How can we tell ppl that homosexuality is wrong?

[Zanyteen16]

You can't trust the catholic Bible, its inaccurate, and perverts the way God works. They make it like the virgin Mary can be held on the same level as God when in reality she was just a creation of God's and was given a mission. You don't have to confess your sins to anyone but God, he takes care of it not a pope or "father". You can't compromise like this. You can't just pick a Bible that says what you want to hear.

Am I going by what the Catholic Bible says? yes. Why? 'cos it's the word of God. Am I not a Christian? yes I am.

However the Bible is subject to interpretation. And the distinctively Catholic position is that Jesus left us the Magisterium and the Church for that task. Hence why the need for the Catechism, it's an interpretation of the Bible according to Catholic teaching.

 

[graciesings]

Totally agree with you, if we just stop shoving our Christianity at someone the first encounter we have with them then they will be more open to it.

I agree.

Also, I'd like to point you to this thread: Ask A Catholic (teens edition)

I don't really want to butt in on your discussion with Scipio, and really, he isn't supposed to be posting here if he's 25? so I recommend we transfer some of the discussions of Catholic beliefs.

 

[RDKirk]

You can't trust the catholic Bible, its inaccurate, and perverts the way God works. They make it like the virgin Mary can be held on the same level as God when in reality she was just a creation of God's and was given a mission. You don't have to confess your sins to anyone but God, he takes care of it not a pope or "father". You can't compromise like this. You can't just pick a Bible that says what you want to hear.

"Catholic bible?"

There is no "Catholic bible." The canon was solidified long before the Reformation, and Luther did not drop any books out of it.

Even the Apocrypha was eventually removed more for the sake of saving money in printing costs than for any deliberate theological mandate to remove it.

 

[Thescriptureoftruth222]

what is true religion before god? all you that thinks to himself that they are religious and holy?

 

[Thescriptureoftruth222]

Totally agree with you, if we just stop shoving our Christianity at someone the first encounter we have with them then they will be more open to it.[/QUOTE

Not all will be open to it? but as it is written open rebuke is better than secret love?

a man and a women fornication is not the same? For there is levels but all sins are equal in one judgment. But if a man kills a man he. is thrown in jail or sentenced to death. But if a man curse he known as man that uses profanity

Was it not the lord who made the earth? So would not the lord make the law of the land as well?

If a man commit adultery he offends the whole law and is charged with blood. but the when he is condemn he is condemn as an adulterer. For when man puts him to condemnation they charge him with the sin that he sinned. But all go to one place that die in their sins in that sin is equal.

n I take as a man and I believe I have the spirit of god with me in wisdom.
and I believe god is pleased with judgment that I judge concerning the quote you replied to

 

[Charbel7]

What did Jesus himself say about homosexuality? None of the verses you pasted are words from Jesus. If he personally spoke about homosexuality, it was not recorded in the Bible.

It's not about changing or supplanting the Bible, but differences of scholarly Christian thought regarding how scriptures relating to homosexuality are interpreted and understood based on their historical context and original languages.



If you have links to credible, reputable sources to back up the statement that "homosexuality being wrong is supported by scientific evidence" then please send them to me in a PM. I'm not arguing about anything, nor do I wish to argue. I'm also not trying to change anyone's viewpoints, but simply to share the fact that other valid Christian viewpoints exist. By all means, think as you choose, and I'll do the same!



Nope. That is your assumption, and it is a provably incorrect one. And it's not just websites that have presented different scholarly viewpoints about the Bible's stance on homosexuality. There's increasing debate about hermeneutic issues regarding homosexuality. I'm assuming my church as a whole has a very different perspective than yours. I'm not gay but I have affection for the many gay members of my church, and God alone will determine whether they're "true" Christians, just as He'll judge you. There are gay Christians in churches around the country, and gay ministers in prominent leadership positions, such as a dean of the Vanderbilt Divinity School.

It's fine that you feel as you do, but I would just use careful consideration with how you present your beliefs to non-believers because they are likely to be repellant and have a counterproductive effect to the Great Commission.

Have a good day yourself!

