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It is not much of an argument, they were caught red handed and they are trying to spin out of it. Why do you think there is such a concept of 'climategate'? It is because it is such a fabricated lie that it is now designated 'climategate'.
I do care about the real truth about climategate.
I believe the earth is getting a little warmer, but I think that it is not due to man.
A small % may be from man, but the larger % is from nature, that we can do nothing about.
Your hero Obama, put forth legistation that he thought would start to control global warming. It was the cap and trade legislation. All that legislation would have done is make Al Gore (another hero of yours) and Obama rich through the commission due their firm when they brokered the trade portion of cap and trade.
Thank goodness we have Trump as our president...
That is the topic. How did the universe come into existence. I say it came into existence by a Superior Designer who knew how to boot up a universe by using all the known forces and the elemental ratios and their relation to each other. This knowledge is capable of bringing about even a universe with all its wonders and many earths teeming with life.Thanks for the information. I was mostly curious about the non-omniscient universe-creating God you referenced. It's just a representation of God I haven't come across yet and I found it interesting. I won't take the discussion off-topic any further.
That is the topic. How did the universe come into existence. I say it came into existence by a Superior Designer who knew how to boot up a universe by using all the known forces and the elemental ratios and their relation to each other.
Let's see if I can be clear. The God you believe in, wasn't always omniscient (all-knowing)? Not to say whether you are correct or not, but this clearly puts you at odds with the vast majority of theists on this site. I simply wanted to see if I understand you correctly when you said: "The Designer of this universe has, over billions of earth years, come to a state of omniscience." When I asked if I was understanding you correctly you said, "In short, yes." But then went on to discuss a lot of other stuff. Since so much of your post was only loosely related to the question, I just wanted to make sure I conveyed my question clearly for you.That is the topic. How did the universe come into existence. I say it came into existence by a Superior Designer who knew how to boot up a universe by using all the known forces and the elemental ratios and their relation to each other. This knowledge is capable of bringing about even a universe with all its wonders and many earths teeming with life.
This same knowledge can also destroy a universe, so it needs to be balanced with all the good attributes that our Superior Designer possess.
We can be like the Superior Designer, and create universes ourselves. We just need to understand God and His holy concepts and be ready to apply them fully, in order to be given this knowledge.
So we learn of this Superior Being, it is a worthy subject. Knowing how the universe came into existence is given along the way to becoming a Superor Being ourselves.
You did and the answer is still 'yes'.Let's see if I can be clear. The God you believe in, wasn't always omniscient (all-knowing)? Not to say whether you are correct or not, but this clearly puts you at odds with the vast majority of theists on this site. I simply wanted to see if I understand you correctly when you said: "The Designer of this universe has, over billions of earth years, come to a state of omniscience." When I asked if I was understanding you correctly you said, "In short, yes." But then went on to discuss a lot of other stuff. Since so much of your post was only loosely related to the question, I just wanted to make sure I conveyed my question clearly for you.
You did and the answer is still 'yes'.
Just as important as your first question and my answer, is my statement that you can become like God too. Since our God went through a process, He has brought to us by His Son Jesus that same process. If you learn that process and do what He says, you can some day create universes too.
I am aware that I am clearly at odds with the vast majority of theists on this site. That is why I said you have to learn about the true God of the bible in order to get on the right path in order to accomplish what I have said. It is not that difficult.
It is cool beans. Thank you.
It is cool beans. Thank you.
This information comes from the bible and from current revelation from prophets in our day.
If that were the case, there would be no way to violate them.Gods moral laws are not opinions, they are facts.
So if the moral laws are not subjective from the mind of God, then the moral law is independent of God. Which means God is not the source of morality.Gods moral laws are not opinions, they are facts.
Through the bible and current day revelation by prophets in our day.
If you can tell me that you know with a certainty that it tells false stories about God, then you will answer your own question.How do you know the Bible tells true stories about a god?
