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How do Breakdown Matthew 24 & 25

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How To Divide Jesus’ Great End-Time Prophecy

Matthew 24 and 25. These two chapters deal with prophecies concerning (1) the Jews, (2) the church, and (3) the Gentiles. Aside from what is found in the book of Revelation, these two chapters contain the most significant prophecies for our present age. Whereas the book of Revelation gives details, the Gospel of Matthew treats only of principles. These two chapters are not easy to read. In general, there are three varied schools of thought: (a) that all which is prophesied here pertains to the church, as advocated by Benjamin Newton; (b) that all in these chapters is related to the Jews, as championed by John Nelson Darby and C. I. Scofield; and (c) that some of the material in these two chapters concerns the church, as we maintain. The reason for such differences lies in one’s understanding of who or what the disciples stand for: whether (a) the disciples represent the church; (b) the disciples symbolize the Jews; or (c) the disciples signify the Jewish remnant as well as the pillars of the church.

How to divide these two chapters is of utmost importance, else we will be confused by the first two schools.

Let us retrace our steps and review the background for these two chapters, as furnished for the reader of this Gospel in chapters 21 to 23. As recorded in 21.43 the Lord prophesies that the kingdom of God will be taken away from the Jews. In 22.21 we see that He charges the Jews to be submissive to the Gentile power. And in 23 we observe Him chiding the Pharisees. The “house” in 23.38 is the same as the “temple” in 24.1. There it should be stated as “my Father’s house”—but it has come to be termed “your house”. All this indicates that the Lord has clearly rejected the children of Israel. Such, then, is the background.

Before the Lord are two classes of people: (1) the rejected Jews, and (2) a nation that can bear fruits (21.43). In this connection, therefore, the disciples may represent (a) the Jewish remnant, and (b) the called out ones. Accordingly, we have a combination of the Jews and the church. It is highly important for us to find out which section relates to the Jews and which relates to the church. In our view (and in the view of others too, such as D. M. Panton who felt that 24.31 is a distinctive line of demarcation), 24.1-31 pertains to the Jews, while 24.32-25.46 pertains to the church. This division is based on internal as well as external evidences, as follows.

A. 24.1-31 concerns the Jews, since everything here is literally interpreted; but 24.32-25.46 concerns the church since everything there is spiritually interpreted. For example, “winter” in verse 20 is literal since it is in actual fact a difficult thing to flee in the winter (“sabbath” too is literal); “summer” in verse 32, however, is to be spiritually interpreted since it points to the soon coming of the kingdom (while the “fig tree” refers to the nation of Israel). Or as another example, in verse 26 “the inner chambers” must be interpreted literally, whereas in verse 43 “the house” is to be interpreted spiritually. Hence what concerns the Jews is to be literally interpreted; but what concerns the church is to be spiritually interpreted (see Matt. 13.11-13).

B. The part before 24.31 is full of Jewish background, as is made clear by the usage of such terms as “the holy place” (v.15), “in Judea” (v.16), and “sabbath” (v.20); but the part after 24.31 is plainly without any localized restriction in its terminology.

C. The things mentioned before 24.31 are physical in nature, whereas all those things mentioned afterwards are moral in character. For instance, the nations, the mothers with children, and the children mentioned in the first part are all physical or literal in meaning; yet the virgins, the servants and the householder, and the goats and the sheep cited in chapter 25 have moral implications about them. In addition, “go . . . forth” in 24.26 and “went forth” in 25.1 are different in character, with the former being literal and the latter being moral in their implications.

D. Before 24.31 there is no moral demand included; what is required is to flee. But after 24.31 there are moral demands presented, such as watch, be ready, and so forth—which actions are the responsibilities of the saints at the end time.

E. Since the Jews are still expecting the Messiah, there are false Christs being mentioned before 24.31; but there is no word about false Christs after 24.31, because the latter part is addressed to the church.

F. Matthew 25.31-46 is to the Church about the nations. No such stipulation is given to the Jews.
 

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The material was not originally about us, so it is not the most important prophecy for us today.

Some of your distinctions are helpful, like summer vs winter. I'm very glad you started back in 21 with the vineyard parable. So simple to do, and it changes so much about what we see in 24.

If you do history first and then theology, you will probably see the thing very differently. Through v29 is all about the 1st century rebellious situation simmering for decades. We also know it is anchored in the 1st century because of the similarities to ch 10, which you didn't mention.

