How Damaging is the Pentacostal / Charismatic Movement?

[Gregory Thompson]

There is a right way and a wrong way to interpret Scripture.

One is the path to Light.
The other the path to destruction.

The main and plain truths of Scripture are so main and plain that anyone can understand them. God did not hide them in some esoteric form.

Also, Christians have always understood that the Scriptures are self interpretting and to apply modern, personal, meanings to them has led to all kinds of cults, some of which I have named.

i see inherent flaws in the way you interpret scripture .

my method generally flows in a way that irritates the evil so it goes away .

perhaps what you have come up with has a similar function in your particular surroundings .

but until the body is undissected . we will not see the true light just scattered colours of the spectrum all claiming such .

 

[Gregory Thompson]

What is the "church"?

What do you mean by that term?

I used to go insane because the church would not be what was written of it .. so i dropped that and went with Ephesians 2:20-22 definition .

 

[will_b_true]

Charismatics are not a 'cult'.

Depends on what flavor we are talking about.

Word of Faith and Oneness Pentecostals are definitely religious cults.

That does not mean all charismatics are, just those specific brands.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

At times errors are taught through ignorance more than pride. Heresy becomes an opportunity for spiritual pride and an occasion of self-conceit where they congratulate themselves for their spirituality.

you think very James and proverbs .

i like that .

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Depends on what flavor we are talking about.

Word of Faith and Oneness Pentecostals are definitely religious cults.

That does not mean all charismatics are, just those specific brands.

well oneness pentecostals could be compared to fundamentalist baptists in their tenor . charismatics are more mellow aren't they?

 

[will_b_true]

I used to go insane because the church would not be what was written of it .. so i dropped that and went with Ephesians 2:20-22 definition .

Which is?
Give me what you think that means.

You are fond of applying your own meanings to terms to redefine them, so why stop now?

Give me your interpretation of what the "church" is.

In your own words, please.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Which is?
Give me what you think that means.

You are fond of applying your own meanings to terms to redefine them, so why stop now?

Give me your interpretation of what the "church" is.

In your own words, please.

well my own words were back there and you called be Wofy and New Age so assuming my words will be pig slop as usual i'll relate scripture instead .

here's the scripture
Ephesians 2:20-22

20And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
21In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
22In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

We are one body in trinity with one another all across the world . and we are build together as one big temple of the Holy Spirit in the same way our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit .

 

[JimfromOhio]

Guy you need a teaching on grace and mercy!
You're way too hard on yourself

In the Christian life, thinking is crucial, emotions are crucial and serve is crucial. Its not "if we serve according to our desires or positive thinking" but rather "if we serve according to God's will".

This truth comes through practicing the discipline of careful reading of the Bible, seeking to find the author's intended meaning (Ephesians 3:4) and its implications for the issues we are facing today. We were saved by grace, (Ephesians 2) through faith, but it is God's grace that just initiates there and sustains all the way, every benefit in life, every benefit in eternity is by God's grace.

 

[sunlover1]

my reality is positive . but when i speak of things i need to speak of the way they actually are . i have enough things happening around me at any given moment on top of what is usual .

the church is one spiritually but divided intellectually . and heresy can keep its wig lol . just saying if everyone is a heretic . then maybe we could swallow our pride too .

Right. we don't speak of things that are as though they are not
But we do speak of things that are not as though they are.
And I speak of unity!

 

[will_b_true]

well oneness pentecostals could be compared to fundamentalist baptists in their tenor .

No. I have already gone over why Oneness Pentecostals are heretics and a religious cult and it did not include "tenor", but their heretical Christology, Hagiology, Theology, Pheumatology. It is their teachings, false definitions of Christ, God, the Holy Spirit, Salvation and the Work of Christ that defines them as heretics and a religious cult.

charismatics are more mellow aren't they?

LOL.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Right. we don't speak of things that are as though they are not
But we do speak of things that are not as though they are.
And I speak of unity!

yes i know that passage,

"speak of things that are not as though they are."

but your application is very WoF.

i have since learned a refinement of that so i do elsewise .

only explaining so you understand why i go in another direction . as it seems so important that we agree or have the same conclusion on this . you seem very "encourager" and didn't want to discourage .

