How do you decide if something is factual?

[AV1611VET]

First of all, the theory of evolution describes how things change over time.

So does entropy.

 

[Kylie]

So does entropy.

And, like entropy, the theory of evolution allows us to make useful predictions about the future, which is why we are sure it is real.

 

[Kylie]

If they were that naïve, wouldn't they change their mind if they saw someone drown?

Really, AV? Is that the best you've got? You really think they'd see someone drown and decide to never touch water again and die of dehydration?

 

[AV1611VET]

Really, AV? Is that the best you've got?

It's better than your assumption that they would conclude water was the source of life.

You really think they'd see someone drown and decide to never touch water again and die of dehydration?

I didn't say that.

I asked if they would change their mind about water being the source of life if they saw someone drown.

I'm sure they would still drink it, for crying out loud.

And for the record, according to the etymology of the word, it is a description of what it looks like, not what it does.

 

[Kylie]

It's better than your assumption that they would conclude water was the source of life.

Yeah, because of course people living in a desert would NEVER see any people or animals die from lack of water, would they? They sure wouldn't see that life flourished where there was a source of water, would they? Of course not.

I didn't say that.

I asked if they would change their mind about water being the source of life if they saw someone drown.

I'm sure they would still drink it, for crying out loud.

Minor details. They would still understand that water was required for life, even if they saw someone drown.

And for the record, according to the etymology of the word, it is a description of what it looks like, not what it does.

Which word? Water? Drown? Source? Life? What are you talking about here? Please be clear.

 

[Wakalix]

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Aman:>>Sure it does:
Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly,

Wak:>>You are ignoring the next verse.

I'll give you 3 strikes.

And then what? I die? You stop talking? The Moon falls to the Earth? The skies tear themselves apart?

You are ignoring the end of the verse I cited:

Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after THEIR kind, and every winged fowl after HIS kind: and God saw that it was good.

What's the difference between THEIR and HIS kinds? Failure to identify these different kinds means that you cannot understand Genesis.

It's a pronoun! How are you getting all this from pronouns (which are distinctly hard to translate perfectly, and often impossible as languages vary). It's not even constant when referring to the same animal!

And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

What's more, the obvious pattern is that "he" corresponds to single nouns, and "they" to plural.

Aman:>>Genesis also shows that we live in a Multiverse with other Universes. Gen 1:8 and Gen 2:4

Wak:>>No, it does not. That is a mangling of both the Bible and of science.

False accusation since there are many differences. Genesis 1:8 shows that God (Elohim-The Trinity) made the first firmament, which He immersed completely in WATER on the 2nd Day and called it "Heaven".

Genesis 2:4 shows that Lord God (YHWH-Jesus) made other HeavenS on the 3rd Day, the SAME Day Adam's Earth was made. Gen 1:9-10

IOW, God the Trinity made the first world on the 2nd Day and Jesus made at least two other worlds on the 3rd Day. That makes at least 3 Universes/heavens within our Multiverse as I posted. You don't seem to know the difference between Jesus and God the Trinity.

That distinction is irrelevant. What matters is that this is a misrepresentation of multiverse theory as well as the Bible. A universe is not a "heaven"; a "heaven" is more like a place-where-things-are, like the sky or the land or the waters.

Aman:>>Genesis also shows that Adam, the first Human, was made the 3rd Day Gen 2:4-7 long BEFORE prehistoric man came forth from WATER on the 5th Day. Gen 1:21

Wak:>>This does not correspond to our current understanding of the development of humanity.

Amen. That's because today's Science doesn't know the difference between His and Their kinds. Their ignorance is "willing" since they REJECT God's Truth in favor of their False assumptions which are incomplete, untrue and dreamed up fantasies. God Bless you

So whenever science and the Bible match, it's a sign of God and Design. And when they don't match, it's because science is bad. Sure.

 

[Aman777]

Natural. Selection. Have you never heard of the term? Random mutations are then selected - those that increase the probability of the organism passing down the mutation spread throughout the population, and those that decrease it die out quickly. This passes information from the environment to the genetic code. It is not pure chance. No evolutionary scientist has ever claimed that pure chance alone created all the life that we see today.

Of course but what you are asking us to believe is that Humans evolved an intelligence comparable to God's naturally, from mindless Nature which does NOT have it. Plus, it cannot be repeated which is why it's a Theory, a Theory of Godless men who have rejected God's Truth of Creation. God Bless you

 

[Aman777]

Oh, I have also demonstrated that your claim that scientists only discovered that life came from water last year is totally wrong. Remember when I mentioned how Charles Darwin wrote of life coming from a warm little pond? Did he do that last year? I don't think so.

Darwin discovered that life came from water less than 200 years ago and godless men twisted his discovery in order to eliminate God from His own Creation....BUT...
in rejecting God's Truth, they FORGOT about the flood which totally destroyed Adam's Earth. The entire story of the Scoffers/Evols of the last days is told in ll Peter 3:3-7 and soon to be revealed to ALL flesh in the last days. Act 2:17 What will you say when Science announces what God told us 2800 years before Darwin, and which will soon be in agreement with Science. Will it shake up your world?

 

[Wakalix]

Of course but what you are asking us to believe is that Humans evolved an intelligence comparable to God's naturally, from mindless Nature which does NOT have it.

Yes. I am saying that intelligent life emerged from non-intelligent matter. This is the only way to actually explain intelligence, instead of passing the problem onto an even more unlikely intelligent deity.

