF even if those Bible details go against your preferences. You are free to have whatever preferences you wish... just as I am free to point to Bible details and even to logical fallacies in some statement that is made.

You can choose to improve your statement if you wish - or simply ignore the gap I am pointing out. you can do either one and it is fine with me.
 
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So, my man, what did you do this most recent Sabbath?

Are you familiar with post #5 on this thread - page one??

No secular activity - Is 58:13.
A day of rest - Ex 20:8-11 - avoid unnecessary secular work/activity
A day for worship and holy convocation assembly - Lev 23:3
A day for worship and mediation can also include time in nature and devotionals shared with others about our Creator, our Savior, Christ as High Priest in Hebrew 8 etc.

Friday is called the "preparation day" and many people cook Sabbath meals and take evening showers on Friday so as to front-load as many activities away from the Sabbath hours as possible.

Were you wishing to continue an on-topic dialogue here in response?
 
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May I suggest that today, and since the new covenant was ratified at Calvary with the blood of Jesus, there is no such command to keep a day Holy.

May I suggest that when we actually read the words of the New Covenant in Jer 31:31-34 and repeated verbatim in Heb 8:6-12 we find no such "delete commandments of God" language in it. Rather in the actual New Covenant - we are told that God "writes His Law on our heart and mind" - instead of deleting it.

Exegesis requires that we consider the fact that this means the definition for that law has to be consistent with the moral law of God known to Jeremiah and his readers.
 
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Being a Catholic you would be confused. I also wrestle with the word; when I hear the word "Holy" I always think of the Pope, and then wonder what Holy means.

According to scripture the Sabbath is to be a Holy assembly, and the commandment is to keep the assembly Holy and not profane the day. Keeping the Sabbath requires that the event be a delight and that the whole of the Law be accommodated or be satisfied; Basically one should not do work not required for the event, the day is a feast and should be a pleasure, but the commandments of God still need to be kept.

I am not so sure that what you are proposing is foreign to a Catholic POV.

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Catechism


From; Catechism of the Catholic Church - PART 3 SECTION 2 CHAPTER 1 ARTICLE 3

CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
SECOND EDITION



PART THREE
LIFE IN CHRIST


SECTION TWO
THE TEN COMMANDMENTS


CHAPTER ONE
"YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND"

ARTICLE 3
THE THIRD COMMANDMENT


Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor, and do all your work; but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work.90

The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath; so the Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath.91

* I. THE SABBATH DAY

2168 The third commandment of the Decalogue recalls the holiness of the Sabbath: "The seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the LORD."92

2169 In speaking of the Sabbath Scripture recalls creation: "For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it."93

2170 Scripture also reveals in the Lord's day a memorial of Israel's liberation from bondage in Egypt: "You shall remember that you were a servant in the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God brought you out thence with mighty hand and outstretched arm; therefore the LORD your God commanded you to keep the Sabbath day."94

2171 God entrusted the Sabbath to Israel to keep as a sign of the irrevocable covenant.95 The Sabbath is for the Lord, holy and set apart for the praise of God, his work of creation, and his saving actions on behalf of Israel.

2172 God's action is the model for human action. If God "rested and was refreshed" on the seventh day, man too ought to "rest" and should let others, especially the poor, "be refreshed."96 The Sabbath brings everyday work to a halt and provides a respite. It is a day of protest against the servitude of work and the worship of money.97

2173 The Gospel reports many incidents when Jesus was accused of violating the Sabbath law. But Jesus never fails to respect the holiness of this day.98 He gives this law its authentic and authoritative interpretation: "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath."99 With compassion, Christ declares the Sabbath for doing good rather than harm, for saving life rather than killing.100 The Sabbath is the day of the Lord of mercies and a day to honor God.101 "The Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath."102


========== conclusion

1. it is the "Lord's day"
2. it is part of the Decalogue
3. it points directly to Gen 2:1-3 creation week.

And of course - we just saw what they think of the Decalogue -



====================== resume

II. THE LORD'S DAY

This is the day which the LORD has made; let us rejoice and be glad in it.103

The day of the Resurrection: the new creation

2174 Jesus rose from the dead "on the first day of the week."104 Because it is the "first day," the day of Christ's Resurrection recalls the first creation. Because it is the "eighth day" following the Sabbath,105 it symbolizes the new creation ushered in by Christ's Resurrection. For Christians it has become the first of all days, the first of all feasts, the Lord's Day (he kuriake hemera, dies dominica) Sunday:

We all gather on the day of the sun, for it is the first day [after the Jewish Sabbath, but also the first day] when God, separating matter from darkness, made the world; and on this same day Jesus Christ our Savior rose from the dead.106

Sunday - fulfillment of the Sabbath

2175 Sunday is expressly distinguished from the Sabbath which it follows chronologically every week; for Christians its ceremonial observance replaces that of the Sabbath. In Christ's Passover, Sunday fulfills the spiritual truth of the Jewish Sabbath and announces man's eternal rest in God. For worship under the Law prepared for the mystery of Christ, and what was done there prefigured some aspects of Christ:107

Those who lived according to the old order of things have come to a new hope, no longer keeping the Sabbath, but the Lord's Day, in which our life is blessed by him and by his death.108

2176 The celebration of Sunday observes the moral commandment inscribed by nature in the human heart to render to God an outward, visible, public, and regular worship "as a sign of his universal beneficence to all."109 Sunday worship fulfills the moral command of the Old Covenant, taking up its rhythm and spirit in the weekly celebration of the Creator and Redeemer of his people.

