How did blood clotting evolve?

[Hermit]

If the fall has happened, things aren't perfect.
Things aren't perfect.
Therefore, the fall has happened.

The problem is, that kind of reasoning is false. The following example should make it clear why the above reasoning is false.

If someone has stolen my car, I don't have a car.
I don't have a car.
Therefore, someone has stolen my car.

 

[Linux98]

I think that the answer of "how blood clotting evovled" has been answered. For anyone who cares to follow the link (or do a google search, or go to the library) a step by step process of how this occured is all there laid out for you.

There is no step-by-step account of how blood clotting evolved. It is an attempt to speculate on how it "could" have happened. At best, you can only say it is one possible explanation. And that is a far cry from being THE answer.

 

[Pete Harcoff]

There is no step-by-step account of how blood clotting evolved. It is an attempt to speculate on how it "could" have happened. At best, you can only say it is one possible explanation. And that is a far cry from being THE answer.

So? The only way to know specifically what happened is to build a time machine and anaylze the evolution of blood clotting over millions of years. But since we know evolution occurs, it's more than reasonable to construct scenarios based on available evidence.

Do you have another scenario you have constructed based on avialable evidence?

 

[ChrisS]

So? The only way to know specifically what happened is to build a time machine and anaylze the evolution of blood clotting over millions of years. But since we know evolution occurs, it's more than reasonable to construct scenarios based on available evidence.

Do you have another scenario you have constructed based on avialable evidence?

We know people can have a relationship with God, we know prayers that are answered occur, at least christians do. So why can't God have made the blood clotting process?

 

[gluadys]

But since we know evolution occurs, it's more than reasonable to construct scenarios based on available evidence.

We know people can have a relationship with God, we know prayers that are answered occur, at least christians do. So why can't God have made the blood clotting process?

ChrisS: Why are you implying that Pete's statement and your statement are contradictory?

Why can the evolutionary scenario not be identical to God's creative process?

 

[ChrisS]

ChrisS: Why are you implying that Pete's statement and your statement are contradictory?

Why can the evolutionary scenario not be identical to God's creative process?

That's not what I'm saying though, I'm talking about God literally creating the process in one day like it says in the bible. Really it depends on interpretation.

In my interpretation those quotes you just shown are completely contradictory. I'm not saying that God couldn't have used evolution, just saying that he more than likely didn't, unless it evolved after the fall.

 

[ChrisS]

If the fall has happened, things aren't perfect.
Things aren't perfect.
Therefore, the fall has happened.

The problem is, that kind of reasoning is false. The following example should make it clear why the above reasoning is false.

If someone has stolen my car, I don't have a car.
I don't have a car.
Therefore, someone has stolen my car.

However, we have a written testimony of who stole the car .

 

[Hermit]

However, we have a written testimony of who stole the car .

 

[jjdoe]

I dont know, but are you the girl in the picture? Whoooo!!

Ed

no flirting with creationists. It makes for bad karma.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

There is no step-by-step account of how blood clotting evolved. It is an attempt to speculate on how it "could" have happened. At best, you can only say it is one possible explanation. And that is a far cry from being THE answer.

It is an explanation for how it might have happened. That fact that certain predictions of what might be expected in other organisms if it had happened that way have been verified is evidence that it might be the correct explanation. Any possible explanation refutes the creationist claim that there is no possible explanation so God must have done it.

FB

 

[:æ:]

However, we have a written testimony of who stole the car .

Absurd. To make it analagous, you would in reality have hundreds, if not thousands of different and mutually exclusive written testimonies to the theft and the thieves' identity, yet none of them from eye-witnesses to the crime.

In short, it isn't even a given that a theft happened in the first place, so you must demonstrate that before you can convince us that there is a thief at large.

:æ:

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

We know people can have a relationship with God, we know prayers that are answered occur, at least christians do. So why can't God have made the blood clotting process?

She could have or She could have done it using evolution or She could have started the universe and let it go on from there.

FB

 

[jjdoe]

She could have or She could have done it using evolution or She could have started the universe and let it go on from there.

FB

you can only say the whole thing in so many different ways. Somehow, YEC's who don't have a clue how science works, decide to take it as their personal mission to tell us exactly how it works. Might as well reinvent the wheel while their at it.

 

[Pete Harcoff]

We know people can have a relationship with God, we know prayers that are answered occur, at least christians do. So why can't God have made the blood clotting process?

How did God do it? I don't want, "why couldn't God do blah". I want, "God did blah and here is exactly how He did it with appropriate supporting evidence".

In my interpretation those quotes you just shown are completely contradictory. I'm not saying that God couldn't have used evolution, just saying that he more than likely didn't, unless it evolved after the fall.

And you know this how exactly? Go on, tell me how God made stuff. I want all the nitty gritty details. And if you are stuck, I'm sure God would tell you. According to you, He answers prayers, right?

 

[ChrisS]

How did God do it? I don't want, "why couldn't God do blah". I want, "God did blah and here is exactly how He did it with appropriate supporting evidence".



And you know this how exactly? Go on, tell me how God made stuff. I want all the nitty gritty details. And if you are stuck, I'm sure God would tell you. According to you, He answers prayers, right?

It takes patience, but yeah, he answers prayers. So think. If you take apart the human body, then you need to know how it was assembled in order to fix/make it.

Take apart the human body to the last strain of DNA, and that's how it was made.

 

[Pete Harcoff]

It takes patience, but yeah, he answers prayers. So think. If you take apart the human body, then you need to know how it was assembled in order to fix/make it.

Take apart the human body to the last strain of DNA, and that's how it was made.

So your answer is... evolution. Gotcha!

 

[ChrisS]

So your answer is... evolution. Gotcha!

Actually, the answer has nothing to do with evolution or change, perhaps you misunderstod what I posted, though I highly dought that.

Should I be more clear?

 

[Ninja Turtles]

Actually, the answer has nothing to do with evolution or change, perhaps you misunderstod what I posted, though I highly dought that.

Should I be more clear?

Do you understand what evolution is? It's a much broader topic than those against understand.

 

[Pete Harcoff]

Actually, the answer has nothing to do with evolution or change, perhaps you misunderstod what I posted, though I highly dought that.

Should I be more clear?

Yes, because your answer amounted to "take apart the human body and you'll find out how it was made". Oddly enough, biologists have been doing this for centuries and the conclusion they arrived at is evolution from primate ancestors.

If you have another answer, then provide it in detail. If you think humans were created de novo, then please detail how this was done.

 

[ChrisS]

Do you understand what evolution is? It's a much broader topic than those against understand.

Well, wrong.

And how does that convince me that my previous post means evolution, which is what we're talking about right now?