Plus, it cannot be repeated which is why it's a Theory, a Theory of Godless men who have rejected God's Truth of Creation. God Bless you

You mean "that's why it's untestable." A theory is not necessarily untestable. And that's still wrong - not all historical claims are untestable. May your knowledge increase without end.

 

[AV1611VET]

I am saying that intelligent life emerged from non-intelligent matter.

Yup.

Some people get their intelligence from a rock; others get it from THE Rock.

 

[Wakalix]

Yup.

Some people get their intelligence from a rock; others get it from THE Rock.

Puns don't prove anything. And your humor is laughable, not laughter-inducing.

You imply that materially-derived intelligence is inferior to divinely-inspired intelligence? Perhaps, but we don't have any of the latter - we have no way of knowing!

 

[Kylie]

Darwin discovered that life came from water less than 200 years ago and godless men twisted his discovery in order to eliminate God from His own Creation....BUT...
in rejecting God's Truth, they FORGOT about the flood which totally destroyed Adam's Earth. The entire story of the Scoffers/Evols of the last days is told in ll Peter 3:3-7 and soon to be revealed to ALL flesh in the last days. Act 2:17 What will you say when Science announces what God told us 2800 years before Darwin, and which will soon be in agreement with Science. Will it shake up your world?

Wow, the lengths to which you will go to force the facts of the world to fit into your narrative are quite astounding. Not in a good way though.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

No, it is not loving in any way to say, "I wish for your own desires to become the same as mine, because mine are right and yours are wrong."

 

[Aman777]

Yes. I am saying that intelligent life emerged from non-intelligent matter. This is the only way to actually explain intelligence, instead of passing the problem onto an even more unlikely intelligent deity.

You mean "that's why it's untestable." A theory is not necessarily untestable. And that's still wrong - not all historical claims are untestable. May your knowledge increase without end.

Human intelligence MUST be inherited from Adam, since he was the ONLY Human for Billions of years. You don't seem to know that Humans are God's children, made FIRST long before ANY other living creature. Gen 2:4-7 Intelligence, like God's, Gen 3:22 has not and cannot be inherited from apes. Your precious theory is a half-truth which CANNOT be supported by History nor Scripture. Godless men took descent with modification within His and Their kinds and called it "evolution". Like their false theory, it is nothing more than a made up fantasy.

 

[Aman777]

Wow, the lengths to which you will go to force the facts of the world to fit into your narrative are quite astounding. Not in a good way though.

It's too bad that your "facts" don't agree with Scripture, science nor history. I'm sorry for your frustration. When you can find support for your ideas, please post supporting Scripture. God Bless you

 

[Wakalix]

Human intelligence MUST be inherited from Adam, since he was the ONLY Human for Billions of years. You don't seem to know that Humans are God's children, made FIRST long before ANY other living creature. Gen 2:4-7 Intelligence, like God's, Gen 3:22 has not and cannot be inherited from apes. Your precious theory is a half-truth which CANNOT be supported by History nor Scripture. Godless men took descent with modification within His and Their kinds and called it "evolution". Like their false theory, it is nothing more than a made up fantasy.

Or - there was no Adam! Humans weren't the first creatures! Once you scrap the literal interpretation of an ancient holy book, the problems all seem to go away.

 

[Wakalix]

It's too bad that your "facts" don't agree with Scripture, science nor history. I'm sorry for your frustration. When you can find support for your ideas, please post supporting Scripture. God Bless you

Because only an ancient holy book can be valid support for anything. Sure.

 

[Aman777]

Or - there was no Adam! Humans weren't the first creatures! Once you scrap the literal interpretation of an ancient holy book, the problems all seem to go away.

It's the best and ONLY evidence of life from before the Big Bang of our Cosmos. Adam was made with a mind like God's Gen 3:22 and he was the ONLY person made this way and he lived for Billions of years with Jesus. Adam lived in a perfect body, like Christians will have in Heaven and he was immortal until he sinned.

The ONLY way to be a Human is to have INHERITED Adam's superior intelligence. Mindless Nature cannot and did not magically evolve God's superior intelligence in Apes. Such naive thinking is that of the Scoffers of the last days, who forgot about the Flood when they dreamed up the False ToE. ll Peter 3:3-7 Are you a Scoffer? Do you believe God or the changeable knowledge of Science?

 

[Wakalix]

It's the best and ONLY evidence of life from before the Big Bang of our Cosmos.

It's not any evidence at all. And "the Bible is true" is not the default case, only disprovable by finding something that claims to know even more than the Bible does.

Adam was made with a mind like God's Gen 3:22 and he was the ONLY person made this way and he lived for Billions of years with Jesus. Adam lived in a perfect body, like Christians will have in Heaven and he was immortal until he sinned

This isn't even Christianity. I don't know what this is.

The ONLY way to be a Human is to have INHERITED Adam's superior intelligence.

Says who?

Mindless Nature cannot and did not magically evolve God's superior intelligence in Apes.

That's right - it wasn't magic, and it didn't evolve "God's intelligence". It simply evolved intelligence.

Such naive thinking is that of the Scoffers of the last days, who forgot about the Flood when they dreamed up the False ToE.

ll Peter 3:3-7 Are you a Scoffer?

Yes, I am a Scoffer. If "Scoffer" means "rejecting claims unsupported by evidence," then I will Scoff at unfalsifiable claims all day long.

Do you believe God or the changeable knowledge of Science?

Yay for change! Without it, we'd never be able to figure out our mistakes!

 

[Aman777]

Because only an ancient holy book can be valid support for anything. Sure.

It's God's Holy Word and your Judge at the Judgment. Jhn 12:48 God Bless you