How did we get here?

[AV1611VET]

Just you wait until the Great Scientist, The Anti-Christ, comes to town and PROVES Abiogenesis!!

I won't be here to see it ...

 

[TLK Valentine]

I won't be here to see it ...

You're demanding that your God beam you out of here ahead of schedule?

 

[Michael]

Dirt is dirt! Given the right conditions for self replicating molecules to form and the laws of Atomic theory, Chemistry, and physics will pretty well make it possible.

Ya, but "why"?

Does the atom have a designer? When science and spirituality meet

For all we know, "chemistry" and "atomic theory" were put into the "design" of the atoms from the very beginning.

No deities are required for this to happen!

FYI, that is a "statement of faith" on your part, and it demonstrates that you're not a 'weak atheist". You "hold" beliefs just like every theist.

Besides all the elements are created in stars from Hydrogen through fusion, so unless you believe God is a star(s) then suffice it to say that science knows how the elements that make up our dirt were formed!

There's nothing preventing God from being made up of stars.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7440288/

Case closed!

You're a closet pantheist just like me, you just don't know it yet.

 

[mzungu]

Another way to say what you said above is "Given enough dirt enough time it could come up with all the biodiversity we see around us."

In Christ, GB

Once more you are confusing Abiogenesis with Evolution!

Evolution deals with biological change and Abiogenesis deals with how life initially began. Once life began then Evolution takes over.

You are not doing a good job of hiding behind your finger by posing seemingly sincere questions while your aim is to attack!

Dirt has nothing to do with ToE!

Dear me

 

[AV1611VET]

Evolution deals with biological change and Abiogenesis deals with how life initially began.

Abiogenesis has a funny way of dealing with it, then.

Q: Who parked this car here?
A: Not I.

Just like "atheists" are not "theists" ... we know what they're not; we just don't know what they are.*

* Technically, we do.

 

[Split Rock]

I won't be here to see it ...

I figured he would come before The Rapture. Doesn't he need to lead us agnostic scientists in a pogram against Bible Christians like yourself?

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

Just like "atheists" are not "theists" ... we know what they're not; we just don't know what they are.*

Actually, we're a lot alike, you and I, as there are many gods we both don't believe in.

 

[AV1611VET]

I figured he would come before The Rapture. Doesn't he need to lead us agnostic scientists in a pogram against Bible Christians like yourself?

We won't be here ...

2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2 Thessalonians 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

Interpretation:

2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: [only insofar as the Holy Spirit will allow it], until [He is raptured].
2 Thessalonians 2:8 And then shall [the Antichrist] be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming [7 years later, at the end of the Tribulation]:

 

[AV1611VET]

Actually, we're a lot alike, you and I, as there are many gods we both don't believe in.

But as far as what you guys are, I doubt even you know.

That's why my profile, for example, is more informative than any 3 atheists or agnostics put together.

(I always get frustrated when I go to read an atheist's or agnostic's profile, and they don't say one word about what they are. You have to ask them directly, and even then most of them can't tell you directly.)

In short, I know what I am ... you guys know what you're not.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

We won't be here ...

2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2 Thessalonians 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

Interpretation:

2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: [only insofar as the Holy Spirit will allow it], until [He is raptured].
2 Thessalonians 2:8 And then shall [the Antichrist] be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming [7 years later, at the end of the Tribulation]:

When does this happen, again?

 

[AV1611VET]

When does this happen, again?

1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

Note that the Rapture is referred to as "a mystery."

(I believe there are 12 "mysteries" the Bible speaks of; the Rapture is one of them.)

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

Note that the Rapture is referred to as "a mystery."

(I believe there are 12 "mysteries" the Bible speaks of; the Rapture is one of them.)

Ok then. Let us know when you figure it out.

 

[AV1611VET]

Ok then. Let us know when you figure it out.

Who do you think I am? Harold Camping?

Please answer this:

Are dispensationalists supposed to know when their dispensation ends?

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

Who do you think I am? Harold Camping?

Please answer this:

Are dispensationalists supposed to know when their dispensation ends?

Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you guys had a personal relationship with god.

 

[freezerman2000]

I was going to post my views, but AV has once again managed to hijack a thread...
AV can take a hike!

 

[good brother]

Once more you are confusing Abiogenesis with Evolution!

As an evolutionist, you admitted you adhere to abiogenesis as a belief of how it all began. There is a connection there.

Evolution deals with biological change and Abiogenesis deals with how life initially began. Once life began then Evolution takes over.

Change from non life to life is not a biological change?

You are not doing a good job of hiding behind your finger by posing seemingly sincere questions while your aim is to attack!

My questions are sincere. I am sorry if you cannot see that. And I certainly am not trying to attack, but enlighten. You see, so far every evolutionist that has answered the question of where did life come from answered that they trust abiogenesis as a valid thought or theory. That says to me that the two somehow are most certainly related as there has been no other thought or theory put forth to explain the origin of the diversity of life here on this planet.

Dirt has nothing to do with ToE!

It seems to have something to do with it as I have explained above. Every evolutionist that has answered my question has answered that they believe abiogenesis to be a valid thought or theory to the origins of life question. Therefore, it would seem that "dirt" (you brought that up) is the origin of life and it was in that "dirt" or mud or soup that you and others believe gave rise to the first life form.



In Christ, GB

 

[good brother]

Hey Life and AV: If you all want to talk about the stuff you are talking about, would you kindly take it to another thread or start a thread to discuss those issues? Thanks.


GB

 

[AV1611VET]

Hey Life and AV: If you all want to talk about the stuff you are talking about, would you kindly take it to another thread or start a thread to discuss those issues? Thanks.

Sorry, GB ... I'll go to read-only mode; but let me restate my original point:

1. ToE doesn't deal with that.
2. Abiogenesis does.

No, abiogenesis doesn't.

Abiogenesis states one way we didn't get here.

A_biogenesis is a lie.

/thread

 

[good brother]

Sorry, GB ... I'll go to read-only mode;

Aw, AV, you know I love you man, and you are spot on for what you are talking about with the rapture and all, but I just want to preserve this thread for the discussion at hand.

In Christ, GB

 

[AV1611VET]

Aw, AV, you know I love you man, and you are spot on for what you are talking about with the rapture and all, but I just want to preserve this thread for the discussion at hand.

In Christ, GB

... I understand! God bless you, bro!