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How did apes evolvle into humans?
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Heather S. said:
Well actually together with the plural pronoun is the description of God as Eloheim
There is no equivalent to this in English where it actually means more than one in a single being.
This is where we have the origin of the "trinity" -The Father (the creator) The Son (the Word of God) the Holy Spirit (the spirit of God)
Each of these was present within the one true God at creation -The Bible explains this to us.
It is that "triune" God the likeness of which we are made - ourselves being a three part being of spirit , soul, and body.
The fall of man certainly corrupted mankind but the good news is that through Jesus (a type of "second Adam) we are restored to the wholeness in which man was first created .
Amen
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anybody for tea and scones?
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A4C said:The foundations of that thing look a bit shaky.
Are you sure she won't topple?
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Yes and no. Elohim was typically used as a reference to many seperate deities. Christians pride themselves on being monotheistic, and describing the trinity as the Elohim, the author of the Bible would have been taking quite a bit of a stretch. After all, you wouldn't want to make anyone believe that Christians are polytheistic, right?
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I hate to burst your bubble, but the OT was written by people who don't believe in the trinity.A4C said:
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A4C said:
The OT was written by the Hebrews. The Trinity is a Christian concept.
Problem solved.
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Problem not solvedPraxiteles said:
Why did "hebrews" refer to God as Eloheim (plural)
Who did the "hebrews" believe YHWH was?
What was the spirit that annointed the "hebrew" prophets?
In fact the supporting "evidence " for the Christian belief in a "trinity " actually comes from the OT
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A4C said:
Lots of words there.
The concept of the Trinity did not begin until the 1st century. The Hebrews and modern Jews did not and do not believe in the Trinity.
As to your question about their reference to Elohim (Gods): it seems clear that early Hebrews had a pantheon, but eventually trimmed their number of gods down to one.
Christians may indeed base their beliefs of the Trinity on the OT - but the fact remains that the writers of the OT had no concept of it.
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A very shabby attempt at an in depth study of the Bible I must sayPraxiteles said:
If you check you Hebrew you will find that Eloheim is not a plural word for god but a description of the one true God As I said there is no real equivalent in English - the closest being "Gods"
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A4C said:
Thank you.
It's not my scholarship, though. I'm merely repeating what I've heard from those whose job it is to study it.
It's really not that hard. The statement was that the writers of the OT did not believe in the Trinity. Who were the writers of the OT? Jews. Do the Jews believe in the Trinity?
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Have you ever heard of an anachronism, A4C?A4C said:
The word Elohim cannot be evidence for the Trinity because it appeared thousands of years before the Trinity was known.
Additionally, elohim is actually used to refer to other gods besides the God of Israel in the Old Testament (specifically, Exodus 20:3).
Have you read it?
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no, the cambrian explosion was the thing that killed the dinosaurs when the little itty bitty spinning speck went bang, and lots of rocks flew out and some hit the earth and burnt the trees. since there were no trees the monkeys started walking round on the soil and decided to give birth to humans who are better at living on the ground. all the elephants survived because they were on the other side at the time.
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From this site-A4C said:
"However, without exception, whenever this word is used as God's name it is treated as singular. Thus, in the opening chapter of Genesis, where this name is employed exclusively, all the verbs associated with Elohim are conjugated in a singular form. When used to describe pagan gods, then Elohim is indeed used as a plural word meaning many gods."
What a silly questionA4C said:
It was God's active force in the world, not some Christian trinitarian concept of GodA4C said:
I can see that somebody hasnt spent much time on the NC forums on this siteA4C said:
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