How can we tell ppl that homosexuality is wrong?

[Thescriptureoftruth222]

I like to think of the parable of the sower in Matthew 13. Before investing your time trying to plant seeds about a life in Christ you need to consider where you're standing. You can find fertile soil on the internet, places where it's appropriate and potentially fruitful to share your faith, but you'll mainly find inhospitable environments on popular social media sites. Going to a site that is bashing Christianity and then trying to share about Christ is like planting your seeds in thorns. You'll be scratched up and your efforts won't produce a good crop.

I've been taught interpretations of the verses in the Bible regarding homosexuality, based on their historical context, that alter their meaning, and have views on it that are probably very different than yours. Still, if you believe homosexuality is immoral and someone sincerely wants to understand your reasons why, then thoughtfully give your explanation. It's counterproductive to just blurt out your belief that homosexuality is wrong where the majority disagree. Going to a site that endorses homosexuality or watching a video about it and then commenting on it is like swinging a plow into a rock hoping that if you plant seeds inside it they'll grow. They won't because there will be no root. You'll have just have hurt your back, broken your plow, and gotten sweat on your brow and produced nothing good from the toil.

Most people who are old enough to use the internet are also able to do searches on their own to find relevant information about coming to Christ. Seek and ye shall find can just be changed with "Google" and ye shall find. No, we don't have to tell people about Jesus. We're to go and make disciples and teach them about Christ. The best way to let people know about Christ is to LIVE his teachings. Let your own life be your testimony. "Acta non verba" means "actions, not words."

As for defending Christianity or Jesus - no need. Christ is everlasting. Christianity has persevered through trials for two millenniums.

it is written homosexuality is a sin, that is why it is a sin for it is written

2 saith he becometh one flesh. For when god created adam and eve he said be fruitful and multiply, seeing that god created the man to go into the women but like men, they sinned and lusted after the women instead of marrying then laying in their wife they commited fornication.

HOW IS IT POSSIBLE FOR HOMOSEXUALITY TO BE RIGHT BEFORE GOD? for a man and a man cant even bare seed nor a women and a women.

verily I say unto you any man that saith homosexuality is right preach the doctrine of the devil. No man that say he no Christ can say homosexuality is right. For I tell you if a man know Christ and preach homosexuality is ok, he is a devil and a killer that does not know god is more righteous than he

 

[RDKirk]

Ok so no offense to anyone. I don't hate gays, but every time I make a statement about how its wrong and it hurts ppl they call me a hater and cuss at me over the internet I just want them to think about what I'm saying but they just tell me how there is no God and call me names. How do I get them to listen to me? What do you all think of gays?

There are so many things that are "wrong"--how at any point in time can you be sure homosexuality is the one you have to point out to anyone...and why?

Two things gotten from Romans: Without Christ, nobody can do anything "right." The fate of an unbelieving heterosexual is the same as an unbelieving homosexual. The specific acts of an unbeliever are irrelevant, because everything he does is without faith, and everything done without faith is sin. Even the virtuous acts of unbelievers are sin.

Therefore, the first issue is always salvation. Nothing the person does matters until he is saved.

It's a mistake not to get to the gospel--to get to "Christ and Him crucified" as quickly as possible. If you are an evangelist, get to what Jesus has done for them. If you are a witness, get to what Jesus has done for you.

It is a mistake for a Christian to get wrapped around the axle debating "sin" with an unbeliever. The word has no meaning for him, because asserts that the unsaved person cannot be anything but a slave to sin. It's like debating a fish that air is better than water.

 

[Thescriptureoftruth222]

There are so many things that are "wrong"--how at any point in time can you be sure homosexuality is the one you have to point out to anyone...and why?

Two things gotten from Romans: Without Christ, nobody can do anything "right." The fate of an unbelieving heterosexual is the same as an unbelieving homosexual. The specific acts of an unbeliever are irrelevant, because everything he does is without faith, and everything done without faith is sin. Even the virtuous acts of unbelievers are sin.

Therefore, the first issue is always salvation. Nothing the person does matters until he is saved.

It's a mistake not to get to the gospel--to get to "Christ and Him crucified" as quickly as possible. If you are an evangelist, get to what Jesus has done for them. If you are a witness, get to what Jesus has done for you.

It is a mistake for a Christian to get wrapped around the axle debating "sin" with an unbeliever. The word has no meaning for him, because asserts that the unsaved person cannot be anything but a slave to sin. It's like debating a fish that air is better than water.

Behold you err in your statement, let me ask you what is more important to god to say not to tell an unbeliever he is sinning or to warn him he is sinning?

does god has pleasure in the death of the wicked? Or that the wicked turned from his wicked ways and live?