The Sunday Eucharist

2177 The Sunday celebration of the Lord's Day and his Eucharist is at the heart of the Church's life. "Sunday is the day on which the paschal mystery is celebrated in light of the apostolic tradition and is to be observed as the foremost holy day of obligation in the universal Church."110

"Also to be observed are the day of the Nativity of Our Lord Jesus Christ, the Epiphany, the Ascension of Christ, the feast of the Body and Blood of Christi, the feast of Mary the Mother of God, her Immaculate Conception, her Assumption, the feast of Saint Joseph, the feast of the Apostles Saints Peter and Paul, and the feast of All Saints."111

2178 This practice of the Christian assembly dates from the beginnings of the apostolic age.112 The Letter to the Hebrews reminds the faithful "not to neglect to meet together, as is the habit of some, but to encourage one another."113

Tradition preserves the memory of an ever-timely exhortation: Come to Church early, approach the Lord, and confess your sins, repent in prayer. . . . Be present at the sacred and divine liturgy, conclude its prayer and do not leave before the dismissal. . . . We have often said: "This day is given to you for prayer and rest. This is the day that the Lord has made, let us rejoice and be glad in it."114

2179 "A parish is a definite community of the Christian faithful established on a stable basis within a particular church; the pastoral care of the parish is entrusted to a pastor as its own shepherd under the authority of the diocesan bishop."115 It is the place where all the faithful can be gathered together for the Sunday celebration of the Eucharist. The parish initiates the Christian people into the ordinary expression of the liturgical life: it gathers them together in this celebration; it teaches Christ's saving doctrine; it practices the charity of the Lord in good works and brotherly love:

You cannot pray at home as at church, where there is a great multitude, where exclamations are cried out to God as from one great heart, and where there is something more: the union of minds, the accord of souls, the bond of charity, the prayers of the priests.116

The Sunday obligation

2180 The precept of the Church specifies the law of the Lord more precisely: "On Sundays and other holy days of obligation the faithful are bound to participate in the Mass."117 "The precept of participating in the Mass is satisfied by assistance at a Mass which is celebrated anywhere in a Catholic rite either on the holy day or on the evening of the preceding day."118

2181 The Sunday Eucharist is the foundation and confirmation of all Christian practice. For this reason the faithful are obliged to participate in the Eucharist on days of obligation, unless excused for a serious reason (for example, illness, the care of infants) or dispensed by their own pastor.119 Those who deliberately fail in this obligation commit a grave sin.

2182 Participation in the communal celebration of the Sunday Eucharist is a testimony of belonging and of being faithful to Christ and to his Church. The faithful give witness by this to their communion in faith and charity. Together they testify to God's holiness and their hope of salvation. They strengthen one another under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

2183 "If because of lack of a sacred minister or for other grave cause participation in the celebration of the Eucharist is impossible, it is specially recommended that the faithful take part in the Liturgy of the Word if it is celebrated in the parish church or in another sacred place according to the prescriptions of the diocesan bishop, or engage in prayer for an appropriate amount of time personally or in a family or, as occasion offers, in groups of families."120

A day of grace and rest from work

2184 Just as God "rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had done,"121 human life has a rhythm of work and rest. The institution of the Lord's Day helps everyone enjoy adequate rest and leisure to cultivate their familial, cultural, social, and religious lives.122

2185 On Sundays and other holy days of obligation, the faithful are to refrain from engaging in work or activities that hinder the worship owed to God, the joy proper to the Lord's Day, the performance of the works of mercy, and the appropriate relaxation of mind and body.123 Family needs or important social service can legitimately excuse from the obligation of Sunday rest. The faithful should see to it that legitimate excuses do not lead to habits prejudicial to religion, family life, and health.

The charity of truth seeks holy leisure- the necessity of charity accepts just work.124

2186 Those Christians who have leisure should be mindful of their brethren who have the same needs and the same rights, yet cannot rest from work because of poverty and misery. Sunday is traditionally consecrated by Christian piety to good works and humble service of the sick, the infirm, and the elderly. Christians will also sanctify Sunday by devoting time and care to their families and relatives, often difficult to do on other days of the week. Sunday is a time for reflection, silence, cultivation of the mind, and meditation which furthers the growth of the Christian interior life.