So option one is read the Bible and pray a bunch with the express purpose of assuring yourself that it is true. Option two is to consider which is a more comforting option and then CHOOSE whether to believe or not based on what the belief offers you. How isn't your post just advocating self-delusion?If you can tell me that you know with a certainty that it tells false stories about God, then you will answer your own question.
Besides that, I have read and reread and reread the scriptures and I have prayed to God for an assurance that the scriptures are true, and I feel that God has assured me that they are true.
Besides praying for an answer, I also look for outward evidences and have come to a conclusion that there is enough of this kind of evidence to satisfy me that I am on the right path.
There is another thread of thought. It says that if God does not exist, then I do not have to worry about being good in this life because there is no existence once I die. So eat and drink and be merry and as evil or as good as you wish because there is no life after earth.
But if God does exist, and He has commanded us to do certain things, and live a good life here on earth, then I must pay attention to these things, otherwise I will fall to an uncomfortable place in the eternities of life after death.
To be sure, I choose God exists, therefore I will be good in this life to enhance my life throughout the eternities. Being good in this life also enhances my life here on earth, and I avoid hellish prisons, and addictions, and murders, and bad relations with women, that can cause bad relations with my family etc., etc., etc.
What will you choose?
If you can tell me that you know with a certainty that it tells false stories about God, then you will answer your own question.
Besides that, I have read and reread and reread the scriptures and I have prayed to God for an assurance that the scriptures are true, and I feel that God has assured me that they are true.
Besides praying for an answer, I also look for outward evidences and have come to a conclusion that there is enough of this kind of evidence to satisfy me that I am on the right path.
There is another thread of thought. It says that if God does not exist, then I do not have to worry about being good in this life because there is no existence once I die.
So eat and drink and be merry and as evil or as good as you wish because there is no life after earth.
But if God does exist, and He has commanded us to do certain things, and live a good life here on earth, then I must pay attention to these things, otherwise I will fall to an uncomfortable place in the eternities of life after death.
To be sure, I choose God exists, therefore I will be good in this life to enhance my life throughout the eternities. Being good in this life also enhances my life here on earth, and I avoid hellish prisons, and addictions, and murders, and bad relations with women, that can cause bad relations with my family etc., etc., etc.
What will you choose?
No, if something exists outside of human minds and exists irrespective of human feelings, desires, and opinions then it exists objectively. God's valuing of humanity exists outside the mind of humanity and irrespective of any human belief or opinion, therefore it exists objectively.
How do you know this? Not all humans agree with this. What about unborn humans? What about humans in a coma? That is just your subjective opinion based on your brain chemistry brought about by evolution. Stalin believed that the aristocracy and devout Christians deserved to die and be eliminated from society, his belief came from the same sources as yours, how do you know your brain chemistry is right and his is wrong?
I am not taking credit, I am just stating historical facts.
Many Biblical Christians argued against slavery 200 years ago. Most of the leaders of women's suffrage were Christians also. Many Christians argued against segregation 50 years ago.
If they argue in favor of special sexual rights for gays then they will be violating orthodox Christian teaching and therefore are unlikely to actually be Christians.
Transgenderism is something different from homosexuality. Science has not quite determined what it is. Most of the evidence points to it being a serious mental illness similar to anorexia since the person cannot seem to recognize reality. When they look in the mirror they see the opposite sex of what they are, just like when an anorexic looks in the mirror and sees a fat version of themselves when they are actually deathly thin. But there is a chance it could be a result of the fall of humanity and a sin distorted world where someone may actually be a female spirit or soul trapped in a male body or vice versa. So how they should be treated is still in flux.
We do know that over 80% of children that believe that they are the opposite sex change that believe by the time they become adults. So using surgery and hormonal treatments on children is probably wrong.
No, they are contradictory. Secular humanists can classify some humans as not worth saving from death Such as the very old and very young and very disabled. They don't have an objective standard by which they can be judged and be encouraged to work toward a superior standard because they don't have an objective one.
Devaluation of human life and reduction of first amendment rights to name two things. Indoctrinating of children in public schools to reject America's Christian principles.