It is not that difficult to notice that the setting is very Judean and at-hand until v29. To me, this marks a 24A distinct from 24B.

After that, it is worldwide and applies to all mankind. Judean references disappear.

All through A, one difficulty is layering or looping. He takes a topic and says things will happen in that "category" (upheaval, persecution, 'acts of God') and then starts over on another topic. They are not in sequence to each other. In B, there are similarities about being attentive etc in both cases (in both the 1st century tumult and in the 2nd coming). The advice is nearly the same.

The AofD, v15, is from Dan 8-9 where the theme starts as the rebellion that desolates, 8:13. To go by Josephus commentary, it was widely held that as the 490 years ended in the 1st century, there would be a horrible leader of Israel that would ruin it. Caiaphas also mentions some of this in Jn 12, 18, 19. He thought he could save Israel with a political sacrifice (Christ), but the comments are based on a death-sentence feeling that it's going to happen anyway.
 
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This material is for us today and speaks of not only the time between Jesus and the destruction of the 2nd Temple, but also the church age and Daniel's last seven at the end of this age. Here is short summary of the breakdown....

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And this is the best line by line study of Matthew 24 & 25 ever produced by a Christian. Line by line study of Matt. 24 & 25 --- It is 100% accurate. Very precise.
 
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The following is a worksheet I put together for a Home Bible Study.

In Matthew chapter 24, Christ gives an explanation to four of His disciples.

Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

1st Question: ________________________________________________

Christ has just told them the temple would be destroyed in the previous verse.



2nd Question: _______________________________________________

The Greek word “parousia” is used throughout the New Testament to describe His Second Coming.

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Do New Testament and historical writings show that Jesus answered the first question within the first half of Matthew, chapter 24?

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Mat 24:5For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Act 8:9But there was a certain man, called Simon, which beforetime in the same city used sorcery, and bewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one:(Simon Magus was a deceiver. Confirmed by Jerome.)

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Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for allthese thingsmust come to pass, but the end is not yet.

During 66 AD the Roman 12th Legion under the command of Cestius Gallus surrounded the city of Jerusalem. For some unknown reason, he ordered his army to stop the seige. During the retreat the Romans were attacked by the Jews, who killed thousands of the Roman soldiers. (Josephus, War 2.19.7, 540) (Tacitus, The Histories V)

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Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

There was a devastating earthquake around 60-62 AD that destroyed much of Colossae, Laodicea, and Hierapolis. This was recorded by Tacitus in his writings as being during the 7th year of Nero.

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Mat 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

The New Testament records the persecution of the early Christians, mainly by the Jews.

This is described specifically in Mark’s Gospel.

Mar 13:9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.

The Apostle Paul confirms that he fulfilled this persecution.

Act 22:19 And I said, Lord, they know that I imprisoned and beat in every synagogue them that believed on thee:

Act 22:20 And when the blood of thy martyr Stephen was shed, I also was standing by, and consenting unto his death, and kept the raiment of them that slew him.

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Mat 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Col_4:14 Luke, the beloved physician, and Demas, greet you.

2Ti_4:10 For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world, and is departed unto Thessalonica; Crescens to Galatia, Titus unto Dalmatia.

1Jn_4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

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Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Was the Gospel preached into every nation in the modern world? No.

However, according to Paul it was preached into every nation of his known world.

Col 1:5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;

Col 1:6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:

Col 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;



Luk 2:1 And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed.

Does this include Alaska and South America ???

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Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

Mat 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

Mat 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

Mat 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

We know sometime before the final siege of 70 AD the early Christians left the city of Jerusalem. Did they heed the warning in Matthew 24?

A parallel study of the three Gospel accounts reveals the Abomination of Desolation.

During the time of Christ, the Jews celebrated Hanukka. He was well aware of the first occurrence of the Abomination of Desolation in the temple, when Antiochus Epiphanes set up a statue of Zeus (He had previously claimed he was Zeus) in the temple and had a pig slaughtered on the altar, during 167 BC.

Hanukkah celebrates the cleansing and rededication of the temple which occurred three years after the abomination of desolation by Antiochus in 167 BC. (See John 10:22.)

Therefore, Christ was predicting a second occurrence of the Abomination of Desolation in the Olivet Discourse.

Several events could be a possible desecration of the temple during 70 AD. The Roman standards were posted at the temple site. Sacrifices were made to Titus at the temple site. Also, the behavior of the zealots within the temple itself during the siege is regarded by many as a desecration of the temple.

Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

Mar 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh(near).
Luk 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

Luke’s account above clearly states that the desolation would be near the time that Jerusalem was surrounded by armies.


We know the early Christians did flee from Jerusalem before the final siege.
Notice that the same warning to flee is found after each phrase containing the word "desolation".
This shows that Matthew 24:15, Mark 13:14, and Luke 21:20 are all referring to the same event.

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Luk 19:41 And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,

Luk 19:42 Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the thingswhich belongunto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.

Luk 19:43For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,
(We find the same word “compass” here found in Luke 21:20.)

Luk 19:44And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.



While He was being taken to the Cross, Jesus warned the women who were weeping for him about what was to come. During this warning He makes a reference similar to that found in Matthew 24:19, about nursing mothers. This warning is also specifically made to these women and their children.

During the siege of 70 AD some women ate their own children, due to the lack of food during the siege.

Luk 23:28 But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.

Luk 23:29 For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.

Almost all scholars agree that the following verse is a specific reference to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.

Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.


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What do we find in the last half of Matthew chapter 24?

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Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.



Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.



Mat 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

Mat 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near,even at the doors.

Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.



Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.



Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Mat 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Mat 24:41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Based on the language and the context in verses 24:38-39, what happens to those taken in verses 24:40-41?

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Mat 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

Mat 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

Mat 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

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Did Christ give the disciples signs to look for, in His answer to the first question? _____

Explain your answer. ____________________________________________________



Did Christ give the disciples signs to look for in His answer to the second question? ____

Explain your answer. ____________________________________________________

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The disciples asked two questions and Jesus answered two questions in the Olivet Discourse.


The first question was about the events of 70 AD and lie in the past.


The second question is about Christ’s Second Coming and lies in the future.


Most Futurists ignore the first question and most Preterists ignore the second question.

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One cannot get a correct interpretation of the passage without both questions and both answers.

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Introduction: the Disciples’ Threefold Question, 24.1-3

v. 1 When the disciples look back at the temple, they feel glorious about it. No other nation on earth has such a holy place. The stones at the outside are ground so smoothly that they are exquisitely beautiful. The vessels of fine gold in the house glitter brightly and are of exceeding worth.

v.2 “See ye not all these things?”—Do not the “these things” here point to the huge stones and the golden vessels? For the Lord knows their mind well.

“Verily I say unto you . . . that shall not be thrown down”—What men see are the outward and the temporary, but the Lord with His spiritual insight sees through the visible. In the eyes of men today how very beautiful is the world and how civilized it is in material things. Yet by seeing with the spiritual eye of the Lord, man can recognize the fact that the earth with all its material objects will eventually be burned. Why then should we believers still mind the things of earth? Then too, typologically speaking, the holy temple may represent the church. How much of today’s church remains only in name but has lost her reality. She maintains her services just like the temple of old.

Why does the Lord ask the question of the disciples and give the kind of response that He does? His very asking indicates that unless His disciples adopt the same attitude as He has, they will not be able to understand prophecy. People who are occupied with the world will not think of prophecy. The disciples are unable to obtain the light of prophecy through reading because they are blinded by the light emitted by the world. They do not know that, however good the world is, the day shall come when all will be consumed by fire.

Why does the Lord say here that such a beautiful temple will be left desolate to the children of Israel? Simply because the glory of the temple is not in gold, silver and treasures, but in the presence of the Lord. If the Lord is gone, what use is the temple with its gold and treasures of the world? And hence these things ought not be left behind for us to contemplate. Let us, as God’s temple, be careful as to whether we have the presence of God or are merely maintaining an outward appearance.

“There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down”—In 70 A.D. this was fulfilled literally. The Roman soldiers under General Titus broke into Jerusalem, burned the temple, and scraped off all the gold which overlaid the stones by turning them over after the gold had melted into crevices between the stones.

v.3 “He sat on the mount of Olives”—The Gospel according to Matthew mentions “mountain” eight times, and each time it is connected with something special. Especially on two of these occasions we find that there is some similarity in the situation—namely, those of 5.1 and 24.3. On the mountain mentioned in 5.1 (even though it is not specifically named), the Lord declares the law of the kingdom of heaven, lays down the prerequisites for entering the kingdom, and unveils the fact of co-reigning with Him in the future. On the Mount of Olives (24.3) we shall notice that He concentrates on prophecies such as those concerning rapture, tribulation, and judgment.

