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Interesting from Douay-Rheims Bible Version.

Isaiah 40:22 DRB
22 It is he that sitteth upon the globe of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as locusts: he that stretcheth out the heavens as nothing, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in.

I think in modern English, someone might say "that is the sphere of influence."

The Hebrew seems to imply a circle as in "orbit."

What a mistranslation!
 
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What a mistranslation!
Many take the word to mean "vault." Could be!

Proverbs 15:22 KJV
22 Without counsel purposes are disappointed: but in the multitude of counsellors they are established.

There is some more good evidence for sphere or globe.

Peshitta Holy Bible Translated
And him who sits on the sphere of The Earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretched out the Heavens like a vaulted bowl, and stretched them out as a tent for a dwelling

Jamieson, Fausset and Brown Commentary
Isaiah 40:22.
circle — applicable to the globular form of the earth, above which, and the vault of sky around it, He sits. For “upon” translate “above.”

Scofield Reference Bible Notes
circle

A remarkable reference to the sphericity of the earth. See, also, Isa_42:5; Isa_44:24; Isa_51:13; Job_9:8; Psa_104:2; Jer_10:12.

John Gill's Exposition of the Bible
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth,.... Or, "the globe (z)" of it; for the earth is spherical or globular: not a flat plain, but round, hung as a ball in the air; here Jehovah sits as the Lord and Sovereign;
(z) על חוג "super sphaeram", Pagninus; "globum",

Matthew Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible
The heaven and the earth themselves are under his management: He sits upon the circle, or globe, of the earth, Isa_40:22. He that has the special residence of his glory in the upper world maintains a dominion over this lower world, gives law to it, and directs all the motions of it to his own glory. He sits undisturbed upon the earth, and so establishes it.

Barnes:
The circle of the earth - Or rather, "above" (על ‛al) the circle of the earth. The word rendered 'circle' (חוּג chûg) denotes "a circle, sphere, or arch"; and is applied to the arch or vault of the heavens,...

Dake's Study Notes (Finis Dake)
b [circle] Hebrew: chuwg (H2329). Translated "circle" (Isa_40:22); "circuit" (Job_22:14); and "compass" (Psa_8:1-9 :27). This word revealed that the earth was round, long before men generally accepted

class, group activity ; group, circle (of people) ; (geography) tropic, sphere

Rabbi in Torah Study, Yeshiva

Sphere of the Earth. חוג הארץ. Yeshayahu/Isaiah 40:22
Yes! Amazingly, Yeshayahu wrote the earth was round, a חוג, a sphere, before anyone else knew that. Well before the Greeks. Isaiah wrote the earth was a sphere c. 710 BC, 350 years before Plato wrote it in Phaedo in c. 360 BC.
You can see the correct Hebrew translation of the word חוג here. מילון ותרגום מורפיקס Morfix Dictionary | חוג באנגלית
The word חוג Chug in Yeshayahu 40:22 means Sphere. The round globe of Earth.
Circle of earth is not a correct translation. It says in verse 40:22: Chug Ha’aretz, which means Sphere of the Earth. Not simply circle.
The word מעגל, Ma’agal circle, was not written here. As you can see here, מעגל Ma’agal means circle: מילון ותרגום מורפיקס Morfix Dictionary | מַעְגָּל באנגלית
But Yeshayahu was very particular with his word choice of חוג Chug, which is a sphere.

Francesca Maria
Literary Agent and Author Rep at Book Publishing (2015–present)
"It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers [etc.]" Isaiah 40:22 (NKJ).
When Isaiah wrote this verse, he used the Hebrew word "khug" to describe the shape of the earth. Although this word is commonly translated into the English word "circle," the literal meaning of this word is "a sphere.” Meaning a roundish shape. In the Italian translation, the word is “globo,” which is the Latin derivative of where we get the word “Globe

Jeff Johnson 50 plus years of being a Bible Student at TMS & 4 PSS School(Graduated 1978)
What is the shape of the earth?
In ancient times, many people thought that the earth was flat. In the fifth century B.C.E., Greek scientists suggested that it was a sphere. But long before that—in the eighth century B.C.E.—the Bible writer Isaiah referred to “the circle of the earth,” using a word that may also be rendered “sphere.”—Isaiah 40:22
“There is One who is dwelling above the circle of the earth.” (Isaiah 40:22) The Hebrew word chugh, here translated “circle,” may also be rendered “sphere.”3 Other Bible translations read, “the globe of the earth” (Douay Version) and “the round earth.”—Moffatt.

Barbara LeMaster
...the Bible writer Isaiah referred to “the circle of the earth,” using a word that may also be rendered “sphere.”—Isaiah 40:22
The Hebrew word chugh, here translated as “circle,” may be rendered “sphere.” Interestingly, only a spherical object appears as a circle from every angle. Far ahead of his time... the prophet Isaiah recorded a statement that is scientifically sound and free from ancient myths.