They are more than just God's views on morality, they the moral standard incorporated into the universe and exist outside of human minds, thereby making them objective.
Gods morality is based on God's objectively existing moral character. His character exists in reality outside of humanity's mind and beliefs and feelings, therefore it exists objectively.
You remember the conference I believe it was in Hellsinki, when presidend Obama recieved the redicuous Nobel peace award? Then he was going to give a talk to the scentific community at Hellsinki.
Do you remember the scandal that was uncovered at that time and kind of messed up the whole conference? It was a scandal of scientists that had fraudulently messed with the climate numbers and made them way worse than they really were. It was exposed as to how they changed numbers and laughed about it and that it was OK to lie because the whole earth was in dire straights.
Do you remember when NASA reported that the average temperature for somewhere around 2008 was up by something like 2 degrees, and this was a crises in the making.
Then a reporter found out that NASA had eliminated some northern temperature censors from the data to make the average highere than it was.
If I looked long and hard, I'm sure I could come up with a lot more examples of out of control science.
Lots of room for error when comes to millions of years old anything for evolutionary science. I'm sure you have heard of some scandals yourself, if you would admit it. Like finding a leg bone and saying lots of things about that bone that is not true. Like finding a skull of an ape and somehow making it like the skull of homonid, hundreds of thousands of years earlier than the last reported skull. Lot's of room for error.
You have chosen the only potential case of that but it is not quite what you think it is. First you have to understand that in the ancient Mideast a woman having a husband was absolutely essential unlike today because a single woman was very vulnerable. There was no police force in the ancient middle east to protect them so they needed a husband. So this is actually more a like a betrothal combined with having a maid. She works for a man that is a potential husband, but if the husband doesn't like her he can sell her back to her family. No sexual relationship is allowed during this time, as that would be fornication which was forbidden by the ancient Hebrews. Or if his son likes her, she can marry him but otherwise she goes free. Always look at the historical context of a text.
Well they probably would have begun with the jews, but yes they could have gotten people to convert by force in different ways. Ever hear of the mafia? The mafia uses different types of force and threats to get people to support and work for them against their will. But He didn't, allowing them freedom of conscience and religion.
No, God cannot stop you against your will if you choose to reject Him. It is more a loving warning. A better analogy is that you are hiking in the mountains and you are heading straight toward a cliff but because of a heavy fog you don't believe the warnings of someone that lives on the mountain because you don't think you see any signs that it is a cliff. So God just lets you go off the cliff of your own free will you rejected His warnings. God cannot remove the cliff and he cannot go against your will, He cannot go against the universal law of justice because He cannot go against His own character which is being a perfectly just being.
True but the DOI is the philosophical foundation of the Constitution and it DOES mention indirectly the moral laws of the Bible as I demonstrated in my earlier post.
Only a very tiny minority. There are many atheists and secular humanists in the Establishment thereby having great power over the educational systems and major news outlets.
Morality is more complex then you describe. Members of government have different roles. Judges and police officers can kill people without it being immoral as long as they are meteing out justice on evildoers. You and me as ordinary citizens do not have that authority. God is the judge of the universe so He has the authority to mete out justice including capital punishment. There is nothing immoral about that, in fact it is highly moral.
I think what I am saying is 'you should'. You should consider that God exists and that it is He that has given us the path to take that will give us the most happiness in this world and the most eternal happiness.I do not know this. This doesn't address whether the Bible includes true stories about a god.
People have felt like a god was speaking to them and told them to murder their children. You, presumedly, would disagree that they were actually receiving a message from a god. Therefore, I think we'd both agree that at least some "feelings" about a god speaking to someone are inaccurate.
How do you know your feelings are accurate?
Oooo, now we're getting somewhere. What evidence do you have?
That "thread of thought" can be labeled "sociopathic".
I'm an atheist who doesn't want to be evil. I conclude that I'm infinitely more moral than a Christian who would do terrible things if they stopped believing.
Are you one of those people?
It's the "if" in "if God does exist" that I'm interested in.
I choose being what I consider a good person without having any reason to believe that a god exists.
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