How did we get here?

[TLK Valentine]

Who do you think I am? Harold Camping?

Please answer this:

Are dispensationalists supposed to know when their dispensation ends?

They invented it; it'd be nice if they finished the job.

Nothing more frustrating than an unfinished work of fiction, is there?

 

[Loudmouth]

For Creationists, the answer is easy- God made Adam and Eve. That case is closed.

It's too easy, and too dogmatic. That would be the problem. It really doesn't explain anything. As an explanation it ranks up there with "It's magic". IOW, not a very satisfactory answer for those who are truly curious as to how we got here.

But for evolutionists the answer is not so easily put forth. Evolutionists always seem to respond with something along the lines of "ToE doesn't deal with origins..." But I want to know what evolutionists actually think about the matter. Where did that supposed common ancestor come from? If all life shares this supposed CA (common ancestor), where did it come from?

For the evolutionists, evolutionary mechanisms are satisfactory as an explanation of how we got here as a proximal cause. Imagine if you asked a geologist how a rock got here. He would probably tell you about different erosional and sedimentary processes that are needed for a given sedimentary rock. He might explain how compaction of sand grains is necessary for making sandstone, for example. I think he would be quite confused if you then said, "That's not what I meant. I meant where did matter come from that eventually made the rock". You are no longer asking a geologist about a geology question. In the same way, asking an evoutionist about the origin of life is not a question about evolution.

I know that evolutionists first response will be "ToE doesn't deal with that..." I want to say rubbish. You must have some theory, idea, guess, or hypothosis of everything came from and how every life form got started and I would like you to share that.

Given that evolutionists includes people of all faiths I would think that there is no single agreement on where everything came from between them.

 

[juvenissun]

Still confusing evolution with atheism?

Not confusion. I WANT TO put them together. Of course, you don't have to. But I think you are compromising.

 

[juvenissun]

I'm not sure what belief has to do with anything, nor is it clear why you keep referring to evolution in your posts. I think what you're asking is "What do scientists say about how we got here?" If so, science has no clear answer at this point. Science assumes (as it always does when it questions nature) that natural causes led to the origin of life, but there is at present no well-supported theory about how that happened. There are lots of interesting and promising ideas about how life could have arisen naturally on earth, but also many sticking points and inconsistencies between the ideas. Fundamentally, the scientific answer is, "We don't know." And of course, there is always the possibility that scientific explanations could break down entirely.

This is a very good answer. However, I will make a short summary of it:

Evolutionists do not know how did life begin.

That makes a good answer to the OP.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Not confusion. I WANT TO put them together.

I'm sure it's far simpler and more convenient than reality, isn't it?

 

[juvenissun]

I'm sure it's far simpler and more convenient than reality, isn't it?

YOU are one of my example, an evolutionist AND an atheist. That is the way it should be.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

Evolutionists do not know how did life begin.

And neither do you.

 

[pgp_protector]

YOU are one of my example, an evolutionist AND an atheist. That is the way it should be.

Actually they're labeled as Agnostic. -->

I know that those little icons can be confusing at times, but if you hold your mouse over the icon, it should produce a popup with a description of the icon.

 

[TLK Valentine]

YOU are one of my example, an evolutionist AND an atheist. That is the way it should be.

Except I'm an agnostic, not an Atheist.

Once again, your definition of "should be" falls short of reality.

 

[Elendur]

YOU are one of my example, an evolutionist AND an atheist. That is the way it should be.

I find this... not nice.
Perhaps the word 'prejudice' works in this case as well.

 

[sfs]

Not confusion. I WANT TO put them together. Of course, you don't have to. But I think you are compromising.

And so you treat those who accept evolution as atheists because you wish they were. Deliberately ignoring reality in favor of your own wants is a very bad idea.

 

[mkatzwork]

Evolutionists do not know how did life begin.

"Evolutionists" don't claim to know - religion, and only religion claims to be done looking for answers.

Curiously enough, almost all religions claim they're done and have all the knowledge they need, and there have been thousands of them...all with different stories, all equally certain as to their correctness.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

Same as it ever was.

TALKING HEADS once in a lifetime - YouTube

 

[Ken-1122]

How did we get here? THe question has been asked by many but answered by few. Creationists will tell you that we are offspring of Adam and Eve. Evolutionists will say that we evolved upward from some distant apelike hominid somewhere in the past. I want to go back further. For Creationists, the answer is easy- God made Adam and Eve. That case is closed.

But for evolutionists the answer is not so easily put forth. Evolutionists always seem to respond with something along the lines of "ToE doesn't deal with origins..." But I want to know what evolutionists actually think about the matter. Where did that supposed common ancestor come from? If all life shares this supposed CA (common ancestor), where did it come from?

I know that evolutionists first response will be "ToE doesn't deal with that..." I want to say rubbish. You must have some theory, idea, guess, or hypothosis of everything came from and how every life form got started and I would like you to share that.


(This thread is not for a regular old rehash of Creation v Evolution. I simply want to know where evolutionists believe it all started at.)



In Christ, GB

I don’t believe abiogenesis is the answer, according to my understanding; science has already discredited this theory. I suspect living cells have always existed.
Ken

 

[AV1611VET]

I'm sure it's far simpler and more convenient than reality, isn't it?

None of my business, but are you [the former] Nathan Poe?

 

[juvenissun]

And so you treat those who accept evolution as atheists because you wish they were. Deliberately ignoring reality in favor of your own wants is a very bad idea.

No no. I wish they could see that evolution and Christianity are not compatible.

 

[juvenissun]

"Evolutionists" don't claim to know - religion, and only religion claims to be done looking for answers.

Curiously enough, almost all religions claim they're done and have all the knowledge they need, and there have been thousands of them...all with different stories, all equally certain as to their correctness.

Many of them do not address the origin of life.

 

[juvenissun]

Actually they're labeled as Agnostic. -->

I know that those little icons can be confusing at times, but if you hold your mouse over the icon, it should produce a popup with a description of the icon.

I know. But they are evolutionist.

 

[juvenissun]

I find this... not nice.
Perhaps the word 'prejudice' works in this case as well.

You may be right. But I found it is closer to reality than not to have this prejudice. I treat an agnostic as an atheist. Unless he accepts the existence of god, any god.

 

[TLK Valentine]

No no. I wish they could see that evolution and Christianity are not compatible.

Except that they are -- and you refuse to accept that.

If you can't accept reality, how are you going to convert people to your fantasy?