If a man is gay and a man tells him he is going to enter into fire because of his sin of homosexuality and that gay man turns from his wickedness and is no more gay and does all righteousness before god will he enter into heaven?

Or will a man that is gay and a preacher says come to jesus and you are saved but continue in his evil works and does not pray every day nor do any of the commandments will that gay man live?

I tell you that gay man shall enter into fire.

for if a man warns a man he sinned and that sinner turns from his sins that sinner shall live and that man shall deliver his soul

but if that man says in his heart he is a sinner and will not listen and don't warn that sinful man that he is going to enter into eternal fire I tell you that sinner shall die but the blood of that sinner is required at your hand

 

[RDKirk]

Behold you err in your statement,

You paraphrased a lot of scripture that all speaks of correcting a believer who has sinned.

Of the unbeliever:

And when He [the Holy Spirit] has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: of sin, because they do not believe in Me -- John 16

It is the Holy Spirit who convicts unbelievers of sin.

 

[Ada Lovelace]

it is written homosexuality is a sin, that is why it is a sin for it is written

2 saith he becometh one flesh. For when god created adam and eve he said be fruitful and multiply, seeing that god created the man to go into the women but like men, they sinned and lusted after the women instead of marrying then laying in their wife they commited fornication.

HOW IS IT POSSIBLE FOR HOMOSEXUALITY TO BE RIGHT BEFORE GOD? for a man and a man cant even bare seed nor a women and a women.

verily I say unto you any man that saith homosexuality is right preach the doctrine of the devil. No man that say he no Christ can say homosexuality is right. For I tell you if a man know Christ and preach homosexuality is ok, he is a devil and a killer that does not know god is more righteous than he

Alrighty. Are you actually interested in learning the perspectives other Christians have regarding the scriptures on homosexuality or have you poured cement over your mind about it? If you're interested, PM me; I don't want to hijack someone's thread. If you're not interested, then whatevs!

 

[Thescriptureoftruth222]

You paraphrased a lot of scripture that all speaks of correcting a believer who has sinned.

Of the unbeliever:

And when He [the Holy Spirit] has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: of sin, because they do not believe in Me -- John 16

It is the Holy Spirit who convicts unbelievers of sin.

ok the holy spirit corrects a man who sin so now i ask you what are you going to do when you see a man that is goibg astray in his ways?

will you warn him? or not?

 

[Thescriptureoftruth222]

Alrighty. Are you actually interested in learning the perspectives other Christians have regarding the scriptures on homosexuality or have you poured cement over your mind about it? If you're interested, PM me; I don't want to hijack someone's thread. If you're not interested, then whatevs!

what is your perspective of homosexuality?

 

[Ada Lovelace]

what is your perspective of homosexuality?

Please PM me if you're curious about my perspective. I can't share links here because I'm a new member and the site requires that you contribute 50 posts before you can put a link in a response. I've gotten an error message when I've tried.

 

[Charbel7]

I am neither gay nor an American. Baseless speculations about people you know nothing about will get you nowhere.

Good day.

EDIT: As I see you're a Catholic, you better read what our Church teaches about homosexuality.

Catechism of the Catholic Church - The sixth commandment

How old are you? I doubt you are 26 you should get some education you didn't even read anything i've written because you are afraid to be wrong, you are wrong and science proves it so claiming that i know nothing won't help you because i'm pretty sure i know what i'm saying.

Yes i'm a Catholic - a real catholic not a brainwashed catholic who follows gays who enter the Chruch and try to change our values and morals i'm an open minded catholic who believe that you can't live without both Science and Religion, I don't listen to what people say i listen to the BIBLE i don't even care what the pope or any other catholic monk say.

My claims are supported with evidence if you don't want to see the truth it's your problem keep being a friend of people who worship the Anus, protest naked in the streets, fake the bible and promotes sex and later they claim it's Love oh please do me a favor.

 

[Juanmz28]

Who cares about what this filthy and corrupted world thinks about you? homosexuality is abominable and you must scream out loud against it because God commands it, you MUST NOT support sin, you must warn people about it.

"Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them" (Romans 1:32)

 

[Charbel7]

Alrighty. Are you actually interested in learning the perspectives other Christians have regarding the scriptures on homosexuality or have you poured cement over your mind about it? If you're interested, PM me; I don't want to hijack someone's thread. If you're not interested, then whatevs!

Dear Artemis, I'm pretty sure Jesus was certain about what he said, Nothing and No one can change the truth and what other people say isn't right what Jesus said was right and will always be right.

Homosexuality being wrong is supported with Scientific Evidence so you can stop arguing about it because you can never change the truth that Homosexuality is wrong.

