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Featured How can we know if we are born again?

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by JohnB445, Feb 15, 2019.

  1. JacksBratt

    JacksBratt Searching for Truth

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    What does the bible say? Oscarr summed it up. Point blank.

    All these "religions" are man made. They all have faults. Christ was not looking for the religious.. He was looking for a relationship with you.

    Stop fretting over drivel of this concept and that concept... this denomination and that denomination... Catholic, Baptist, Dutch Reform, Pentecostal...... Jesus cares not.

    Follow what Oscarr has simply stated.... end of story.
     
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  2. old me

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  3. old me

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    Don't worry about it. God is not this angry god that is out to get you. He loves you!! Do the best you can and be happy. Always pray and ask for his guidance. Don't be fooled by some of these people. We all have questions about it all. Some simply will not admit it.
     
  4. HatGuy

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    Did Jesus die in history?

    Did he die for you?

    Answered yes?

    Then you believe.

    It's as simple as that. You either believe or you don't.

    Here's a question that helped me. What if I asked you if you believed 2+2=4?

    And you said yes.

    Then I asked you if you REALLY believed 2+2=4?

    Wouldn't it be impossible to actually answer that? Because actually, such a question is absurd.

    It's the same with faith. If you believe, you believe. If you don't, you don't. If you're questioning, you're simply questioning. You're not doing anything else.
     
  5. twin.spin

    twin.spin Trust the LORD and not on your own understanding

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    Us Lutherans, Baptists, Catholics, Orthodox will probably have the same answer concerning :preach:Pentecostals from New Zealand.
     
  6. Cement

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    I found this video really helpful and reassuring for me. I have often changed my mind about eternal security however I now believe it to be true.

     
  7. DamianWarS

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    Not one person can answer you here without influence of these systems and if you can't accept anything but corruption then you will have to ask God directly how you can be born again.
     
  8. Neostarwcc

    Neostarwcc Eternal life is a free gift. Amen. Supporter

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    I was fortunate. I got to meet Jesus but for those who have never seen Jesus this one can be complicated. First of all what you are going through is common. Most people go through it at some point in their lives.

    But if you came to Christ for salvation at some point in your life youre saved. The only exception to this rule is that if you later depart from the faith than God never made you born again. You know you are born again by fruits of the spirit.

    As for which denomination is the "right" one. Basically any Protestant church that follows the Bible is the "right" church. But I believe that all denominations are saved even if they disagree with me and what the Bible actually says.
     
  9. dstamps

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    I do not find your questions unreasonable. Man is infected with the self-serving nature; and that nature can be very deceiving. Obviously, the self-serving view of reality is very divisive. We see it daily in politics, personal relationships, business, etc. Everywhere Man is the self-serving nature is there also.

    Since the self-serving nature is automatically divisive, it has no eternal value because Heaven is perfect unity. For anything to be eternal--like life--it must have absolute unity. Therefore, our task is to rid ourselves of the self-serving nature. We must focus on a Purpose outside ourselves of which we are a contributing part--John 15. As a contributing part of a higher Purpose, each of us will have a purpose within the whole as a result of our particular gifts and abilities.

    All of us are aware of times when our focus was outward instead of inward. It may be a time when an adult runs in front of a speeding car to save a child that is about to be hit by the car. There are many similar situations that occur from time to time; but they are usually temporary. Instead the focus needs to be all the time--John 14:30.

    Jesus did not come to show us who we can't be but to show us who we need to be. The self-serving nature wants to convince us that having eternal life is easy; but he has been a liar from the beginning and is still doing the same today. Booting him out of our life will be the most difficult task we ever strive to do; but if we truly focus on serving the body Christ in everything we do each day, he will slowly die from starvation (expressing him, feeds him).
     
  10. PaulCyp1

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    We know because Jesus Christ promised us we could be reborn through water and the spirit. And we know that nothing has changed because He founded one Church, said it was to remain one, and promised that one Church that it would teach the fullness of truth until the end of time, and that he who hears His Church hears Him. Obviously definitions and teachings have been changed drastically by the thousands of unauthorized conflicting manmade denominations of Protestantism, the the teaching of His one true Church have remained unchanged for 2,000 years.
     
  11. Oscarr

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    What evidence do you have to support that?
     
  12. Oscarr

    Oscarr Senior Veteran Supporter

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    You are most certainly right. Pentecostalism is just another religious movement the same as the others. Although that is my label on CF, it does not replace Christ as the foundation of my faith.
     
  13. Oscarr

    Oscarr Senior Veteran Supporter

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    So, maybe you should amend some of the Scriptures, such as: "As many who have received the Church, God gave them power to become children of God". or "Whoever comes to the Church, I will in no wise cast them out". Or, "Come and reason with the Church and your sins will be whiter than snow". Or, "The Church is the way, the truth and the life and no one comes to the Father except by the Church". Because this is what you are actually saying.
     
  14. Oscarr

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    In the 11th Century AD, the bishops of Rome and Constantinople excommunicated each other, and so now you had two "true" churches. Both these bishops had equal authority in the church at the time. In fact, the bishop of Rome was just the bishop of his own region, and did not claim overall leadership of the Western churches until later. When he did claim that role, it was a self-appointment and maintained his position through political and religious dominance. Doesn't sound like a true representation of Jesus Christ to me.
     
