Yes, I think that Christians do exactly that but the polls include the opinions of long dead people and the material in biblical texts.Do we determine our beliefs based on polls?
Indeed polls on what people believe are useful.No, but we do determine people's beliefs that way.
Homosexuality and the Bible by the late Walter Wink,
Former Professor of Biblical Interpretation, Auburn Theological Seminary, New York City.
http://www.stpetersloganville.org/images/Homosexuality_and_the_Bible.pdf
I have not tried to convince the OP that homosexuality is OK. Rather, I've tried to warn him that much of his audience will disagree with him, and suggest that he consider what outcome he wants. He's certainly free to say that much of his audience isn't Christian. That's likely to have consequences, but there are plenty of people who think that Church would be better off with only people who believe the right thing. It's a rational position, which you can find Scriptural support for (though I don't think Paul advocated it).Indeed polls on what people believe are useful.
I love it when an atheist tries to use a "Biblical study" to support their position (from the pdf.)I think that the best Biblical study on this issue is found here:
Hello everyone I am in need of seasoned advice. Today in Youth Group in which I help lead we went over the topic of Homosexuality and what the Bible had to say about it as well as what the official doctrine of the Universal church had to say. Needless to say I don't feel that the other Youth Leaders and myself did a very good job of explaining homosexuality and why is it considered wrong. Some like myself were after of offending others and kinda had this mentality that well it's 2020 and it's ok in the west to be in a homosexual relationship. I tried the best I could to explain how God is loving but that homosexuality was a demonic manifestation and lie. At the end of it they still believed that love was love. Do any of you have any experience witnessing to homosexuals or how do we stand firm on the truth but present it in love?
mental health issues and more were all addressed by Jesus
How do you expect the homosexual to change their mind while they are still a sinner? They wouldn't see your attempts to point out that it's wrong as anything else but condemnation and quickly turn away.Hello everyone I am in need of seasoned advice. Today in Youth Group in which I help lead we went over the topic of Homosexuality and what the Bible had to say about it as well as what the official doctrine of the Universal church had to say. Needless to say I don't feel that the other Youth Leaders and myself did a very good job of explaining homosexuality and why is it considered wrong. Some like myself were after of offending others and kinda had this mentality that well it's 2020 and it's ok in the west to be in a homosexual relationship. I tried the best I could to explain how God is loving but that homosexuality was a demonic manifestation and lie. At the end of it they still believed that love was love. Do any of you have any experience witnessing to homosexuals or how do we stand firm on the truth but present it in love?
Walter Wink was not an atheist. False attacks on the character of someone you disagree with normally weaken your case. Actually even true attacks on motivation are considered a logical fallacy, but false ones are self-defeating.I love it when an atheist tries to use a "Biblical study" to support their position (from the pdf.)
"No doubt Paul was unaware of the distinction between sexual orientation, over which one has apparently very little choice, and sexual behavior, over which one does."
No doubt this 'reverend' is not a believer that the Bible is the Word of God.......can't even give this a 'nice try'.......
Did I say he was an atheist? Maybe go back and re-read what I wrote before diving in head first. I statedWalter Wink was not an atheist. False attacks on the character of someone you disagree with normally weaken your case. Actually even true attacks on motivation are considered a logical fallacy, but false ones are self-defeating.
There are many people in this world who claim to be 'christian' but don't accept the Bible as the Word of God.....No doubt this 'reverend' is not a believer that the Bible is the Word of God
Heck off, I came on here to get correction and spiritual support so I can learn from what happened today, not to be put down by a jerk like you.Did you actually say I tried the best I could to explain how God is loving but that homosexuality was a demonic manifestation and lie.
What qualifies you as a "youth leader"?
@Rawtheran forgot to add this to my first post to you:
Did you speak with your senior pastor or elders before attempting this in youth group? I’m sure your church has a stance on this.
I know all church groups to include small groups when reaching sensitive topics seek out the pastor and elders when coming up with a lesson plan.
I would be curious as to why she thought that was OK in a christian church. Either she was very new to Christianity or biblical teachings were not communicated well. BTW, I spent 15 years in a Nazarene church so I am quite familiar with their very conservative outlook on things....We did not seek out the church board or the Pastor mainly because this topic was something that just came up today out of the blue when a woman brought her girlfriend to the youth group
That would have been helpful to include in the original post. That post made it sound like you gave a prepared sermon that fell completely flat instead.We made it clear about what our church doctrine was concerning the belief in homosexuality and marriage. We did not seek out the church board or the Pastor mainly because this topic was something that just came up today out of the blue when a woman brought her girlfriend to the youth group
The girl who has been attending our church is really new to christianity and ironically her "girlfriend" is Catholic so she very much understood where church doctrine stood on homosexuality. And to be honest the Church of the Nazarene isn't really as conservative as it used to be at least not among members and Pastors who are 20-50.I would be curious as to why she thought that was OK in a christian church. Either she was very new to Christianity or biblical teachings were not communicated well. BTW, I spent 15 years in a Nazarene church so I am quite familiar with their very conservative outlook on things....
No it was not a sermon it was a discussion. Truthfully no one was prepared because what happened today was a real shockerThat would have been helpful to include in the original post. That post made it sound like you gave a prepared sermon that fell completely flat instead.
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