Why speak on the mountain? Since the hearers must needs climb the mountain, this signifies the paying of a cost. All who are not willing to pay the cost cannot be expected to understand prophecy. The reason people do not like to listen to prophecy or deny the fact of the second coming is because they are unwilling to climb the mountain and pay the cost. There is quietness on the mountain, so too was there quietness on the isle on which John received the contents of the book of Revelation. The clamorous are not fit for studying prophecy.

The question of the disciples is threefold: (1) When shall these things be? (2) What shall be the sign of Your coming? and (3) What shall be the sign of the end of the world? These three should not be mixed up. In answering the disciples, our Lord replies one by one in three different parts. Regarding the answer to the first question, both Mark and Luke record it in great detail. Since Matthew’s treatment is of a much broader scope, his record of this first question should be supplemented by Mark’s and Luke’s accounts in this particular area. Neither Mark nor Luke, however, treat directly the Lord’s answers to the two other questions of the disciples, though there is no lack of teaching on their part concerning them. This is simply because Luke’s primary objective, for example, is not rapture.
 
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You're doing a bit of finding a personal growth reading of the text. That is not the first meaning. The first meaning is direct and ordinary: this devastation (predicted since Dan 8-9) is going to happen shortly and he wants to protect his people.

The first meaning of the material is not us. It is about them and that generation.
 
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Let us retrace our steps and review the background for these two chapters, as furnished for the reader of this Gospel in chapters 21 to 23. As recorded in 21.43 the Lord prophesies that the kingdom of God will be taken away from the Jews.

Are you saying Matt 21:43 stands as already fulfilled?
 
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Are you saying Matt 21:43 stands as already fulfilled?
Yes Jesus said the Jews who reject Christ "The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof" (Matt. 2.43).

This is not to say a remnant of Jews will not be remnant in Israel that make up the nation of Israel (Rev. 7.1-8). But the Church has received beforehand the blessing of the kingdom of God, that is, not just the outward appearance we see today, but also a deeper inner knowing in the Lord by the Holy Spirit indwelling and infilling.
 
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The Kingdom of Heaven and the Kingdom of God

Let us review the things we have already seen previously concerning the kingdom of heaven. After the birth of Christ, there comes one who prepares the way for Him. His name is John, and he proclaims that the kingdom of heaven is at hand. The Lord, together with the apostles whom He sends forth, announce the same news. What does it mean? Later on, as noted in chapters 8 and 9, we see that the Lord heals the sick and casts out demons, and that all these are closely related to the nearness of the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5-7 speaks of the nature of the kingdom of heaven: which is, that those who belong to this kingdom are absolutely righteous towards themselves, absolutely gracious towards others, and absolutely pure towards God. In Matthew 10 we learn that the Lord sends out His apostles. And in Matthew 11-12 we see that a great transition begins occurring, as though the kingdom of heaven is now being taken away from the Jews.

Now with regard to the kingdom of heaven found spoken of in Matthew 13, some interpreters have asserted that the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven are the kingdom of heaven in mystery. Such an assertion is logically unsound when it is held up against all the things which we have just seen: how that both John and the Lord as well as His disciples proclaim that the kingdom of heaven is at hand, how that the Lord then announces the nature or character of this kingdom, and how after He is rejected by the children of Israel He in the thirteenth chapter is found declaring only the outward boundary of this kingdom (what we see in this age being but the outward appearance). So that chapter 13 does not deal with the character or nature of the kingdom of heaven, for this has already been described in Matthew 5-7.

Some, on the other hand, contend that all who desire to enter the kingdom of heaven mentioned in chapter 13 must possess the character of the kingdom of heaven as laid down in chapters 5-7. This interpretation again is impossible to accept, since in chapter 13 we have presented the tares, the leaven, and so forth as being in the kingdom of heaven. So that this chapter presents to us nothing but the outward appearance of the kingdom of heaven.

The kingdom of heaven is not the millennial kingdom; it is the reigning in the millennial kingdom. Let us see that the kingdom of heaven has three different aspects.

(1) An outward appearance, boundary, or scope as is shown to us in Matthew 13.

(2) A spiritual reality, that is to say, a kind of spiritual conduct which is formed as a result of learning righteousness and grace progressively under the authority of God and which is elucidated for us in Matthew 5-7; and

(3) A reigning with Christ in the future millennial kingdom as revealed in the fact of our future reward as told to us in Matthew 5-7.


