How do you feel about climate change? Is it affecting our world negatively?

[klutedavid]

When Yellowstone blows and puts the world into years of continual winter and kills a large part of the people, it might reverse things a tad. Nature has it's ways and isn't worried about the bank account.

Nature has it's ways I agree. A fossil record stretching into the deep past of mass extinction events.

 

[klutedavid]

It does matter because the socialist/communist left is using the Environment & climate crisis as a basis to get into power. When governments and I'm talking progressive radical left governments get more control they don't give it back, they don't get smaller they get bigger, big government tax more not less, the regulations become stricter, people loose individual rights and freedoms. The majority of people are way to gullible and think with more global government regulations it will lead to a utopia, well --that's not going to happen.

It's the far right and conservative governments being elected around the world. Not the loony left wing governments, people are not that stupid.

Global warming continues regardless of petty politics.

World population over seven billion people and rising. So obviously global emission of CO2 also increases. No one can stop the rise in global temperature.

 

[Pedra]

I disagree with these inscriptions.

Five hundred million is way too big a population for the earth. The reason is that mankind breeds to quickly and in a few centuries we are firmly back into the billions of people.
The world population must be reduced far more dramatically than 500 million.
I would reduce it down to a million people at most.
Forget the rest of the points the author made as he is living in dreamland.

I'm glad you're not in charge then & hope no one with those ideas ever gets power.
So are you for a Dictatorship then to getting control of the world? How are you going to reduce the population ? Should the government commit genocide? Letting humanity starve? Forced Euthanasia? forced abortion & sterilization?

 

[-Sasha-]

It does matter because the socialist/communist left is using the Environment & climate crisis as a basis to get into power. When governments and I'm talking progressive radical left governments get more control they don't give it back, they don't get smaller they get bigger, big government tax more not less, the regulations become stricter, people loose individual rights and freedoms. The majority of people are way to gullible and think with more global government regulations it will lead to a utopia, well --that's not going to happen.

I'm not saying your concerns aren't valid, but if the right were to add in ecological concerns to their platform (even if just for love of nature, and not belief in climate change) perhaps the people who are drawn to the more extreme left parties because they're the "only ones" addressing these topics would have a viable alternative?

Frankly I doubt any positive changes in terms of ecological preservation will be made regardless of which parties are in power. People want profitability and stuff to consume, and that seems to not go along very well with not damaging natural resources.

 

[Pedra]

It's the far right and conservative governments being elected around the world. Not the loony left wing governments, people are not that stupid.

Global warming continues regardless of petty politics.

World population over seven billion people and rising. So obviously global emission of CO2 also increases. No one can stop the rise in global temperature.

No the Conservatives that want LESS government control , less regulation not more.
The climate hysteria & political agenda is from the left.

 

[klutedavid]

I'm glad you're not in charge then & hope no one with those ideas ever gets power.
So are you for a Dictatorship then to getting control of the world? How are you going to reduce the population ? Should the government commit genocide? Letting humanity starve? Forced Euthanasia? forced abortion & sterilization?

Unless you scale back the population of the world to tens of millions or smaller. Then the outcome is unavoidable, the world cannot cope with a population approaching eight billion people.

The world is not that big really and the atmosphere is measured in under ten kilometers.

Someone needs to act soon, otherwise the tensions between states will steadily increase. As nations compete for declining resources.

This is not rocket science it's fairly simple mathematics.

Someone has to take over the world and reduce the population.

 

[klutedavid]

No the Conservatives that want LESS government control , less regulation not more.
The climate hysteria & political agenda is from the left.

All I see are right wing governments around the world and they have an agenda.

 

[-Sasha-]

All I see are right wing governments around the world and they have an agenda.

You two seem to be using different definitions of what is the "right". Pedra appears to be speaking of the Libertarians (small government, more individual autonomy) whereas you seem to be referring to the neoconservatives (big government, more restrictions on individual rights). It might make this discussion simpler if terms are agreed upon first. There truly are few, if any, places where the government is actively seeking to limit its own powers.

 

[timothyu]

I would reduce it down to a million people at most.

Will you take the first step?