If God himself said that humans must marry and have kids as much as possible i'm pretty sure that those Quotes are relevant and that's what God and Jesus want or he wouldn't have created us Man and Woman.

Genesis 1:28:
And God blessed them. And God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”

Can couples of the same-sex be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth? As much as i know - No it's not possible so how come would homosexuality be a right thing.


Artemis I've learnt science in my School, from books and from a lot of other different sources including wise people who have doctorates and many degrees.

Opposing homosexuality with science doesn't need a lot of scientific thinking the evidence is obvious to everyone you should probably study Anatomy and then you'll view homosexuality differently because the human body is built against homosexuality -

Males and Females have different reproductive organs for one reason - Reproduction.

Males have a tool, females don't have a tool.
What do homosexual individuals do? view the place where you fart from as a sexual organ, Do you think it's normal or natural? Do you think getting bacterial infections is natural and normal? I'm pretty sure you don't think so..

You probably don't understand anything about Network and Internet engineering so explaining to you why those websites aren't even real is going to be as hard as explaining to an atheist why God exists.

I have million facts that can oppose Homosexuality however i think what i mentioned is enough.

If you really believe in the Bible or Science you must oppose homosexuality or else you can't consider yourself a real believer. Because the Bible states that Adultery is a sin and homosexuality is more than adultery it's a sick action to do. And when God burned Sodom and Gamorrah for engaging in homosexual activity isn't it enough proof that Homosexuality is opposed in the bible? Instead of supporting Gays to do sick stuff we must guide them and teach them that this is not a way of life it's just like living a life of a murderer both aren't good and both should be healed, It's a mental illness and we must help them heal.

 

[RDKirk]

So these administrators and satraps went as a group to the king and said: “May King Darius live forever! The royal administrators, prefects, satraps, advisers and governors have all agreed that the king should issue an edict and enforce the decree that anyone who prays to any god or human being during the next thirty days, except to you, Your Majesty, shall be thrown into the lions’ den.

"Now, Your Majesty, issue the decree and put it in writing so that it cannot be altered—in accordance with the law of the Medes and Persians, which cannot be repealed.”

So King Darius put the decree in writing.

Now when Daniel learned that the decree had been published, he went home to his upstairs room where the windows opened toward Jerusalem. Three times a day he got down on his knees and prayed, giving thanks to his God, just as he had done before. -- Daniel 6


Whaddayathink? Do you think Daniel was in agreement with that law?


If not, what did Daniel do about it? What was his reaction? Did he rail the king for a change in the law because it was against God's law?



It appears that Daniel's reaction was totally a non-reaction. He simply continued doing exactly what he had always done, which was the right thing for him to do.


The pagans did their pagan thing, Daniel did his Jewish thing.


But wait...there's more.

King Nebuchadnezzar had a gold statue made, ninety feet high and nine feet wide, and he had it set up in the plain of Dura in the province of Babylon.


Then the king gave orders for all his officials to come together—the princes, governors, lieutenant governors, commissioners, treasurers, judges, magistrates, and all the other officials of the provinces. They were to attend the dedication of the statue which King Nebuchadnezzar had set up.


When all these officials gathered for the dedication and stood in front of the statue, a herald announced in a loud voice, “People of all nations, races, and languages! You will hear the sound of the trumpets, followed by the playing of oboes, lyres, zithers, and harps; and then all the other instruments will join in. As soon as the music starts, you are to bow down and worship the gold statue that King Nebuchadnezzar has set up. Anyone who does not bow down and worship will immediately be thrown into a blazing furnace."


And so, as soon as they heard the sound of the instruments, the people of all the nations, races, and languages bowed down and worshiped the gold statue which King Nebuchadnezzar had set up.

It was then that some Babylonians took the opportunity to denounce the Jews. They said to King Nebuchadnezzar, “May Your Majesty live forever! Your Majesty has issued an order that as soon as the music starts, everyone is to bow down and worship the gold statue, and that anyone who does not bow down and worship it is to be thrown into a blazing furnace.