2187 Sanctifying Sundays and holy days requires a common effort. Every Christian should avoid making unnecessary demands on others that would hinder them from observing the Lord's Day. Traditional activities (sport, restaurants, etc.), and social necessities (public services, etc.), require some people to work on Sundays, but everyone should still take care to set aside sufficient time for leisure. With temperance and charity the faithful will see to it that they avoid the excesses and violence sometimes associated with popular leisure activities. In spite of economic constraints, public authorities should ensure citizens a time intended for rest and divine worship. Employers have a similar obligation toward their employees.

2188 In respecting religious liberty and the common good of all, Christians should seek recognition of Sundays and the Church's holy days as legal holidays. They have to give everyone a public example of prayer, respect, and joy and defend their traditions as a precious contribution to the spiritual life of society. If a country's legislation or other reasons require work on Sunday, the day should nevertheless be lived as the day of our deliverance which lets us share in this "festal gathering," this "assembly of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven."125

IN BRIEF

2189 "Observe the Sabbath day, to keep it holy" (Deut 5:12). "The seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the Lord" (Ex 31:15).

2190 The Sabbath, which represented the completion of the first creation, has been replaced by Sunday which recalls the new creation inaugurated by the Resurrection of Christ.

2191 The Church celebrates the day of Christ's Resurrection on the "eighth day," Sunday, which is rightly called the Lord's Day (cf. SC 106).

2192 "Sunday . . . is to be observed as the foremost holy day of obligation in the universal Church" (CIC, can. 1246 § 1). "On Sundays and other holy days of obligation the faithful are bound to participate in the Mass" (CIC, can. 1247).

2193 "On Sundays and other holy days of obligation the faithful are bound . . . to abstain from those labors and business concerns which impede the worship to be rendered to God, the joy which is proper to the Lord's Day, or the proper relaxation of mind and body" (CIC, can. 1247).

2194 The institution of Sunday helps all "to be allowed sufficient rest and leisure to cultivate their familial, cultural, social, and religious lives" (GS 67 § 3).

2195 Every Christian should avoid making unnecessary demands on others that would hinder them from observing the Lord's Day.

90 Ex 20:8-10; cf. Deut 5:12-15.
91 Mk 2:27-28.
92 Ex 31:15.
93 Ex 20:11.
94 Deut 5:15.
95 Cf. Ex 31:16.
96 Ex 31:17; cf. 23:12.
97 Cf. Neh 13:15-22; 2 Chr 36:21.
98 Cf. Mk 1:21; Jn 9:16.
99 Mk 2:27.
100 Cf. Mk 3:4.
101 Cf. Mt 12:5; Jn 7:23.
102 Mk 2:28.
103 Ps 118:24.
104 Cf. Mt 28:1; Mk 16:2; Lk 24:1; Jn 20:1.
105 Cf. Mk 16:1; Mt 28:1.
106 St. Justin, I Apol. 67:pG 6,429 and 432.
107 Cf. 1 Cor 10:11.
108 St. Ignatius of Antioch, Ad Magn. 9,1:SCh 10,88.
109 St. Thomas Aquinas, STh II-II,122,4.
110 CIC, can. 1246 § 1.
111 CIC, can. 1246 § 2: "The conference of bishops can abolish certain holy days of obligation or transfer them to a Sunday with prior approval of the Apostolic See."
112 Cf. Acts 2:42-46; 1 Cor 11:17.
113 Heb 10:25.
114 Sermo de die dominica 2 et 6:pG 86/1,416C and 421C.
115 CIC, can. 515 § 1.
116 St. John Chrysostom, De incomprehensibili 3,6:pG 48,725.
117 CIC, can. 1247.
118 CIC, can. 1248 § 1.
119 Cf. CIC, can. 1245.
120 CIC, can. 1248 § 2.
121 Gen 2:2.
122 Cf. GS 67 § 3.
123 Cf. CIC, can. 120.
124 St. Augustine, De civ. Dei 19,19:pL 41,647.
125 Heb 12:22-23.
 
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pointing to Bible details and stating that bible details is "allowed" on CF even if those Bible details go against your preferences. You are free to have whatever preferences you wish... just as I am free to point to Bible details and even to logical fallacies in some statement that is made.

You can choose to improve your statement if you wish - or simply ignore the gap I am pointing out. you can do either one and it is fine with me.
Responded over here, #596
Did all the laws end at the cross- Part 2

I'd really like to keep the friendly tone this thread started out with.
 
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Are you familiar with post #5 on this thread - page one??



Were you wishing to continue an on-topic dialogue here in response?
Yes, thank you for post 5.

In keeping with the OP, I was especially interested in specific activities.

Myself, I can't remember exactly. I think I went for a walk and probably listened to praise music. Or I might have listened to a New Yorker short story podcast.

Nothing like a well-written short story for insights into some aspects of wisdom imo.

That's how it works for me. You?
 
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