Accordingly, we must first of all enter into the sphere or boundary of this kingdom of heaven by being sons of the kingdom; then secondly, we need to have the kind of conduct described for us in Matthew 5-7 – which is to have real spiritual conduct; and lastly, as a consequence we may reign with the Lord.

Today there are three different kinds of people:

(1) those who have entered within the sphere of the kingdom of heaven and yet unsaved; these are represented by tares.

(2) those who have been saved and are in the domain of the kingdom of heaven, ye they fail to keep the teaching of Matthew 5-7.

(3) those who are saved and also keep the teaching of Matthew 5-7; they truly overcome, and therefore in the future they shall reign with the Lord in the third stage or aspect of the kingdom of heaven.


A Comparison Between the Kingdom of Heaven and the Kingdom of God

The kingdom of heaven and the kingdom of God are distinguishable but are not separable. Let us consider in some detail these two descriptive phrases found in Scriptures.

(1) With certain parables Matthew employs the statement “The kingdom of heaven is likened unto . . . “; but Luke uses the words “The kingdom of God is like. . . . “ for the same parables – thus indicating that the kingdom of heaven and the kingdom of God are one and the same. Both the kingdom of God and the kingdom of heaven in these parallel instances refer to the outward domain of the kingdom. On this level, it can be said that the outward appearances of both the kingdom of heaven and the kingdom of God are alike. Parables such as that of the leaven belong to this category.

(2) Yet the kingdom of heaven and the kingdom of God are not synonymous with respect to the second aspect of the kingdom of heaven, inasmuch as what is described in Matthew 5-7 speaks of actual overt behavior whereas “the kingdom of God is righteous and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit” (Rom. 14.17). The one stresses spiritual conduct; the other inner spiritual condition.

(3) Even so, in the third aspect of the kingdom of heaven is again similar to the kingdom of God since both refer to the matter of reigning during the millennial kingdom.

Though the kingdom of God and the kingdom of heaven are similar as regards the first aspect, the kingdom of God covers also the time of which the prophets in the Old Testament speak – for whenever the sovereignty of God is present, His domain is there at the same time. But this characteristic is not applicable to the kingdom of heaven.

With regard to the third aspect, it is true that the kingdom of God is the same as the kingdom of heaven in that both refer to ruling with Christ in the millennium; yet the kingdom of God extends further on into eternity since in eternity God also reigns – but by that time the kingdom of heaven will have passed away. With respect to the third aspect, therefore, the kingdom of God exists longer than the kingdom of heaven.

In certain sense it can be said that the kingdom of God includes the kingdom of heaven, but not vic versa.

So far as the outward official history of the church on earth goes today, there can be said to be the Roman Catholic Church, the national churches, and the private churches. The Roman Catholic Church claims that the entire world is under her domain and that no national church is therefore allowed. The national church such as the Anglican Church asserts that every citizen of the nation belongs to the Church. But due to dissatisfaction with the national churches, there came into being the so-called private churches.

As regards to the outward sphere, as long as people say they are Christians, no one can drive them out of the kingdom of heaven; for the Lord has not promised to weed out the tares today. At communion or the Lord’s Table or the breaking of bread, however, the church may indeed weed out or separate the unsaved and the wicked from the saved ones. So that in the outward appearance of the kingdom of heaven, such as in a national church, unbelieving people may be included therein, but in the sphere of the believing assembly an unsaved person may be excluded from fellowship. This clarifies the two totally different spheres: that of the outward appearance of the kingdom of heaven and that of the church. Within the boundary of the outward appearance of the kingdom of heaven there may be tares; but within the churches the body of Christ there is only wheat no tares.
 
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Accepting wrote:
it is the reigning in the millennial kingdom.

I have no idea what you mean. Don't insert the mill here, it just confuses the historical meaning. The Greek term for kingdom is more of a verb--the reign or reigning or rule of.

Accepting:
The one stresses spiritual conduct; the other inner spiritual condition.


This is not worth considering. The NT doesn't read like this with fine hair-splitting etc. Sorry, no can do. Likewise with the "external boundary" thingie. You're thinking about it too much.

It's simply the reign of God because of the compelling message of his love in the Gospel, so that without tearing down existing authorities like Rome, Paul still appeals to individuals in Rome to obey this other kingdom, as in Acts 24:25.
 
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parousia70 said:
Are you saying Matt 21:43 stands as already fulfilled?