There are some Jews whom you put in charge of the province of Babylon—Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego—who are disobeying Your Majesty's orders. They do not worship your god or bow down to the statue you set up.” -- Daniel 3



What is interesting here is that Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah were all high officials in the courts of those kings and certainly had audience with the kings...yet never pressed the kings to obey their God. When the kings gave decrees that would have required them to disobey their God, they simply ignored them.


And they prevailed.


The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds.
-- 2 Corinthians 10

 

[Kurama]

Totally agree with you, if we just stop shoving our Christianity at someone the first encounter we have with them then they will be more open to it.

Or they may be already well versed enough to know that Christianity, as a religion, is inherently against homosexuality. Thus don't be surprised if they still remain closed to the less tolerant aspects of Christianity.

Humanity isn't just composed of sheep, people have brain tissue which they use to formulate their own opinions, you know?

 

[Tayhana]

Well i know this isnt exactly answerng the question, but when someone says "oh ur christian, you hate gay people" I tell them "no i dont hate gay people. I hate the sin of being gay, not the gay people themselves."

 

[Shane Plew]

Well i know this isnt exactly answerng the question, but when someone says "oh ur christian, you hate gay people" I tell them "no i dont hate gay people. I hate the sin of being gay, not the gay people themselves."

That's not any better. That means you hate their lifestyle, which might be worse actually.

 

[Shane Plew]

And seriously, how is being gay an inherently bad thing?


Edit: And don't just say the Bible told me so.

 

[RDKirk]

And seriously, how is being gay an inherently bad thing?


Edit: And don't just say the Bible told me so.

That question reminds me of a time when I was in the military and a commander ordered us to being wearing the fussy service dress uniform instead of the comfy battle dress uniform.

My young troops complained, "What's wrong with the BDU?"

I told them, "There's nothing wrong with it. It's an approved Air Force uniform. But the commander has the authority to tell us which uniform to wear, and he's told us to wear the service dress uniform."

For a Christian, "because the Lord told us to" is a perfectly good reason--the best reason.

But where I differ from most Christians in America (or, to be precise, American Christians, because there is a difference), is that I realize that addressing homosexual behavior as wrong is only for Christians.

It doesn't make any difference whether non-Christians practice homosexual behavior or not, and Christians don't have any authority from God to try to regulate them.

 

[ihavefoundgod951]

Ok so no offense to anyone. I don't hate gays, but every time I make a statement about how its wrong and it hurts ppl they call me a hater and cuss at me over the internet I just want them to think about what I'm saying but they just tell me how there is no God and call me names. How do I get them to listen to me? What do you all think of gays?

The bible tells us not to correct the behaviour of none Christians. Leave them to it.

They are aware of our views, such behaviour can scare people away from exploring Christianity.

 

[grasping the after wind]

That's not any better. That means you hate their lifestyle, which might be worse actually.

Do you genuinely think that disapproving or hating what a person does might be worse than disapproving or hating the person?

And seriously, how is being gay an inherently bad thing?

You were discussing a lifestyle not a being and saying that hating the lifestyle was possibly worse than hating the being. So I think the thing to ask is "how is a gay lifestyle an inherently bad thing?". To which my question would be, Is it possible to say that any lifestyle is an inherently bad thing?

Edit: And don't just say the Bible told me so.

And likewise don't just say because society or some authority figure I revere told me so

 

[Shane Plew]

Do you genuinely think that disapproving or hating what a person does might be worse than disapproving or hating the person?

That's why I used the word might. It really depends on who you ask. If you were to ask me this would be my answer: The things I identify with I consider to be central to my personality; If you hate the things I identify with, in a way you are hating me; By extension you are hating the other people that identify in such a way as I do. Like I said, others might not have the same view, and I understand that.

You were discussing a lifestyle not a being and saying that hating the lifestyle was possibly worse than hating the being. So I think the thing to ask is "how is a gay lifestyle an inherently bad thing?". To which my question would be, Is it possible to say that any lifestyle is an inherently bad thing?

Being homosexual and having a homosexual lifestyle are pretty much the same thing. I suppose someone could pretend to be gay, but I don't think that happens all too often.