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  16. Oscarr

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    Some early manuscripts have it and others don't. Most commentators believe that either the ending of an original manuscript was torn off, or that the ending was added by someone who believed it to be true and was based on common practice at the time.

    Continuance or Cessationist theologies can influence whether the passage is included or excluded from the text. The bulk of the KJV Bible was taken from Jerome's Latin Vulgate, and Jerome's Latin version is recognised as one of the most accurate translations of the Bible. He did not have a problem with including the passage in Mark 16, because he believed it to be true. But then, Cessationist theology would have been considered a heresy in his time.
     
  17. ViaCrucis

    ViaCrucis Evangelical Catholic of the Augsburg Confession

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    It's worth asking ourselves, in this discussion, how are we answering this question? Are we pointing to something outside of ourselves, or pointing to something inside of ourselves? Or even more explicitly: Are we pointing to something objective or something subjective?

    Are we looking to ourselves, to our own thoughts, feelings, behaviors? Or are we looking to something outside of ourselves, to something that actually happened, something concrete, actual.

    If my place with God is determined by subjective things such as works, feelings, thoughts, or such invisible, highly fickle, ever-shifting, never stable things, then one is building a foundation of faith upon shifting, shaking sand.

    But if my place with God is determined by objective things, God's works, God's word, God's promises, what Christ has done once and for all (etc), then we have a stable, never-changing, unalterable, immutable foundation upon which our faith can be built.

    Growing up I was frequently beset by horrible doubts and feelings of despair--what if I'm not saved? How can I know if I'm saved? And the answers I was always given always pointed back to myself: "When did you accept Jesus? And did you mean it?" I remember distinctly being only eight years old and being anxious-ridden because I was given just such an answer, "Did you mean it?" "Were you sincere?" And I didn't know. How could I know? How could I know if I really really meant it, what does that feel like? How could I know? How do I know that I did mean it, what if I thought I meant it, but I was only fooling myself. I was a maelstrom of interior turmoil. To which the (at least) implicit answer was that, if I really meant it, if I was really saved, then I should bear certain fruit--I would produce fruit evident of this faith.

    By the time I reached adolescence and hormones began to rage in my body, the despair and condemnation of my own thoughts frequently led toward every thought that I was not improving in righteousness, my moral life was not getting better, I was not producing the abundance of fruit that I ought. And in the quiet, hidden places of my heart--though I did not share it anyone else--I became convinced that God must surely despise me, that I was beyond hope. Surely with everyone around me so seemingly certain that they had believed, been sincere, and were now living lives of Christian virtue that I was a fluke, a freak, a mistake in the system. Why was I, out of everyone I knew, to be condemned by my own inability to truly make my decision to follow Jesus and make Him Lord and Savior of my life. Christ's face was hidden from me, behind the dark veil of righteousness which all my teachers had convinced me I was to show in my life.

    The truth is that Christ's face was never hidden from me, but I was always being pointed in the wrong direction. I was always looking inward, to myself, because that is what I was taught and told to do--to look to my own feelings, thoughts, decisions, acts of will, my own choices.

    Christ is not hidden from us. His face is set right before us, in His Gospel. So that when the word is preached to you, that Christ died for you, that Christ came to save sinners, that God demonstrates His love in that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us, it's yours. It's not up to you to make that true for yourself, that statement is true, objectively true. Christ is Lord and Savior without your permission. And God has provided us with signs and Means by which He has declared His word and promise to be visibly, solidly, concretely known.

    That's why the Apostle can say, "All of you who were baptized into Christ have put on Christ". Because the you that went into the water came out a new creation, born anew, born from above, a child of God, with the white robes of Christ's own righteousness. Baptism is not some token ritual to make people feel better about themselves, to boast in their own religiosity and piety; it is the sacred and holy Means, God's own flag in the ground, that makes you a child of God. When you were baptized God staked His claim over your entire life, His flag is upon you. Indeed, His very Name is written upon you, which is why you were baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit. God has clothed you with His own beloved Son, He has given you the gift and promise of His Holy Spirit. The name and claim of God is upon you, now and always, and there is nothing in all of creation that can destroy that,

    "For I am convinced that neither death nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor height, nor depth, nor any other thing in all of creation, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord." - Romans 8:38-39

    You have been sealed by God, sealed in Christ, sealed by the Holy Spirit. You were baptized, that's what it means to be baptized. You belong to Jesus Christ, and all which belongs to Christ belongs to God. You are God's, now and forever. Trust this good news, rejoice in this good news, it is yours. Rejoice, be glad, and praise the God who loves you--who has always loved you, who always will love you, and who keeps you.

    -CryptoLutheran
     
  18. Legroom

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    The proof is in the pudding of what happens to goofy people who take it seriously.

    Snake-Handling Pentecostal Pastor Dies From Snake Bite
     
  19. Oscarr

    Oscarr Senior Veteran Supporter

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    Just because some goofy person misuses the Scripture, it doesn't mean that the Scripture itself is false. I wonder how many goofy people you have in your church? Probably as many as the goofy people I have encountered in the churches I have been associated with. :)
     
  20. RaymondG

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    I only handle snakes when I have to. We shouldn't tempt the Lord
     
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