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RichardT

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I am a lapsed Catholic, a very lapsed Catholic, but as they say once a Catholic always a Catholic, call it an inbred fear, but I am slowly but surly getting rid of it.
You make fun of religious people because of their belief in the supernatural yet you yourself hold them because of your fear. I don't think I've met anyone as hypocritical as yourself.
 
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Well, I like to think that their is an afterlife. When I think that this is all we have and there is nothing afterwords, I start to get a little freaked out and I think, "What's the point in going to school, starting a family, helping others?". I know you could say the same things about an afterlife: why bother doing all that stuff if you are just going to go somewhere else anyway? But I just feel a little safer believing in life after life. Sure, there is no way to know, but that just means I have choice between believing or not, so I choose believing.
 
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Well, I like to think that their is an afterlife. When I think that this is all we have and there is nothing afterwords, I start to get a little freaked out and I think, "What's the point in going to school, starting a family, helping others?".

The answers should be intuitively obvious. What would be the purpose of going to school, starting a family and helping others if there were an afterlife? Either way it is impossible to objectively apply meaning to any of these events. You create meaning for these events in your mind. Surely these are all things that you yourself want to do, or else you shouldn't be doing them.


I know you could say the same things about an afterlife: why bother doing all that stuff if you are just going to go somewhere else anyway?

Right.

But I just feel a little safer believing in life after life. Sure, there is no way to know, but that just means I have choice between believing or not, so I choose believing.

Having a feeling about something is certainly not the same thing as working from first principles and determining for yourself the probability of such a belief to be likely. The question isn't about whether there is a way to know, it's about the fact that there is absolutely no evidence for the existence of an afterlife. You can choose to believe in an afterlife all you want but it doesn't change the fact that your belief is as likely as the existence of trolls.
 
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The question isn't about whether there is a way to know, it's about the fact that there is absolutely no evidence for the existence of an afterlife. You can choose to believe in an afterlife all you want but it doesn't change the fact that your belief is as likely as the existence of trolls.

What kind of evidence would be admissible?
 
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What kind of evidence would be admissible?

If any human behavior, emotion, or psychological characteristic can be shown not to be derived from the brain. A mechanism can later be derived for what happens to your "self" after death and by what matter these characteristics actually come from.

For the moment, the conclusion is that your self is the matter within your brain and once the circuit within your brain dies, your self dies.
 
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If any human behavior, emotion, or psychological characteristic can be shown not to be derived from the brain. A mechanism can later be derived for what happens to your "self" after death and by what matter these characteristics actually come from.

For the moment, the conclusion is that your self is the matter within your brain and once the circuit within your brain dies, your self dies.

Doesn't really answer the question, evidence of what nature is admissible?
 
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The "and that's it" part is hard to accept for some people. So they rather spend the only life they have for certain praying, to reassure them they do get a life after this one, sadly wasting this life in the process.

- Ectezus

its easy for me to accept, but its very hard to imagine a world with out the self. my best guess is its like being asleep without dreaming until the end of time.
 
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If when you get older you should be unfortunate and get Alzheimer's disease, where will your God go?
Nowhere --- He will go through it with us.
Hebrews 13:5 said:
Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.
 
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Well you can't ask more than that can you?
Asking is one thing --- demanding is another.

If you truly asked, then you would accept a 'no' answer.
 
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