How do I know im saved???

[Mark Quayle]

There is no ultimately save, that happens. A believer at the very moment of faith in Jesus, crosses over from death to life.

Do you hold, then, that the believer who has crossed over from death to life, and cross back over to death?

Is his faith, then, generated by the believer, or by the Spirit of God IN the believer?

 

[bbbbbbb]

There is nowhere in The Bible where it is stated a person receives God's free gift of Eternal life by saying to Jesus "Lord, Lord". The verse list works these people did, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles? But what is missing is, not a single mention of these people. Where in these verses state, that these people believed in Jesus name.

Actually further down in this set of verse Jesus states He never knew them. Showing that they were never a permanent born again child of God.

And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’

Really?

Romans 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

 

[Mark Quayle]

Really?

Romans 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

How do you qualify "believe in your heart"? Is saying the words with your mouth, "confessing"?

 

[bbbbbbb]

How do you qualify "believe in your heart"? Is saying the words with your mouth, "confessing"?

I suppose you ought to ask the author of that statement rather than myself. I was merely replying to d taylor's post, where he wrote, "There is nowhere in The Bible where it is stated a person receives God's free gift of Eternal life by saying to Jesus "Lord, Lord"." The simple fact is that there is somewhere in the Bible (particularly Romans 10:9) where the acknowledgement of Jesus Christ as Lord does result in salvation. You, and/or he, may wish to insist that salvation and eternal life are two entirely different things.

 

[d taylor]

Really?

Romans 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

How do you qualify "believe in your heart"? Is saying the words with your mouth, "confessing"?

Romans 10:9 is addressed to believers telling them how to receive physical salvation from harm.

Has This Passage Ever Bothered You? – Romans 10:9-10 – Grace Evangelical Society

Why Confess Christ? The Use and Abuse of Romans 10:9-10 – Grace Evangelical Society

Justification by Faith and Salvation by Works? — The Key to Understanding Romans 10:9-10 – Grace Evangelical Society

 

[d taylor]

Do you hold, then, that the believer who has crossed over from death to life, and cross back over to death?

Is his faith, then, generated by the believer, or by the Spirit of God IN the believer?

The faith John used to believe, when he was a child, there was a santa claus. Is the same faith he uses to believe now as an adult. To believe in Jesus for Eternal Life salvation.

The only difference was as a child his faith was in the lie told by adults, that there was a real santa claus.
But now his faith is in a promise made by God and God can not lie.

 

[Mark Quayle]

Romans 10:9 is addressed to believers telling them how to receive physical salvation from harm.

Has This Passage Ever Bothered You? – Romans 10:9-10 – Grace Evangelical Society

Why Confess Christ? The Use and Abuse of Romans 10:9-10 – Grace Evangelical Society

Justification by Faith and Salvation by Works? — The Key to Understanding Romans 10:9-10 – Grace Evangelical Society

non-answer

 

[Mark Quayle]

The faith John used to believe, when he was a child, there was a santa claus. Is the same faith he uses to believe now as an adult. To believe in Jesus for Eternal Life salvation.

The only difference was as a child his faith was in the lie told by adults, that there was a real santa claus.
But now his faith is in a promise made by God and God can not lie.

So I guess you are saying that yes, it is self-generated faith, and yes, he can lose salvation, since it is related to something he regenerates, not generated by the Spirit of God. Good luck with that.

 

[d taylor]

So I guess you are saying that yes, it is self-generated faith, and yes, he can lose salvation, since it is related to something he regenerates, not generated by the Spirit of God. Good luck with that.

No a believer can never become an un-born again child of God.

 

[d taylor]

non-answer

The post answers\ed perfectly why Romans 10:9 is not telling unbelievers how to receive Eternal Life salvation. But instead is telling believers how to receive physical salvation from harm.

What, then, does verse 9 mean? Doesn’t it condition salvation upon both faith and confession? The key is in understanding the theme of Romans. Paul was writing to tell his believing Roman readers how one can escape (i.e., be saved from) the wrath of God temporally and eternally. He reminded them that one escapes the eternal wrath of God simply by believing in Christ as his Savior. He also taught them that one escapes the wrath of God here and now by living a godly life (cf. Rom. 1:18ff.) A believer is thus secure eternally but not temporally. That is, nothing a believer can do can lead to his experiencing the eternal wrath of God (Rom. 8:38-39). However, believers can and do experience the wrath of God here and now by sinning. The more we sin the more we experience God’s loving discipline.

