How do YEC date an object?

[DailyBlessings]

If you do not write something down and post it, then I would not even know that you exist. Do you have a new way of teaching now where writing something down is not a part of the equation?

lol, there's this major discipline called archaeology...

 

[JohnR7]

lol, there's this major discipline called archaeology...

Can you tell me about archeology without writting anything down and posting it? Archeology btw was first used to show that the Bible was true. For example, people use to think that the story of Jericho was a myth. Then using archeology they discovered it was not only a real city, east of Jerusalem, is just so happens to be the oldest city known to exist. The Bible gives us some of the history of this city and tells us a little bit about it.

 

[Joman]

Joman, it is people like yourself who make any discussion in this area completely meaningless.

If what I said is meaningless, you wouldn't be responding.

So long as you hold on to your absolute falsehood that evolution is in some way the same as atheism you are going to consistantly find yourself at odds with just about everyone around you.

I have no misunderstanding concerning my being at odds with evolutionists, atheists and compromising theists.

There are many more Christians, globally, who accept evolution as God's method of creation than there are YECs.

Your 'the majority must be right' is recognized by seekers of truth as a foundation of sand and thus, to be avoided.

I work with quite a few theists of different faiths who have no problem in accepting evolution.

Your reliance on majority opinion is vain.

This from theistic geneticists who know that Goddidit as an answer is not satisfactory to any salient line of enquiry in the scientific field.

Believing the Bible is not a hinderance to scientific inquiry.

When I was a Christian I, and everyone I knew, accepted an old Earth and evolution.

You apparently didn't know everyone. Your reliance on what the majority around you thinks and believes is vanity.

My reasons for deconversion had absolutely nothing to do with science or anything like that.

I'd like to hear your reasons but, I suppose it would be off the point of this thread.

As someone who is now an outsider, I can tell you this. The biggest threat to Christianity today is fundamentalists who want to drive society back by about 800 years. This is the philosophy that causes most consternation to non-believers.

Unbelievers are full of consternation because they lack confidence in their hypothesis and their philosophy of life.

Ironically you do more damage to your own cause than the theory of evolution ever could, even if that were its objective. Which it isn't.

I'm not seeking everyone's agreement. I like God's way of sorting out people so I leave it to him. However, if evolutionists go on believing the lie of Satan it won't be because no one told them of their foolishness.

Joman.

 

[DailyBlessings]

Can you tell me about archeology without writting anything down and posting it? Archeology btw was first used to show that the Bible was true. For example, people use to think that the story of Jericho was a myth. Then using archeology they discovered it was not only a real city, east of Jerusalem, is just so happens to be the oldest city known to exist. The Bible gives us some of the history of this city and tells us a little bit about it.

Actually, archaeology was first used to establish the antiquity of man- stone lithics found imbedded with the bones of now-extinct animals at a gravel quarry in the Somme River Valley.

However, [wiki]Jericho[/wiki] was indeed the second archaeological site to be explored in the Holy Land, and you are sort of correct about it- though I'm curious as to why you would bring it up, since it is obviously older than 5,000 years. It's been continuously inhabited for longer than that. Oh, and no one thought it was a myth, since there is still a city there. You might be thinking of Hezekiah's tunnel.

And while you might not know anything about archaeology without doing a bit of reading, you could always drive to where I am, and I'd be happy to demonstrate archaeological methods in person. There's not a lot of guessing about our conclusions and you would be hard pressed to disprove the date on some places I've dug. When you have something dated by four or five different methods, which all agree, what is the margin of error?

 

[JohnR7]

I'm curious as to why you would bring it up, since it is obviously older than 5,000 years. It's been continuously inhabited for longer than that.

It is not a problem for me and I do not think that it is a problem for the Bible if the city of Jericho goes back 9000 years. This does not change the fact that Adam and Eve lived in the Garden in the Land of Eden around 6000 years ago. This does present a problem for some of the traditional understanding of our Bible. Jesus warns us to be careful of the traditions of man.

you could always drive to where I am, and I'd be happy to demonstrate archaeological methods in person.

Just where are you at? I would not mind learning more about archaeology. If you feel your dating methoids are accurate, that is fine, I have no problem with that. As you admit, I do not know what you do, so I can not make the same claims you can.

 

[LogicChristian]

I haven't any need to determine tlhe age of things and I know of no objective way to do so. Whereas, the evolutionist hasn't any choice but to beg and borrow as much time as possible. In the desperate search to establish the lie of Satan the evolutionists fail to recognize the flaws in their thinking. Nevertheless, it seems to me that, deep down inside his heart, the evolutionist is fully aware of his foolishness and is afraid of God, the Bible and the Christian. The abject fear they must be contending with never fails to reveal their unbidden acknowledgement that their theorizing is vain. It is evident in their scoffer's position, their desperately expressed need to outnumber opposition (which they emotively accept as evidence of the correctness of their viewpoint), their glee at having governmental support (without which they would be ignored for the insignificance of their hypothesis), and their refusal to be objective. They crudely mock others, they put words in people's mouths and then ctriticize what they say, and seldom fail to be accusatory (as is their master). I find that I must spell out everything for them since, it appears that they are not, either willing, or possibly not able to reason objectively.
The evolutionists express an expectation that eveyone should be as gullible as they are and overlook the fact that most of their reasonings are flawed and their tactics deceitful.
I have been given any reason by the evolutionists on this site to respect the evolutionists intellect, integrity nor hypothesis. Their intellect is voided by the foolishness of their beliefs and so they remain blind to the truth. They act like their spoiling for a fight but when challenged they immediately resort to others for "their" defense of the HoE.