Also the websites you are visiting are made by Gays who are trying to make people believe the lie that Homosexuality isn't wrong and people can be both Gays and Christians.

Read the following verses :

Leviticus 18:22
You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination

Romans 1:26-28
For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.


1 Corinthians 7:2
But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband.

1 Timothy 1:10-11
The sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine, in accordance with the gospel of the glory of the blessed God with which I have been entrusted.

Mark 10:6-9
But from the beginning of creation, ‘God made them male and female.’ ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.”

Have a good day.

 

[Ada Lovelace]

Dear Artemis, I'm pretty sure Jesus was certain about what he said, Nothing and No one can change the truth and what other people say isn't right what Jesus said was right and will always be right.

What did Jesus himself say about homosexuality? None of the verses you pasted are words from Jesus. If he personally spoke about homosexuality, it was not recorded in the Bible.

It's not about changing or supplanting the Bible, but differences of scholarly Christian thought regarding how scriptures relating to homosexuality are interpreted and understood based on their historical context and original languages.

Homosexuality being wrong is supported with Scientific Evidence so you can stop arguing about it because you can never change the truth that Homosexuality is wrong.

If you have links to credible, reputable sources to back up the statement that "homosexuality being wrong is supported by scientific evidence" then please send them to me in a PM. I'm not arguing about anything, nor do I wish to argue. I'm also not trying to change anyone's viewpoints, but simply to share the fact that other valid Christian viewpoints exist. By all means, think as you choose, and I'll do the same!

Also the websites you are visiting are made by Gays who are trying to make people believe the lie that Homosexuality isn't wrong and people can be both Gays and Christians.

Nope. That is your assumption, and it is a provably incorrect one. And it's not just websites that have presented different scholarly viewpoints about the Bible's stance on homosexuality. There's increasing debate about hermeneutic issues regarding homosexuality. I'm assuming my church as a whole has a very different perspective than yours. I'm not gay but I have affection for the many gay members of my church, and God alone will determine whether they're "true" Christians, just as He'll judge you. There are gay Christians in churches around the country, and gay ministers in prominent leadership positions, such as a dean of the Vanderbilt Divinity School.

It's fine that you feel as you do, but I would just use careful consideration with how you present your beliefs to non-believers because they are likely to be repellant and have a counterproductive effect to the Great Commission.

Have a good day yourself!

 

[RDKirk]

ok the holy spirit corrects a man who sin so now i ask you what are you going to do when you see a man that is goibg astray in his ways?

will you warn him? or not?

The Holy Spirit does not "correct" an unbeliever--the Holy Spirit convicts the unbeliever. The unbeliever is not "correct" in his actions because he is still not operating in faith.

The unbeliever is dead in his sins because he lacks faith. "Going astray in his ways" has no meaning for an unbeliever because all of his ways are sinful.

If an unbeliever did all the "good works" of a believer, those works would all still be sin. If an unbeliever feed the poor, that is still sin because he's operating out of his own will--out of the desire of his own flesh--not the will of God.

The righteousness or unrighteousness of specific actions are only relevant to a believer. They are not relevant to someone who is condemned already because of his lack of faith.

If you put the sheriff's gun to his head and compel him to "correct" actions, he is still in sin because he is complying only to protect his flesh--not in faith to the will of God.

But...if the unbeliever has been convicted by the Holy Spirit, he is open to receive the gospel, and the gospel--"Christ and Him crucified" is what that man needs. He doesn't need to be told he's going to hell--he has no understanding of what that means.

Scripture tells us clearly that convicting the world of sin is the role of the Holy Spirit. If an unbeliever is resisting the conviction of the Holy Spirit; no man can do the Holy Spirits job better than He can.

But he knows he's He needs to be told in Whom salvation lies--that is the mission given the Church. It's not done by the Holy Spirit. We need to stay in our lane--let God do God's work, let us do what God has specified for us to do: Preach "Christ and Him crucified."

For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.
-- 1 Corinthians 2

 

[RDKirk]

Who cares about what this filthy and corrupted world thinks about you? homosexuality is abominable and you must scream out loud against it because God commands it, you MUST NOT support sin, you must warn people about it.

"Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them" (Romans 1:32)

Did you read the previous verses?

God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts.

God gave them over to shameful lusts.

God gave them over to a depraved mind

God Himself has "given them over." Do you think you can undo what God has done? That's why it's God's responsibility through His Holy Spirit to convict the world of sin. And if God Himself is ineffective in some people, what makes you think you can do His job better than He can?


