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What things? Honesty, trustworthiness, and not lying? The problem is how to gauge these things.
This is an interesting conversation. Nice rebuttals on both sides! But i cannot sit by any longer and watch yamaha get double teamed. Its time for me to testify. I also have conversations with God. He talks to you in a way. That would be most pleasant to you. So ergo he could sound like anything or anyone. When i here him talk he sounds like the God in the movie "The Prince of Egypt" and inretrospective you connot know for sure who is lying or not you will have to simply trust them and put your faith in something positive. Believe there us good out there. When you grow to love and trust you will know God isnt a liar. And we know this because the adversary claims the one who speaks the truth is a liar. If everything i told you was the truth and you knew this a man came and said oh he is just a liar dont believe him you are just being brainwashed and blah blah blah. But you know im a man of my word cause i keep my promises. Other people came to you and said yes he is a good man he paid my rent gave me money and expect nothing in return but honesty and loyalty. You messure a man not by the truths and promises but by his faults and when you measure Gods faults and flaws you will not find any this is how you know someone has good intentions. The same can be applied to people good morals and ethics is proof of a good heart.
I find this interesting. Why do you have to put your trust and faith in God? If he cannot vindicate himself, even his existence, isn't it more rational to withhold belief?
That would be grand - we'd have you, a physical person here in front of us, and we'd have testimony arguing for and against your truthfulness. More importantly, we could quantify whether you did, indeed, pay people's rent - a simple bank statement would suffice.
I disagree. God is at fault when he killed all the first-born sons of Egypt, and when he killed all humanity, save eight, in the Flood.
What if God lied about being the creator of the universe, but he did it so that people would follow his benevolent laws and guidelines? Unwavering honesty is not always a sign of benevolence, and vice versa.
I'd prefer to put reasoned belief in something positive - science and medicine, human ingenuity and bravery, etc.
That's exactly the opposite of what we've said. No one said "everyone is a liar", merely that no one can prove that God always tells the truth (despite the fact that this claim is often made).
Well, that's just he: we have only God's word about this, and God's word, when taken literally, doesn't correlate with what we see.
But why? I get that you believe in these things by faith, but why do you believe by faith? If there's no reason to believe in something, I simply don't believe in it. I don't understand why anyone would want to believe in something by faith.
I disagree, and your error is in the difference between certainty beyond all doubt and certainty beyond all reasonable doubt. We do not have 100% certainty beyond all doubt, no, but we do have 99% certainty, which is good enough.