Yes Jesus said the Jews who reject Christ "The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof" (Matt. 2.43).

Are you absolutely sure it's already been fulfilled?
Do you realize the mechanism/event prophesied that needed to happen in order to accomplish this particular "taking and giving" of the Kingdom?

Matt 21:40-46

40 “Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those vinedressers?”

41 They said to Him, “He will destroy those wicked men miserably, and lease his vineyard to other vinedressers who will render to him the fruits in their seasons.”

42 Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures:

‘The stone which the builders rejected
Has become the chief cornerstone.
This was the Lord’s doing,
And it is marvelous in our eyes’?

43 “Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it. 44 And whoever falls on this stone will be broken; but on whomever it falls, it will grind him to powder.”

45 Now when the chief priests and Pharisees heard His parables, they understood that He was speaking of them. 46 But when they sought to lay hands on Him, they feared the multitudes, because they took Him for a prophet.

So, to be absolutely clear...

Are you claiming that the event of the "coming of the owner of the vineyard"(vs 40) to "Destroy those wicked men" (Chief priests and pharisees vs. 45) and "lease his vineyard to other vinedressers/take the kingdom from them and give it to another nation" (vs 41 cf. 43)
Has already taken place?

Are you sure?
 
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It is not a kingdom as seen in the ordinary way. it is not made by human hands.
It is a kingdom in the ordinary way, for the 2nd aspect is a literal reigning with a "rod of iron". Literally Christians will be the presidents, prime-ministers, ministers, and mayors.

This is the reward given in Rev. 2.26,27; 20.4-6.
 
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It is a kingdom in the ordinary way, for the 2nd aspect is a literal reigning with a "rod of iron". Literally Christians will be the presidents, prime-ministers, ministers, and mayors.

This is the reward given in Rev. 2.26,27; 20.4-6.

Ruling with a rod of Iron does not mean threatening others with a tree branch, like an old country school teacher.

The potter destroys the imperfect pots with the rod of iron.

When Christ returns, He will be bring in the New Heavens and the New Earth.
There will not be anyone in flesh bodies left. They will be destroyed by the fire.

He destroyed both sin and death at the Cross.
His kingdom is forever.



1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.



2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,


2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God,
and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:


2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;


2Th 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.



Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

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Accepting,
I can allow one thought in your direction, which is not original to me. It is that any current society is indeed stable as long as it is basically adhering to God's essential commands. The conservative rabbi Dennis Prager writes that the 10 commands essentially are summarized by 'do not steal' which would apply between God and mankind and between humans, of course. If God alone is to be worshiped, it would be "theft" to worship others, etc.

If this is the 'rod of iron' then it is a way for the nations to be ruled and stable. Some individual Christians may indeed be very good at enacting such things. But no, the Rev is not the literal piece of writing you are thinking.
 
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Ruling with a rod of iron may seem threatening to you because you are in your flesh,
Ruling with a rod of Iron does not mean threatening others with a tree branch, like an old country school teacher.

The potter destroys the imperfect pots with the rod of iron.

When Christ returns, He will be bring in the New Heavens and the New Earth.
There will not be anyone in flesh bodies left. They will be destroyed by the fire.

He destroyed both sin and death at the Cross.
His kingdom is forever.



1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.



2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,


2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God,
and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:


2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;


2Th 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.



Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

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Ruling with a rod of iron may seem threatening to you because you are in your flesh, but the reason why Jesus and His overcomers reign over the nations with a "rod of iron" is because though there are no more wars, people are still rebellious to God.

At the end of the 1000 years Satan is let out for a brief period before being thrown into Hell to show: 1) he will never repent, 2) man still had yet some hidden sin, and 3) God's good pleasure in the New Earth without sin or presence of Satan.
 
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Outer darkness has no fire or furnace about it like Hell does. Outer darkness is mentioned 3 times in the Bible by name. It is outside the light of reward of reigning with Christ for 1000 years.

Think of cabin beautifully lit at night. People in are inside fellowshipping. But you are outside in the darkness not allowed in like the 5 unwise virgins. You may be saved but are not allowed in. When they come out at the end of the 1000 years, you can join them into the New City and New Earth.

Or it is like painting a house. If you are sloppy and not careful, you get paint all over yourself. Before you can go for dinner after in the marriage feast, you must use some solvent or gasoline to get the paint to come off before you can enter the shower. It stings and it is your discipline in outer darkness, losing rewards.
 
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