How do we know . . . .

[Uphill Battle]

What 'agenda'? I ask you again what does it matter what I believe in if we're all 'saved'?

So if I don't believe in 'horse dung' you agree with what I believe in?




Do you see any silliness in directing someone to a web-site to help them read when you don't think that they can read?

perhaps this will help.

http://rhlschool.com/reading.htm

 

[Montalban]

perhaps this will help.

http://rhlschool.com/reading.htm

Ah, now you make it ironic. I already replied to this when I said....

Do you see any silliness in directing someone to a web-site to help them read when you don't think that they can read?

And you didn't read that! Hence the irony of you recommending that improve my reading!

 

[Montalban]

Still Protestants seem to have a basic problem with the understanding

"All Scripture is inspired by God"

with

"All of God's inspired (message) is in Scripture"



I go back to where Paul himself wrote to a church to keep to the traditions he had taught them by both Epistle and word of mouth.

Paul saw them of equal value.

Protestants do not.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Still Protestants seem to have a basic problem with the understanding

"All Scripture is inspired by God"

with

"All of God's inspired (message) is in Scripture"

Obviously the latter is WRONG.

 

[Montalban]

Obviously the latter is WRONG.

And you get the reasons why... because it is!

 

[Montalban]

Sunlover1 claimed that the message taught by Paul in both Scripture and by word is EXACTLY the same.

Based on what?

 

[racer]

What I wrote:



Seems pretty simple to me.

Like 1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1=

Ever here of Apostolic Succession?

If you check with RCC or EOC or OOC you will find that their Bishops/Patriarchs have a line of succession going all the way back to an Apostle.

So, you don't recognize the flaw in this assertion. You said there was ONE church that the apostles wrote about then you go on to identify three different churches as that one church. The math doesn't work.

I would then ask if you understand that Matthias had hands laid on him with his ordination in Acts 1. But that would be lengthy because of Sola Scriptura that would argue it. Funny thing Sola Scriptura... it lacks truth because it lacks cohesion.

Yet you find cohesion in the math equation, 1+1+1=1. . . hmmm . . . interesting.

The problem does not lie with Sola Scriptura. Problems arise from misrepresentation and abuse of the doctrine.

 

[racer]

Even though scripture tells you it is?

Forgive me...

Show me where Scripture says that the church is the "truth."

 

[racer]

With differing views of what "The Church" is.

Who didn't know that?

Forgive me...

Well, I think it leaves with more than one differing belief.

 

[Montalban]

Show me where Scripture says that the church is the "truth."

You have the offices of deacon, priest and bishop in the NT and Paul telling the Hebrews to obey their elders.

Do you think that ended when the Book of Acts finishes?

Why would Jesus appoint a select few and instruct them, and they would then choose others, and then, guided by the Holy Spirit they go out to teach, and then suddenly it stops?

 

[JacktheCatholic]

So, you don't recognize the flaw in this assertion. You said there was ONE church that the apostles wrote about then you go on to identify three different churches as that one church. The math doesn't work.

That is because we see RCC and EOC and OOC as being One Church... CATHOLIC.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

The problem does not lie with Sola Scriptura. Problems arise from misrepresentation and abuse of the doctrine.

Yes and Sola Scriptura lead to ----> misrepresentation and abuse of the doctrine

 

[racer]

Nor do I, The Church has the authority. And she is the author of the NT.

Forgive me...

How do you know the church has the authority?

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Show me where Scripture says that the church is the "truth."

1Ti 3:15But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

Forgive me..

 

[racer]

Because that which is false does not produce 50,000,000 martyrs in one century, selflessness, unceasing prayer to the Holy Trinity, humility, meekness, love, or the gifts of the Spirit.

Love,
Christina

Do you really think it's whoever has the most numbers is what counts and what identifies the church. Other churches have martyrs, and there will be many more before Jesus returns. Do you think all of those things are specific to your church?

 

[JacktheCatholic]

*Cough*

[bible]1 timothy 3:15[/bible]

 

[Montalban]

How do you know the church has the authority?

It compiled the very Bible we read.

Jesus commissioned the Apostles to go out and teach in His name.

He also promised them the Holy Spirit

 

[racer]

1Ti 3:15But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

Forgive me..

So, you consider the words “pillar and ground” synonymous with “truth.” Do you really have that much difficulty discerning Scripture? How do you figure that when Scripture says the church is the “pillar and ground” “OF” it’s saying that the Church “IS” truth?

 

[Montalban]

So, you consider the words “pillar and ground” synonymous with “truth.”

One only has to remember that the Apostles are the 'foundation' of the Church and Jesus talked of the houses built on different foundations for you to realise this.

 

[racer]

*Cough*

[bible]1 timothy 3:15[/bible]

Redundant errancy--even when one only seeks to be sarcastic--only doubles the embarassment.

Being the "pillar and ground" of truth is "NOT" the same as being "THE" truth.

Still feeling snide?