When I look at the world around me I see it is as the Bible describes it. I find no compelling evidence, nor flawless reasoning that refutes the word of God.
This fact confirms the truth of God's word in my thinking. I have listened to what God has said and compared that with what I know of the world I live in, and I see that what God has said is indeed true.
One day the evolutionists knees will knock as loudly as Belshazzar's did.

Joman.

What about those Christians that believe in evolution as well, like me?

 

[DailyBlessings]

Just where are you at? I would not mind learning more about archaeology. If you feel your dating methoids are accurate, that is fine, I have no problem with that. As you admit, I do not know what you do, so I can not make the same claims you can.

Far away from Ohio But there is archaeology where you are, too. Why not volunteer at a dig some summer? The ground you walk on was part of a grand empire a millenium ago.

 

[JohnR7]

The ground you walk on was part of a grand empire a millenium ago.

Not where I live, this is a cross road and so no one could claim it for a permanent settlement. Not untell the US Government came along and declared it the western reserve. In fact the peice of land that was given to my family is still in the family somewhere on my mom's side.

Most of what is here for me to study is where they cut the new bridge in across the river and where they cut the expressway in, when they built it. About all there is to see is muck left from the glaciers and a layer of conglomerate stone that they tell me use to be the bottom of the river before the glaciers came along.

 

[Joman]

So YEC have no need to know the dates of things,

First of all your desire to apply what I say to other people reveals to me that you are very biased.

Why is that?

I’am without any need to determine the age of things around me because I accept the testimony of the Bible as to the age of created things. I already know that the efforts of heathens to establish lies is doomed to failure. I know that the age of created things cannot be scientifically proven. And, I know why the situation is as it is.

Are they not curious how old the walls of jericho are?

I already know that the age of the fallen walls of Jericho is approximately 4500 yrs ago. Carbon dating isn’t accurate enough to trust but, the testimony of scripture is.

are they not interested in the history of human culture and the world around us?

Do you really think people are interested in the history of mankind? Anyway, what I note about your question, is that, you applied my statement about not having any need to determine the age of things to archeology which is off the point.

Joman.

 

[Joman]

I mean't to say 3500 years ago.

Thank you.

Joman.

 

[LogicChristian]

I’am without any need to determine the age of things around me because I accept the testimony of the Bible as to the age of created things. I already know that the efforts of heathens to establish lies is doomed to failure. I know that the age of created things cannot be scientifically proven. And, I know why the situation is as it is.

So is all knowledge learned independently ove the Bible useless?

 

[Joman]

What about those Christians that believe in evolution as well, like me?

I've been told by moderators that I shouldn't comment on the spiritual condition of other posters.
Otherwise, I'd attempt to set you straight.

Joman.

 

[Joman]

So is all knowledge learned independently of the Bible useless?

No.

Joman.

 

[Hydra009]

So YEC have no need to know the dates of things, why is that? Are they not curious how old the walls of jericho are? are they not interested in the history of human culture and the world around us?

I was wondering that too - guess it just isn't seen as very important.

It's pretty funny that they're absolutely sure the Earth is around 6,000 years old and yet can't figure out how to date anything at all.

 

[Joman]

It's pretty funny that they're absolutely sure the Earth is around 6,000 years old and yet can't figure out how to date anything at all.

The Bible never states no implies in any way that the earth is 6000 years old.
The history of mankind is however approximately 6000 years old.
The certainty I have is due to the fact that the Bible (AV) is testimonial in it's essence.

Joman.

 

[LogicChristian]

No.

Joman.

Then why do you accept the Bible as a work of science over actual science?

 

[LogicChristian]

I've been told by moderators that I shouldn't comment on the spiritual condition of other posters.
Otherwise, I'd attempt to set you straight.

Joman.

So you can't be a Christian and believe in evolution?

 

[Joman]

Then why do you accept the Bible as a work of science over actual science?

I'm unaware of any science that refutes anything in the AV Bible.

Joman.

 

[Joman]

So you can't be a Christian and believe in evolution?

I'm not allowed to say. Sorry.
Why worry about it? People who compromise truth feel a lot better if they remain ignorant.

Joman.

 

[LogicChristian]

I'm unaware of any science that refutes anything in the AV Bible.

Joman.

From your posts, it would seem your interpretation of the Bible has many disagreements with observed reality.