 

[Valletta]

One can argue that the RCC places its faith in works and in the Church, but the Protestant faith places its faith in Jesus Christ.

Catholics PLACE OUR FAITH IN GOD, not in works. In fact, our very Creed begins with the following words: I believe in God, the Father Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth, and in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord . . .

As to being saved, we are through the sacrament of Baptism, and although we may fall God continues to save us.

1 Pet 3:20-21 God patiently waited in the days of Noah during the building of the ark, in which a few persons, eight in all, were saved through water. This prefigured baptism, which saves you now.

 

[Ain't Zwinglian]

No a believer can never become an un-born again child of God.

What?

What about Simon Magnus? The text says very clearly in Acts 8:13 Simon himself "BELIEVED" and was "baptized." And who baptized Simon? Peter or John.

He then fell away from the faith and Peter said to him (8:21) "You have no part or share in this ministry, because your heart is not right before God."

And what does Jesus say about the heart?

Matthew 15: 18-19 But the things that come out of a person’s mouth come from the heart, and these defile them. For out of the heart come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander.

The parable of the sower applies to EVERYBODY.

 

[d taylor]

What?

What about Simon Magnus? The text says very clearly in Acts 8:13 Simon himself "BELIEVED" and was "baptized." And who baptized Simon? Peter or John.

He then fell away from the faith and Peter said to him (8:21) "You have no part or share in this ministry, because your heart is not right before God."

And what does Jesus say about the heart?

Matthew 15: 18-19 But the things that come out of a person’s mouth come from the heart, and these defile them. For out of the heart come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander.

The parable of the sower applies to EVERYBODY.

A born again child of God can not become an un-born again person, there are no examples in The Bible. Only people who their theology has taught that, people have lost their born again life.

 

[Ain't Zwinglian]

A born again child of God can not become an un-born again person, there are no examples in The Bible.

I just gave you an example. The text of Scripture CLEARLY states that Simon 'BELIEVED."

 

[d taylor]

I just gave you an example. The text of Scripture CLEARLY states that Simon 'BELIEVED."

Show where simon lost his born again life.

 

[Ain't Zwinglian]

Show where simon lost his born again life.

Context. Context. Context. What does Peter say to Simon, eight verses later?

(8:21) "You have no part or share in this ministry, because your heart is not right before God."

Simon gets booted from all church activities....a sort of excommunication.

And what does the Scriptures say about the heart that is not right before God?

• Matthew 15: 18-19 But the things that come out of a person’s mouth come from the heart, and these defile them. For out of the HEART come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander.
• Matthew 12:34 You brood of vipers, how can you, being evil, speak what is good? For the mouth speaks out of that which fills the HEART.
• Romans 1:21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish HEART were darkened.
• Romans 1:24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their HEART to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.
• Romans 2:5 But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant HEART, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed.

The "heart" like Paul's usage of the word "flesh" is universally negative in Scripture, except where there is faith.

Matthew 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.

SIMON DID NOT HAVE A PURE HEART. This ain't rocket science.

 

[Lukaris]

Reading John 14:1-31 & John 15:1-27 can be most helpful in understanding salvation & the Trinity. The Lord says keeeping His commandments in John 14:15-18 & Trinity is actually present in these passages. Also John 14:26 & John 15:26 have Trinitarian explanation.

The commandments the Lord expects of us are in various places like Romans 13:8-10 for ex. My work break is over….,

 

[bbbbbbb]

non-answer

I agree with you entirely. He simply fulfilled my last statement in my post by presenting an argument to differentiate between salvation and eternal life.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Catholics PLACE OUR FAITH IN GOD, not in works. In fact, our very Creed begins with the following words: I believe in God, the Father Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth, and in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord . . .

As to being saved, we are through the sacrament of Baptism, and although we may fall God continues to save us.

1 Pet 3:20-21 God patiently waited in the days of Noah during the building of the ark, in which a few persons, eight in all, were saved through water. This prefigured baptism, which saves you now.

My argument was not that Catholics do not have faith in Jesus Christ (they most assuredly do) but that some would argue that the Catholic faith is not a genuine saving faith in contrast to their own saving faith. As I also state, the Catholic Church has judged all other Christian faith as being inadequate because it and it alone possesses "the fullness of salvation".

 

[bbbbbbb]

I just gave you an example. The text of Scripture CLEARLY states that Simon 'BELIEVED."

Of course, the counterargument is that Simon did not possess "saving faith", even though the Apostles accepted his profession of faith and baptized him as a believer.