 

[will_b_true]

well my own words were back there and you called be Wofy and New Age so assuming my words will be pig slop as usual i'll relate scripture instead .

here's the scripture
Ephesians 2:20-22

20And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
21In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
22In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

We are one body in trinity with one another all across the world . and we are build together as one big temple of the Holy Spirit in the same way our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit .

Whom does that include?
Everybody that claims to be Christian?

Or, does Jesus and Scripture give very specific qualifications as to whom are actually those "building stones" Paul spoke of?

 

[Gregory Thompson]

No. I have already gone over why Oneness Pentecostals are heretics and a religious cult and it did not include "tenor", but their heretical Christology, Hagiology, Theology, Pheumatology. It is their teachings, false definitions of Christ, God, the Holy Spirit, Salvation and the Work of Christ that defines them as heretics and a religious cult.

i dunno, i go throguh this same conversation with them about other christians sometimes .. but they "too" have the holy spirit .. really .. or you guys don't .. whatever though . i'm sure when we're all dead God will sort it out.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Whom does that include?
Everybody that claims to be Christian?

Or, does Jesus and Scripture give very specific qualifications as to whom are actually those "building stones" Paul spoke of?

whomever has recieved the Holy Spirit . is in Christ . it's that simple .

the Holy Spirit is the security deposit of the redemption to come .

 

[JimfromOhio]

There is a right way and a wrong way to interpret Scripture.

One is the path to Light.
The other the path to destruction.

The main and plain truths of Scripture are so main and plain that anyone can understand them. God did not hide them in some esoteric form.

Also, Christians have always understood that the Scriptures are self interpretting and to apply modern, personal, meanings to them has led to all kinds of cults, some of which I have named.

I believe that there is only one "right" interpretation of any given Biblical passage, the meaning God intended when He "breathed" His word into the human author. If this view is correct, it follows that of the many "different interpretations" skeptics refer to, there must be only one that is valid. That is, while a particular passage may have many applications, it must have only one meaning - the one the author (through inspiration of the Holy Spirit) intended.

Interpretation of Scripture will never be an exact science. The beliefs we bring to the text - our theological presuppositions - will inevitably color our interpretation to some degree.

Biblical hermeneutics is the science that teaches the principles and methods of interpreting the Word of God. Proper hermeneutics provide us tools to help ensure that we are basing our interpretations on the truth as God has revealed it, while avoiding error to the greatest degree possible. This method of interpretation focuses attention not only on literary forms but upon grammatical constructions and historical contexts out of which the Scriptures were written. We can never eliminate our presuppositions (nor should we, if they are Scripturally sound), but we can "test all things" - including our interpretations - and "hold to what is good (1 Thessalonians 5:21 ).

 

[will_b_true]

Well spiritually it is one body .

IF they are truly IN Christ.
Which is a big IF.
There are qualifiers as to whom is truly IN Christ and unified in Spirit.

 

[JimfromOhio]

Right. we don't speak of things that are as though they are not
But we do speak of things that are not as though they are.
And I speak of unity!

Unity in what way?

 

[Gregory Thompson]

IF they are truly IN Christ.
Which is a big IF.
There are qualifiers as to whom is truly IN Christ and unified in Spirit.

i dunno .. if they're not . then i have REAL reason for concern .. in regards to a lot of the church . and i really don't want to go down that road .

 

[sunlover1]

yes i know that passage,

"speak of things that are not as though they are."

but your application is very WoF.

i have since learned a refinement of that so i do elsewise .

only explaining so you understand why i go in another direction . as it seems so important that we agree or have the same conclusion on this . you seem very "encourager" and didn't want to discourage .

Wof? lol
All i did was agree with you and quote scripture.
Maybe the Scripture is too WOFish

Not sure how "elsewise" you can do from me since ya don't know what it is I "do"

Here's the key. If it's not in the Bible I don't do it (Spiritually speaking)
So.. I don't fall down on the floor.. for one.
I don't speak in tongues in front of people..
And I don't speak of things that are as though they aren't.

That's called .. denial.

 

[JimfromOhio]

IF they are truly IN Christ.
Which is a big IF.
There are qualifiers as to whom is truly IN Christ and unified in Spirit.

Huh huh.....As Paul wrote in 2 Timothy 2:19 "Nevertheless, God's solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: "The Lord knows those who are His." The Bible clearly says that all Christians are a body of believers indwelt by the Spirit (1 Cor. 12:13). Romans 8:9 says, "If any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His."