How do creationists answer these questions: Are you an Ape? A Mammal? A Vertebrate?

Doveaman · Nov 13, 2013

verysincere said:
Richard Dawkins' "I am an ape" video on Youtube delivers a strong message. Dr. Dawkins tells a clergyman, "I am an ape. Are you an ape?" The pastor says, "No. I am absolutely NOT an ape."

Even if I was an ape, I would still have been created from dust rather than evolved.

AV1611VET · Nov 13, 2013

Doveaman said:
Even if I was an ape, I would still have been created from dust rather than evolved.

Dawkins can think he's an ape if he wants to, but we know better.

In fact, Solomon says ...

Ecclesiastes 7:29a Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright;

Subduction Zone · Nov 13, 2013

AV1611VET said:
Dawkins can think he's an ape if he wants to, but we know better.

In fact, Solomon says ...

Ecclesiastes 7:29a Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright;

But you are an ape. We knew that long before Darwin came around. The first person to realize that we were apes was a creationist.

A very very rare one. He was honest.

AV1611VET · Nov 13, 2013

Subduction Zone said:
But you are an ape.

Not hardly ... I don't care what my wife says.

Subduction Zone said:
We knew that long before Darwin came around.

Ain't he the guy that wrote, The Preservation of Favoured Races?

Subduction Zone said:
The first person to realize that we were apes was a creationist.

There are two types of creationists: right and wrong.

Subduction Zone said:
A very very rare one.

I'm sure.

Subduction Zone said:
He was honest.

Cute.

Subduction Zone · Nov 13, 2013

AV1611VET said:
Not hardly ... I don't care what my wife says.

Your wife has nothing to say about it. You do not have one biological feature that separates you from other apes. Which is lucky for you. If you weren't an ape you would not have the ability to father any children with your wife.

Ain't he the guy that wrote, The Preservation of Favoured Races?

No. Linnaeus had nothing to do with that. And you are not being honest by using an old version of Darwin's title. Race did not mean then what it means today. You are attempting to break the Ninth Commandment. Naughty, naughty.

There are two types of creationists: right and wrong.

No, they are wrong and less wrong. Linnaeus was less wrong.

I'm sure.

Cute.

What? Don't like it when your face is rubbed in the dishonesty of all creationists?

Doveaman · Nov 14, 2013

Subduction Zone said:
You do not have one biological feature that separates you from other apes.

Humans have two hands.

Apes have four.

This photo below is one of the right hands of an ape, the right rear hand.

Subduction Zone · Nov 14, 2013

Doveaman said:
Humans have two hands.

Apes have four.

This photo below is one of the right hands of an ape, the right rear hand.

Nope, apes have two hands and two feet. A prehensile toe does not change a foot into a hand.

Try again.

Loudmouth · Nov 14, 2013

Doveaman said:
Humans have two hands.

Apes have four.

This photo below is one of the right hands of an ape, the right rear hand.

Are you having a tough time differentiating between hands and feet in this photo?

Herman Hedning · Nov 14, 2013

AV1611VET said:
Dawkins can think he's an ape if he wants to, but we know better.

In fact, Solomon says ...

Ecclesiastes 7:29a Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright;

So, what are you saying with this quote? That Dawkins is dishonest? That he is not upright?

AV1611VET · Nov 14, 2013

Herman Hedning said:
So, what are you saying with this quote? That Dawkins is dishonest? That he is not upright?

Dawkins, by his own admission, is lost.

That means that the best he can do is rely on scientiae tantum as his highest morals.

Doveaman · Nov 14, 2013

Subduction Zone said:
Nope, apes have two hands and two feet.

I see four hands.

If it looks like a hand and functions like a hand, it is a hand.

A prehensile toe does not change a foot into a hand.

But five prehensile fingers makes it a hand.

Doveaman · Nov 14, 2013

Loudmouth said:
Are you having a tough time differentiating between hands and feet in this photo?

Yes.

KWCrazy · Nov 14, 2013

Loudmouth said:

UGH! I did NOT need to see Al Gore naked!!

Aman777 · Nov 14, 2013

Subduction Zone said:
But you are an ape. We knew that long before Darwin came around. The first person to realize that we were apes was a creationist.

A very very rare one. He was honest.

Dear Subduction Zone, He was not a Bible believing Creationist. Scripture shows that Humans were made Billions of years before Apes. Genesis 2:4-7 This means that it is impossible for Humans, who were First Born, to have evolved from the common ancestor of Apes. It's the Biggest Lie in Human history, and completely false scripturally, scientifically and historically.

Humans are NOT Apes but we are destined to have dominion over them for ever. Genesis 1:28 Evols should quit telling their Lies to our children.

In Love,
Aman

Doveaman · Nov 14, 2013

Subduction Zone said:
You do not have one biological feature that separates you from other apes.

Humans do not have prehensile feet.

Subduction Zone · Nov 14, 2013

Doveaman said:
Humans do not have prehensile feet.

You mean a prehensile toe. There are humans that have prehensile feet. They make do when either birth defects or accidents take away their hands.

I guess I should have said "significant". The difference between two animals of a toe may be enough to judge them as different species, but it is not large enough to put them in separate families.

The creationist Christian Linnaeus realized that we were apes long before Darwin came along.

AV1611VET · Nov 14, 2013

Subduction Zone said:
The creationist Christian Linnaeus realized that we were apes long before Darwin came along.

His wife probably called him that.

USincognito · Nov 14, 2013

Subduction Zone said:
You mean a prehensile toe. There are humans that have prehensile feet. They make do when either birth defects or accidents take away their hands.

If drop something and I'm not wearing shoes, it's a lot easier on my back for me to pick it up with my toes (plural/or feet) than to bend over or squat down and pick it up.

I guess Doveaman has never seen people who live in tropical environments climb palm and coconut trees. They use their feet just as our fellow apes do.

essentialsaltes · Nov 15, 2013

Doveaman said:
I see four hands.

If it looks like a hand and functions like a hand, it is a hand.
But five prehensile fingers makes it a hand.

Arguing about definitions of hand and foot is a little silly. Perhaps the important thing to note is the great similarities between the underlying structures of that-thing-on-the-end-of-the-forelimb among many different living vertebrates.

Whether you want to call a bat's wing a 'hand' or not is not as important as seeing that these structures have the same bones in the same pattern as our own hands.

Humans are not bats because we do not have webbed forelimbs. But we are primates, because we have the characteristics that define that group. As Linnaeus wrote, "It is not pleasing to me that I must place humans among the primates, but man is intimately familiar with himself. Let's not quibble over words. It will be the same to me whatever name is applied. But I desperately seek from you and from the whole world a general difference between men and simians from the principles of Natural History. I certainly know of none."

So whether you want to call a primate by any other name, man will remain a primate "whatever name is applied."

ThinkForYourself · Nov 15, 2013

Doveaman said:
Humans do not have prehensile feet.

Excellent example of evolution Doveaman.

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