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Then why are we sometimes referred to as 'glorified apes'?
Because we're apes, not monkeys. Primates split into monkeys and apes, and we emerged from the latter category. Thus, we are humans, we are apes, and we are primates, but we're not monkeys.
 
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Because we're apes, not monkeys. Primates split into monkeys and apes, and we emerged from the latter category. Thus, we are humans, we are apes, and we are primates, but we're not monkeys.
Got it -- thanks!
 
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"Horse-ish"?
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If evolution is still an ongoing process then this horse-ish transition is still ongoing and what we call a horse is really still a horse-ish.
Well, that depends on what we call a 'horse'. The modern organisms today we call horses, and our benchmark for colloquial taxonomy is what exists today. Each ancestor of a given horse is less horse-like than the last, to the point where it doesn't have any of the defining features. Nomenclature is a testament to human language, not a detriment to evolution: we call doves and pigeons by different names because they look superficially different, yet they're essentially the same animal.

So you can quibble over semantics if you wish, but do try to keep the big picture in mind.
 
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Big changes in the minds of evolutionists, but not in the world of reality. It has never been observed. Only inferred. In other words, assumed.

I find myself repeating this often here. An inference is not an assumption.

in·fer /ɪnˈfɜr/ [in-fur] to derive by reasoning; conclude or judge from premises or evidence.
Infer | Define Infer at Dictionary.com

You guys are getting to the point of false witness....
 
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I think your god will be able to cope.

You do seem to apply one standard to science and another to the bible. Why?

That's the point. Their God can't "cope". An allegedly omnipotent God needs defending against those big bad scientists....really?

Nothing to do with their faith falling apart if literalistic readings of certain bits of the Bible are shown up to be totally wrong, no sir.
 
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I find myself repeating this often here. An inference is not an assumption.

in·fer /ɪnˈfɜr/ [in-fur] to derive by reasoning; conclude or judge from premises or evidence.

Infer | Define Infer at Dictionary.com


You guys are getting to the point of false witness....
I infer "Renewal Creation", not "Evolution".
 
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That's the point. Their God can't "cope". An allegedly omnipotent God needs defending against those big bad scientists....really?

Nothing to do with their faith falling apart if literalistic readings of certain bits of the Bible are shown up to be totally wrong, no sir.
Literalistic readings of certain bits of science are shown up to be totally wrong, yes sir.
 
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Literalistic readings of certain bits of science are shown up to be totally wrong, yes sir.
As science can be defined as what we know to be true (or at least as yet not proven to be not true) by rational, logical, intelligent thinking based on evidence, it is unlikely that your statement is correct.

When you are criticising science, you are criticising logical thinking, the very thing that separates humans from animals. It's interesting that logical, rational thought, supposedly given to us by god as his greatest gift, is dismissed as evil by his most ardent adherents. Saying 'science can take a hike' is actually urging you to remove your mind.

It's interesting that religion should encourage you to stop thinking. Not really surprising, given the dismal standards of thinking demonstrated by creationists here, but interesting nonetheless.
 
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"Pluto is our 9th planet." -- circa AD2000.

In France they call steer "acier". Therefore, by your AV Logic, the whole of material science and construction is fundamentally flawed. They have a different name for it, gosh darn it! :p
 
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Saying 'science can take a hike' is actually urging you to remove your mind.
I don't think you have a clue what I mean by that phrase.
 
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In France they call steer "acier". Therefore, by your AV Logic, the whole of material science and construction is fundamentally flawed. They have a different name for it, gosh darn it! :p
:scratch: -- Must be a private joke.
 
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Perhaps you could enlighten us.
Why don't you plod through almost 2.3 million posts and find out for yourself?

You're the one equating it with "removing one's mind".

Is that your way of finding out information?

By making a snide remark at someone's tag line, then sitting back and hope they'll go into defense mode and explain it?

Did you read that post the other day where some girl asked everyone but me if Embedded Age is known by anyone else?

I'm still waiting for you guys to answer her.
 
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Why don't you plod through almost 2.3 million posts and find out for yourself?

You're the one equating it with "removing one's mind".

Is that your way of finding out information?

By making a snide remark at someone's tag line, then sitting back and hope they'll go into defense mode and explain it?

Did you read that post the other day where some girl asked everyone but me if Embedded Age is known by anyone else?

I'm still waiting for you guys to answer her.
Stop whingeing and just answer the question. You habitually avoid and ignore questions, give evasive answers and change the topic, and then you have the gall to whinge about someone else's question being unanswered. Answer it yourself. Go on, have a go.
 
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:scratch: -- Must be a private joke.

Saying that because they changed the name of a group of extraterrestrial bodies invalidates science is as valid an argument as saying that calling something by a different name in different languages invalidates whatever you are referring to.

I could have said that "God" in English used to be "ǥuđán" in Proto-Germanic. How you name something in no way effects what that thing is.
 
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As science can be defined as what we know to be true (or at least as yet not proven to be not true)
Has it yet been proven that all that scientists claim to know is actually true?
by rational, logical, intelligent thinking based on evidence, it is unlikely that your statement is correct.
If scientists are so rational, logical and intelligent in their thinking when they analyze evidence, then they should never be wrong. Yet, they often are. Why is that? How can a rational, logical, intelligent thinking being ever be wrong?
When you are criticising science, you are criticising logical thinking, the very thing that separates humans from animals.
Since scientists consider themselves animals then your point is meaningless.
It's interesting that logical, rational thought, supposedly given to us by god as his greatest gift, is dismissed as evil by his most ardent adherents.
God didn't create animals in His image as scientists believe they are, so your point is, again, meaningless.
Saying 'science can take a hike' is actually urging you to remove your mind.
Do you mean remove our mind as in not focusing our mind on the junk promoted by scientism? We already did that.
It's interesting that religion should encourage you to stop thinking.
It encourages us to stop thinking like scientismists and recognize there is more to reality than the scientific.
Not really surprising, given the dismal standards of thinking demonstrated by creationists here, but interesting nonetheless.
The dismal standards of thinking demonstrated by scientismists here is not interesting at all.
 
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