A Concordance of the Hebrew and Chaldee Scriptures by B. Davidson as “circle, sphere.” This same Hebrew word for circle is found in Job 22:14 and is there translated in many different translations as, “vault” or “dome”, indicating depth. In harmony with this fact, when Isaiah 40:22 says “circle of the earth, then the word “circle” here is in the same Hebrew sense as that found in Job 22:14. So it follows that the word “circle” in Isaiah 40:22 must mean something that is spherical. At the time this is far from what others believed as to the shape of the earth. So this, among other things shows that the Bible is in harmony with scientific facts.
 
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Many take the word to mean "vault." Could be!

Proverbs 15:22 KJV
22 Without counsel purposes are disappointed: but in the multitude of counsellors they are established.

There is some more good evidence for sphere or globe.

Peshitta Holy Bible Translated
And him who sits on the sphere of The Earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretched out the Heavens like a vaulted bowl, and stretched them out as a tent for a dwelling

Jamieson, Fausset and Brown Commentary
Isaiah 40:22.
circle — applicable to the globular form of the earth, above which, and the vault of sky around it, He sits. For “upon” translate “above.”

Scofield Reference Bible Notes
circle

A remarkable reference to the sphericity of the earth. See, also, Isa_42:5; Isa_44:24; Isa_51:13; Job_9:8; Psa_104:2; Jer_10:12.

John Gill's Exposition of the Bible
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth,.... Or, "the globe (z)" of it; for the earth is spherical or globular: not a flat plain, but round, hung as a ball in the air; here Jehovah sits as the Lord and Sovereign;
(z) על חוג "super sphaeram", Pagninus; "globum",

Matthew Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible
The heaven and the earth themselves are under his management: He sits upon the circle, or globe, of the earth, Isa_40:22. He that has the special residence of his glory in the upper world maintains a dominion over this lower world, gives law to it, and directs all the motions of it to his own glory. He sits undisturbed upon the earth, and so establishes it.

Barnes:
The circle of the earth - Or rather, "above" (על ‛al) the circle of the earth. The word rendered 'circle' (חוּג chûg) denotes "a circle, sphere, or arch"; and is applied to the arch or vault of the heavens,...

Dake's Study Notes (Finis Dake)
b [circle] Hebrew: chuwg (H2329). Translated "circle" (Isa_40:22); "circuit" (Job_22:14); and "compass" (Psa_8:1-9 :27). This word revealed that the earth was round, long before men generally accepted

class, group activity ; group, circle (of people) ; (geography) tropic, sphere

Rabbi in Torah Study, Yeshiva

Sphere of the Earth. חוג הארץ. Yeshayahu/Isaiah 40:22
Yes! Amazingly, Yeshayahu wrote the earth was round, a חוג, a sphere, before anyone else knew that. Well before the Greeks. Isaiah wrote the earth was a sphere c. 710 BC, 350 years before Plato wrote it in Phaedo in c. 360 BC.
You can see the correct Hebrew translation of the word חוג here. מילון ותרגום מורפיקס Morfix Dictionary | חוג באנגלית
The word חוג Chug in Yeshayahu 40:22 means Sphere. The round globe of Earth.
Circle of earth is not a correct translation. It says in verse 40:22: Chug Ha’aretz, which means Sphere of the Earth. Not simply circle.
The word מעגל, Ma’agal circle, was not written here. As you can see here, מעגל Ma’agal means circle: מילון ותרגום מורפיקס Morfix Dictionary | מַעְגָּל באנגלית
But Yeshayahu was very particular with his word choice of חוג Chug, which is a sphere.

Francesca Maria
Literary Agent and Author Rep at Book Publishing (2015–present)
"It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers [etc.]" Isaiah 40:22 (NKJ).
When Isaiah wrote this verse, he used the Hebrew word "khug" to describe the shape of the earth. Although this word is commonly translated into the English word "circle," the literal meaning of this word is "a sphere.” Meaning a roundish shape. In the Italian translation, the word is “globo,” which is the Latin derivative of where we get the word “Globe

Jeff Johnson 50 plus years of being a Bible Student at TMS & 4 PSS School(Graduated 1978)
What is the shape of the earth?
In ancient times, many people thought that the earth was flat. In the fifth century B.C.E., Greek scientists suggested that it was a sphere. But long before that—in the eighth century B.C.E.—the Bible writer Isaiah referred to “the circle of the earth,” using a word that may also be rendered “sphere.”—Isaiah 40:22
“There is One who is dwelling above the circle of the earth.” (Isaiah 40:22) The Hebrew word chugh, here translated “circle,” may also be rendered “sphere.”3 Other Bible translations read, “the globe of the earth” (Douay Version) and “the round earth.”—Moffatt.

Barbara LeMaster
...the Bible writer Isaiah referred to “the circle of the earth,” using a word that may also be rendered “sphere.”—Isaiah 40:22
The Hebrew word chugh, here translated as “circle,” may be rendered “sphere.” Interestingly, only a spherical object appears as a circle from every angle. Far ahead of his time... the prophet Isaiah recorded a statement that is scientifically sound and free from ancient myths.