 

[klutedavid]

You two seem to be using different definitions of what is the "right". Pedra appears to be speaking of the Libertarians (small government, more individual autonomy) whereas you seem to be referring to the neoconservatives (big government, more restrictions on individual rights). It might make this discussion simpler if terms are agreed upon first. There truly are few, if any, places where the government is actively seeking to limit its own powers.

We don't vote governments into power we actually throw governments out of power.

I'm talking about conservative, right wing, that is business as usual types of government. Think Trump, Johnston, Merkel, Morrison, e.t.c.

The world is being very badly managed by governments around the world.

We desperately need a one world government. Because humanity cannot possibly survive with nations competing with one another. Tensions are rising every year between these states.

The world is much worse now than it was twenty years ago. Too many problems, too few resources and way too many people. Half the population does not want to vote because nothing ever changes.

Someone sooner or later has to act because we cannot continue the way we are.

 

[Sparagmos]

No your being deceived by propaganda.

Scientists aren’t propagandists, but the fossil fuel industry is certainly linked to pretty much all of the propaganda denying climate change and it’s effects.

 

[-Sasha-]

We don't vote governments into power we actually throw governments out of power.

I'm talking about conservative, right wing, that is business as usual types of government. Think Trump, Johnston, Merkel, Morrison, e.t.c.

The world is being very badly managed by governments around the world.

We desperately need a one world government. Because humanity cannot possibly survive with nations competing with one another. Tensions are rising every year between these states.

The world is much worse now than it was twenty years ago. Too many problems, too few resources and way too many people. Half the population does not want to vote because nothing ever changes.

Someone sooner or later has to act because we cannot continue the way we are.

I think of myself as fairly utopian, but you truly believe that with one government in control of the world, things would be better? Why would those politicians behave any better than the current ones, and why wouldn't they end up literally being handpicked from the current ones but bestowed with even more power than they currently possess?

Would you volunteer to be part of the segment of humanity which is to be culled?

 

[Pedra]

Scientists aren’t propagandists, but the fossil fuel industry is certainly linked to pretty much all of the propaganda denying climate change and it’s effects.

That speculation just doesn't line up at all with the facts.

 

[klutedavid]

Will you take the first step?

Thought you might demand that someone step up to the plate. Please let me introduce myself, i'm a man of wealth and taste. I have been around for a long, long time, and I was waiting for someone to ask.

Pleased to meet you
Hope you guess my name
But what's puzzling you
Is the nature of my game.

 

[timothyu]

Whoo whoo

 

[klutedavid]

I think of myself as fairly utopian, but you truly believe that with one government in control of the world, things would be better? Why would those politicians behave any better than the current ones, and why wouldn't they end up literally being handpicked from the current ones but bestowed with even more power than they currently possess?

Would you volunteer to be part of the segment of humanity which is to be culled?

Your absolutely correct but the world really does need a one world government. I cannot see any other solution to the global problems.

Someone needs to control and manage the worlds resources, population, and everything else.

Whether a one world government would work or not, I don't think that we really have any other option available.

Seriously the world population cannot continue to grow unchecked. Global temperature rise cannot be ignored. We cannot continue driving nature into extinction. We cannot keep on this path that we are walking and not expect. Very serious repercussions in the not too distant future.

 

[klutedavid]

Whoo whoo

You know the song!

 

[-Sasha-]

Your absolutely correct but the world really does need a one world government. I cannot see any other solution to the global problems.

Someone needs to control and manage the worlds resources, population, and everything else.

Whether a one world government would work or not, I don't think that we really have any other option available.

Seriously the world population cannot continue to grow unchecked. Global temperature rise cannot be ignored. We cannot continue driving nature into extinction. We cannot keep on this path that we are walking and not expect. Very serious repercussions in the not too distant future.

Well if there is "no other solution", it seems to me that we are left with exactly zero realistic solutions.

 

[klutedavid]

That speculation just doesn't line up at all with the facts.

They are not denying climate change now, they just say that the change is more modest than the alarmists assert. Nothing to really worry about let's get on with business.

No one can deny climate change these days as the climate data is overwhelming.

 

[timothyu]

Your absolutely correct but the world really does need a one world government.

It has one. Always had. He who controls the purse strings controls the world. They have power in their invisibility.