My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. -- John 10:27

When Paul received the dream that he must go to Macedonia, it was because the Holy Spirit had already prepared the Macedonians. They were prepared to hear the gospel, even though they did not yet know what the gospel was.

The Holy Spirit has prepared people for the gospel of salvation. They are like people who were kidnapped as small children, with a dim realization that somehow they are is not where they should be. When they hear the gospel, they will respond. But we have to be speaking the gospel of salvation.

 

[Shane Plew]

So I don't know where this convo has gone, and I don't really care. I'm just going to reply to the op.

Ok so no offense to anyone. I don't hate gays, but every time I make a statement about how its wrong and it hurts ppl they call me a hater and cuss at me over the internet I just want them to think about what I'm saying but they just tell me how there is no God and call me names. How do I get them to listen to me? What do you all think of gays?

So if you are going to tell someone something is wrong, then you should probably provide some reasons for that (Note that I'm not saying that just because something isn't wrong that it is right). If the person doesn't believe in God, that God is infallible, and people that base their morals on evidence, then you must provide a reason for it being wrong other than "God says so". Also you are claiming that homosexuality somehow hurts people, so you must also give examples of that. Without doing this, the aforementioned people will not listen to you. Either way, giving any sort of opinion on the internet is likely to come with backlash, especially if it isn't a popular one.

 

[Zanyteen16]

Charbel7 don't let anyone look down on you because of your age, you are very smart and wise, you word what you want to say very well. You made a good point and I learned from what you said. I appreciate you sharing this a lot of people don't see these things.

The definition "Attraction" doesn't exist in Science, attraction is something you gays like to use as an excuse to say being gay is normal.

It's been proven that it's all in your brain if you really want something and you allow it it will happen which means if you want to be attracted to men or women you can and Scientists have already tested it

They took a what we call Homosexual and asked him to tell them when he see an attractive person they showed him a picture of a Woman who took Testosterone and built a muscular body guess what was his response? "Attractive". Why? because he simply has a fetish, an environmental cause oh and before i forget they also showed him a picture of a woman and he had the same response.

Attraction is a lie you and other people believe, Science has proven that back in the days somewhere between the years 10-20 men didn't even care how women looked like because they didn't even know what shaving is or what make up is they cared about the Reproductive organs that will help them survive and bring a future generation to the world.

Judging by the way you talk you are obviously an american, brother no matter where did you hear it or what did you hear about it it's a lie - Sexual Orientation is a big lie because no one can be born with a sexual orientation you can simply know if a human is white or brown but you can't know what his sexual orientation is because it's a choice.

Why is it a choice? Because when you were born you weren't born with Sexual orientation and in fact you weren't thinking about sex or attraction when you were one year old after you grew up people taught you these stuff.

I may be a young kid however i do understand how life works and i'm obviously not brainwashed.

 

[Zanyteen16]

Are you going by what the Catholic Bible says? And if so why? Are you not a Christian?

I am neither gay nor an American. Baseless speculations about people you know nothing about will get you nowhere.

Good day.

EDIT: As I see you're a Catholic, you better read what our Church teaches about homosexuality.

Catechism of the Catholic Church - The sixth commandment

 

[graciesings]

Ok so no offense to anyone. I don't hate gays, but every time I make a statement about how its wrong and it hurts ppl they call me a hater and cuss at me over the internet I just want them to think about what I'm saying but they just tell me how there is no God and call me names. How do I get them to listen to me? What do you all think of gays?

I think it's wrong to engage in homosexual acts.

however, it isn't any more wrong than premarital sex between a man and a woman. It fits into God's description of sexual immorality, but it isn't an unforgivable sin.

I think the best way to deal with this is to meet people and be kind and gracious to them. Others will respect your Biblical opinions much more if they trust you to start with, and if you're kind to them.

 

[Scipio]

Are you going by what the Catholic Bible says? And if so why? Are you not a Christian?

Am I going by what the Catholic Bible says? yes. Why? 'cos it's the word of God. Am I not a Christian? yes I am.

However the Bible is subject to interpretation. And the distinctively Catholic position is that Jesus left us the Magisterium and the Church for that task. Hence why the need for the Catechism, it's an interpretation of the Bible according to Catholic teaching.

 

[Zanyteen16]

Totally agree with you, if we just stop shoving our Christianity at someone the first encounter we have with them then they will be more open to it.

I think it's wrong to engage in homosexual acts.

however, it isn't any more wrong than premarital sex between a man and a woman. It fits into God's description of sexual immorality, but it isn't an unforgivable sin.

I think the best way to deal with this is to meet people and be kind and gracious to them. Others will respect your Biblical opinions much more if they trust you to start with, and if you're kind to them.