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I'm always curious how the flood cause the formation of the layers? The common thing I heard people say is it either takes huge or small amount of water to do the job. But how? How did it form the layers? The grand canyon is full of layers, shouldn't all the dirt and limestone get washed away, no markers? Just curious because sometimes it never sink in my mind. Thanks for sharing your pov.
 

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If the flood take place, why is the grand canyon there? Shouldn't the flood washed the grand canyon away? But instead, the flood actually formed the grand canyon. Hrmmm....

There was no canyon. The running water washed out a canyon.
 
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I'm always curious how the flood cause the formation of the layers? The common thing I heard people say is it either takes huge or small amount of water to do the job. But how? How did it form the layers? The grand canyon is full of layers, shouldn't all the dirt and limestone get washed away, no markers? Just curious because sometimes it never sink in my mind. Thanks for sharing your pov.

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There was no canyon.

I see.


The running water washed out a canyon.

You mean the running water formed the grand canyon? How could water washing the grand canyon if the grand canyon was not there? I would say there is no grand canyon prior to the flood, but why does it take the shape it is now. Just seeking for some explanations. That's all.
 
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I'm always curious how the flood cause the formation of the layers? The common thing I heard people say is it either takes huge or small amount of water to do the job. But how? How did it form the layers? The grand canyon is full of layers, shouldn't all the dirt and limestone get washed away, no markers? Just curious because sometimes it never sink in my mind. Thanks for sharing your pov.

If the flood take place, why is the grand canyon there? Shouldn't the flood washed the grand canyon away? But instead, the flood actually formed the grand canyon. Hrmmm....


Either you trust God and the Bible or you trust science and your own observations and understanding.

Proverbs 3 v5 & 6
5Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.


Again the Bible speaking through Peter:

2 Peter 3 v4-6
for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 5For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

There is a lot of meaning in these two and a half verses, v5 tells us the Earth stood out of water and v4 that things are the same now as then, so it is still standing out of water. Science is totally baffled by this statement, but perhaps next year science will finally discover it is true.

Observation is what led Eve into sin, she looked at the apple and decided it was good to eat. And again it was desire for knowledge that led to separation from God.



Ultimately it is a simple choice; you believe science or you believe the Bible.


There are people who twist science to fit the Bible and the Bible to fit science, but they ruin both.

Some creationists quote or misquote from Darwin but not a modern biologist, or the very first idea Bethe had about stellar nucleosythesis but not his later findings. That ruins science.

Others claim the Bible says things it doesn't or doesn't say things it does to get it to sort of fit in with science. The Hebrew word for 'firmament' that holds the stars and separates the water below from the water above, is used again in Job where it clearly means something like 'cast bronze' or a 'mirror' (they were solid metal). Instead newer Bibles translate it as 'expanse' and hide the meaning.

Again there are some who claim science tells the 'what' and religion the 'why'. But the Gen 1 and 2 are full of 'whats' and devoid of the 'whys' which scientists debate.


There's the appeal to authority, that some or most great scientists were Christians. One very good physicist was Rev Polkinghorne who has managed to bridge religion and science, and was awarded the Templeton Prize for doing just that; having a 'reasonable faith'. But look at his faith, there is pretty well no literal anything in it. 'Is it really Christianity' I asked myself?

Ironically the Templeton Prize indicates that it takes a lot of mental gymnastics to get present day science and present day Christianity to agree on much of anything.
 
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You mean the running water formed the grand canyon? How could water washing the grand canyon if the grand canyon was not there? I would say there is no grand canyon prior to the flood, but the flood could possible formed the grand canyon take the shape it is now.

This could be the very early canyon look like.

Of course, this is only a model. It has many problems.
 
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They are not mutually exclusive. In fact, they enhanced each other.


I know. The Bible tells us the Earth is covered by a dome and science totally fails to find it.


Which one do you believe?
 
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So God already created the original geological features (creation week: the land and sea etc.) The flood just causes more damaged to it imo. But I'm curious, how did it take the shape that it has now?


When the dove was released the second time it brought back an olive branch (very small). And the third time she did have somewhere to put her foot and didn't need to come back.

It doesn't mention the branch was dead or anything so I don't think the trees and plants were affected by the 10+ months underwater, and weren't washed away either. If the branch was flotsam then the dove could have picked some up the first time, anyway the text says 'pluckt off'.

So I don't see where this idea that Noah's Flood caused geological changes comes from.

It may be another case of people distorting both science and the Bible in the attempt to get them to match up.
 
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It doesn't mention the branch was dead or anything so I don't think the trees and plants were affected by the 10+ months underwater, and weren't washed away either. If the branch was flotsam then the dove could have picked some up the first time, anyway the text says 'pluckt off'.

The trees may have been buried underwater just that there wasn't any place for the dove to stand on until the water receded. So in this case the flood did affect the trees, they were buried alive. But who knows the olive branch may still stuck to the trees and the dove simply plucked it off from there.

So I don't see where this idea that Noah's Flood caused geological changes comes from.

It may be another case of people distorting both science and the Bible in the attempt to get them to match up.

If there are huge moving waters and other tectonics activities would cause sea level to rise and deposited sediments into layers sorting particles out. If that were true I think it does a great damage to the earth's geological features. But what I'm concern about is how did the grand canyon take the shape that is has today? Suppose the grand canyon is not there when the flood happen, how did the flood formed it afterward?
 
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I know. The Bible tells us the Earth is covered by a dome and science totally fails to find it.


Which one do you believe?

It depends on what kind of "dome" are you talking about. There are at least a handful different nature of dome.
 
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So God already created the original geological features (creation week: the land and sea etc.) The flood just causes more damaged to it imo. But I'm curious, how did it take the shape that it has now?

Again, the current scientific model suggested that the canyon was developed through time. So, many years ago, the canyon was much smaller, like this one.

I am not saying it is the true answer. But it sounds reasonable.
 
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