And likewise don't just say because society or some authority figure I revere told me so

To argue from authority is a valid form of argumentation, though in order for it to be valid you have to prove that the authority is a reliable source for information on the topic. Anyways, I'm not planning on citing an authority for why I don't see anything wrong with being homosexual.


PS. This is a teens only area, you can reply to me here but it will likely get deleted. Though feel free to PM me or something of the sort.

 

[graciesings]

And seriously, how is being gay an inherently bad thing?


Edit: And don't just say the Bible told me so.

That's a tough question to answer without referring back to the Bible.

The first non-religious thing I think of is that homosexuality is against the "natural order" of things. But while the Bible sees going against God's natural order as a sin, I'm not sure it is a sin from an atheistic perspective.
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Homosexuality is not a positive genetic mutation from a "survival of the fittest" perspective, however that doesn't make it wrong... or does it? Thing is, if homosexuality is wrong for that reason, then it's also wrong to be disabled.


I would say that one can't prove homosexuality is wrong without going back to the Bible. In fact, how is there a right and wrong if God doesn't exist? Christians believe that God and what God thinks are the standard for right and wrong, thus if God says homosexuality is wrong, then it's wrong. But if you take away the standard and replace it with "what feels good for me" or "what is best for the community" then it's hard to find a reason that a certain thing is wrong.

 

[graciesings]

Well i know this isnt exactly answerng the question, but when someone says "oh ur christian, you hate gay people" I tell them "no i dont hate gay people. I hate the sin of being gay, not the gay people themselves."

That's not any better. That means you hate their lifestyle, which might be worse actually.

That's a good point. I would suggest a more compassionate approach... I'd be more likely to say that I believe acting on homosexual urges is wrong, but that we all struggle with certain sins that are born into us... I think a very gentle attitude is key.

 

[Shane Plew]

That's a good point. I would suggest a more compassionate approach... I'd be more likely to say that I believe acting on homosexual urges is wrong, but that we all struggle with certain sins that are born into us... I think a very gentle attitude is key.

It doesn't really matter that much how you say it. No matter what it still sounds terrible telling someone that the way they are is sinful. This anti-gay thing is what will kill the modern church. Either the current churches are going to have to reform, or other more liberal churches will take their place. I think the catholic church may be realizing this.

 

[Shane Plew]

But if you take away the standard and replace it with "what feels good for me" or "what is best for the community" then it's hard to find a reason that a certain thing is wrong.

The thing is, I don't believe in black and white morals. I don't believe in good and evil, at least not the same way you do. I think that there is a balance of what is good for yourself and what is good for the community(or tribe might be more accurate) that makes up what we consider good and bad in society today. It is clear that morals are ever changing. I mean just look at the last hundred years and how the treatment of women and non-white people has changed! Clearly they are changing more rapidly than ever before, but I think that has to do with a deeper understanding of how things work. We are actually starting to base our morals off of our understanding of the universe rather than on ancient texts.

 

[graciesings]

It doesn't really matter that much how you say it. No matter what it still sounds terrible telling someone that the way they are is sinful. This anti-gay thing is what will kill the modern church. Either the current churches are going to have to reform, or other more liberal churches will take their place. I think the catholic church may be realizing this.

The part I bolded is why Christianity is unpopular.

For some reason, our secular culture and even many Christians don't understand it, but one of the first things the Bible says is that the way we are is sinful. Everyone, no matter the person's race, gender, sexual preference, taste in bacon, etc. is sinful. God then builds on this to say that, because we're all sinful, we need a savior. But... if nobody was sinful, we wouldn't need Jesus.

The thing is, a lot of Christians are quick to tell homosexuals, atheists, pagans, and each other, "You're sinful." But many of us conveniently "forget" to point out that we're all sinful. Honestly, two homosexuals sleeping together isn't any worse than me having sex with my boyfriend... and you know I desire that! We all have sinful desires because we're all born sinful...

So many Christians manage to offend others with a "you're sinful" instead of console them with the message of the Gospel - Jesus forgives sin. It's sad, but it happens often.