A Concordance of the Hebrew and Chaldee Scriptures by B. Davidson as “circle, sphere.” This same Hebrew word for circle is found in Job 22:14 and is there translated in many different translations as, “vault” or “dome”, indicating depth. In harmony with this fact, when Isaiah 40:22 says “circle of the earth, then the word “circle” here is in the same Hebrew sense as that found in Job 22:14. So it follows that the word “circle” in Isaiah 40:22 must mean something that is spherical. At the time this is far from what others believed as to the shape of the earth. So this, among other things shows that the Bible is in harmony with scientific facts.
I"ll go there too, but you don't need the Bible to figure this out, yet so many have and continue to mistranslate. Just cause so and so taught or teaches this, doe not make it right.


Ball vs. Circle​


What's the Difference?​


Ball and circle are both round shapes, but they have some key differences. A ball is a three-dimensional shape that is solid and can roll, bounce, or be thrown. On the other hand, a circle is a two-dimensional shape that is flat and can be drawn or traced. While both shapes have a curved perimeter, a ball has a curved surface area while a circle does not. Additionally, a ball is often used in sports and games, while a circle is commonly used in geometry and design.

Difference Between Circle and Sphere​




To call a circle a sphere or a globe would be the same as calling a triangle a pyramid. Makes zero sense, really nonsense.
 
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To call a circle a sphere or a globe would be the same as calling a triangle a pyramid. Makes zero sense, really nonsense
Since no one is doing that, I don't see your problem. Any way you look at a globe you see a circle, so the expression "circle of the earth" makes perfect sense if the earth is a globe. The orbit of the earth around the sun can also be described as a "circuit", which also perfectly matches another definition of the Hebrew word, so "circle of the earth" and "circuit of the earth" both make total sense in the heliocentric model.
 
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This picture isn't in there.
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Never said it was and since it is more than likely a nasa product , it would not be listed in the paintings

It is a simple fact people can paint hyper realistic paintings
No doubt, but you claimed that the picture above was a painting. You've provided no evidence to support such a claim.
 
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No doubt, but you claimed that the picture above was a painting. You've provided no evidence to support such a claim.
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That is because i can not provide evidence to a person who is not open to viewing this space stuff with an open mind.

I mean i could have posted a photo of a person painting the exact picture and you would just turn around and say. He is just copying from the real photo to produce paintings for sale.

So for people like you i try and prove nothing. If you do not have the observational skills, i can not help you.
 
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That is because i can not provide evidence to a person who is not open to viewing this space stuff with an open mind.

I mean i could have posted a photo of a person painting the exact picture and you would just turn around and say. He is just copying from the real photo to produce paintings for sale.

So for people like you i try and prove nothing. If you do not have the observational skills, i can not help you.
Lol, this is the same as saying, "I don't have any evidence for my conjecture; I just believe that it's not true, therefore it cannot be."

The burden of proof is on you to back up your assertation with evidence, calibrated eyes notwithstanding!
 
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When we study God's creation i.e insects etc God gives us the mind for future inventions e.g Birds gave us flight like biology gave us cures for many diseases.

I wonder, what inspired the rocket & space ?
 
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When we study God's creation i.e insects etc God gives us the mind for future inventions e.g Birds gave us flight like biology gave us cures for many diseases.

I wonder, what inspired the rocket & space ?
Possibly the bombardier beetle? However, I would say that you are going too far if you are suggesting that every invention has some equivalent in the world of living creatures. Just some examples of inventions with no equivalent (as far as I am aware) in the world of zoology: the internet, radio and television, mobile phones, printing, microwaves, microscopes.
 
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Just some examples of inventions with no equivalent (as far as I am aware) in the world of zoology: the internet, radio and television, mobile phones, printing, microwaves, microscopes.

Not only zoology but biology also.
I thought the internet or computer might have been from the study of the brain & radio from the hearing & microscopes from the eyes.

Microwaves & printing. not sure where they might have originated from.
 
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Not only zoology but biology also.
I thought the internet or computer might have been from the study of the brain & radio from the hearing & microscopes from the eyes.

Microwaves & printing. not sure where they might have originated from.
Thanks. I don't know, so I cannot be dogmatic, but I don't think people like Charles Babbage and others who were involved in the development of computers looked into how the brain worked for ideas on how to develop their notions.
 
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Thanks. I don't know, so I cannot be dogmatic, but I don't think people like Charles Babbage and others who were involved in the development of computers looked into how the brain worked for ideas on how to develop their notions.

Well it's the first place I'd look.

Computers have memory, data, executes instructions, a main circuit board & much more that imitates the brain.
 
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Well it's the first place I'd look.

Computers have memory, data, executes instructions, a main circuit board & much more that imitates the brain.
True, but I wonder how much Charles Babbage (1791-1871) knew about how the brain works, to be able to use such knowledge as a basis for his "Difference Engine." I understand that rather he based it on how the Jacquard loom worked.
 
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True, but I wonder how much Charles Babbage (1791-1871) knew about how the brain works, to be able to use such knowledge as a basis for his "Difference Engine." I understand that rather he based it on how the Jacquard loom worked.

During the period of 1791-1871, there was growing interest in understanding the brain, with notable figures like Charles Babbage (1791-1871) exploring the potential for mechanical "brains" and others studying the nervous system and its functions.
 
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