How did lungs, blood vessels, blood, liver, kidneys and heart evolve at the same time? Which was fi

[_-iconoclast-_]

Firstly, I'm a Deist. Not an atheist. It says it under my profile image.
And secondly, that question is off-topic and frankly offensive. If you want to preach, then go and take it to forums that let you preach. This subforum is for the discussion of science, not faith.

What is a deist?

 

[_-iconoclast-_]

Ps first one open for all

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Its just i can only see two answers why an atheist is on site.

To convert christians

Or be converted.


Which one do tou subscribe to?

Neither, because if you look, the Physical & Life Sciences subforum of the Discussions & Debate subforum is open to both believers and non-believers alike. If you don't like it, you can go to the parts of the forum that are clearly marked as Christians Only.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

What is a deist?

I'm not going to answer since it's something that you can easily look up online and also, it's an off-topic question.

 

[_-iconoclast-_]

Firstly, I'm a Deist. Not an atheist. It says it under my profile image.
And secondly, that question is off-topic and frankly offensive. If you want to preach, then go and take it to forums that let you preach. This subforum is for the discussion of science, not faith.

Do you rely on science

 

[_-iconoclast-_]

I'm not going to answer since it's something that you can easily look up online and also, it's an off-topic question.

Can we start a new thread together

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Do you rely on science

This comment is off-topic from the OP discussion so I will not answer it.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Can we start a new thread together

No, because this is not a topic that needs to be discussed. People have different faiths and beliefs. Deal with it.

 

[_-iconoclast-_]

No, because this is not a topic that needs to be discussed. People have different faiths and beliefs. Deal with it.

No worries. Im off to bed always worth a try

 

[Larniavc]

Its just i can only see two answers why an atheist is on site.

Not all.

We are all aware of the dangers on living in a social media bubble and I (I would certainly not want to presume to speak for WotS) find this site a gold mine of perspectives I would normally not be exposed to.

Including but not limited to creationists, flat Earthers, perpetual motion advocates, misogyny, homophobia, climate change denial, evolution denial, conspiracy theorists and toilet terror.

It is a the Wild West of ideas and truly fascinating.

 

[Loudmouth]

How is it possible for an accidental and random process to reason and solve a problem?

First, you haven't shown that you need reason to solve the problem.

Second, evolution is not a random process.

 

[SkyWriting]

How did lungs, blood vessels, blood, liver, kidneys and heart evolve at the same time? Which was first? And, how would a body function without the others?

God could have engineered the entire process
and made it work. Scripture says He's talented.

 

[Larniavc]

God could have engineered the entire process
and made it work.

Yes, he could have.

But so could Zeus or Allah or Enki or the Ogdoad or Atum any number of other gods who's worshippers believed in as much as you believe in yours.

 

[joshua 1 9]

How did lungs, blood vessels, blood, liver, kidneys and heart evolve at the same time? Which was first? And, how would a body function without the others?

The Great Oxygenation Event (GOE) was the introduction of free oxygen into our atmosphere. It was caused by cyanobacteria doing photosynthesis. It took a very long time, from about three billion years ago to about one billion years ago. Photosynthesis was producing oxygen both before and after the GOE. wiki

 

[PsychoSarah]

How did lungs, blood vessels, blood, liver, kidneys and heart evolve at the same time? Which was first? And, how would a body function without the others?

They didn't appear at the same time; also, there are organisms that function just fine without any of those, in fact, the majority of life on this planet doesn't have them.

Basically, all cells have organelles that provide roughly the same sorts of functions as these organs and tissues do; the heart, for example, has the same organelles as a nerve cell, it's just shape and numbers of organelles that are different, making a heart cell better at and more specialized to a specific function. There are organisms that have some but not all of these organ structures, and even multicellular animals that don't have any of them; for example, sea sponges have no organs or blood, they just get rid of waste and absorb nutrients via diffusion. Ribbon worms have blood and blood vessels, but no heart, and the blood is kept moving through their bodies by their own movement. Arthropods don't have livers, and no insects have kidneys.

 

[joshua 1 9]

God could have engineered the entire process and made it work.

Evolution helps to show us HOW God did what He did. "19The LORD by wisdom founded the earth, By understanding He established the heavens. 20By His knowledge the deeps were broken up And the skies drip with dew.…" Proverbs 3:19 Wisdom, knowledge and understanding is a part of God's creation.

 

[SkyWriting]

Yes, he could have.But so could Zeus or Allah or Enki or the Ogdoad or Atum any number of other gods who's worshippers believed in as much as you believe in yours.

Man has given God many names and faces.
I don't see how that would change anything.
I agree, it wouldn't matter by what name.

 

[Larniavc]

Man has given God many names and faces.
I don't see how that would change anything.
I agree, it wouldn't matter by what name.

Different gods.

Unless you say that Yahweh and Enki are the same entity, for example.

 

[SkyWriting]

Different gods.

Unless you say that Yahweh and Enki are the same entity, for example.

You didn't get my drift. There is only one God.
Men have put many names and faces on God.
But there is only one Creator.

 

[Larniavc]

You didn't get my drift. There is only one God.
Men have put many names and faces on God.
But there is only one Creator.

I do get your drift. You believe that your god is the only god.

But many, many people make the same claim as you about their god.

Yahweh is not Allah (so I'm told on this very site) and he certainly was not Enki (that mischievous rogue).