How can u believe it?

[Agonaces of Susa]

I call Poe.

I call genius.

 

[Skaloop]

I call genius.

Yes, Nathan Poe certainly could be considered a genius!

[And yes, I know this is another zombie thread courtesy our friendly neighbourhood 1611man (Does whatever a 1611 can!) but let this serve as a warning to others.]

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

Yes, Nathan Poe certainly could be considered a genius!

Only if you're living in an alternate reality or alternate universe.

Personally I would need excessive amounts of DMT to ever draw that conclusion.

 

[laconicstudent]

Only if you're living in an alternate reality or alternate universe.

Personally I would need excessive amounts of DMT to ever draw that conclusion.

Wow. So witty.

 

[Skaloop]

Only if you're living in an alternate reality or alternate universe.

Personally I would need excessive amounts of DMT to ever draw that conclusion.

And yet you said it. So you're under the influence of excessive amounts of DMT. Which would actually explain a heck of a lot...

 

[laconicstudent]

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

Seriously, with the lack of evidence for evolution how could anyone call themselves intelligent and think that we evolved from apes. Your intelligence may suggest it, but God has told me otherwise.

For anyone who thinks that God didn't create us in a divine manner I have 2 words for you, Bombardier Beetle.

And I have five words for you. Evolution of the bombardier beetle. Why didn't god tell you about this?

YouTube - Evolution of the Bombardier Beetle

 

[Cabal]

The answer is in your question, my friend -- they call themselves that -- almost literally.

You wear your ignorance like a badge, we actively combat our ignorance. Problem?

The term 'Homo sapiens' means 'wise man'; and according to the Scriptures, this can lead to atheism:

Ro 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

Can you actually point to examples of this?

Here's a hint - telling someone that they need to understand something before they can properly criticise it, or calling someone foolish for refusing to do so are not examples of this.

Is it any wonder that evolution is the preferred doctrine of atheists?

No, because it's not a doctrine. But keep up the self-hatred, it's entertaining

 

[RyanLeeParis]

I think people just say they believe in evolution because all their friends pretend to be atheist and therefore they too must believe in evolution, because of peer pressure.

If anyone stood alone and thought deeply, they'd know there's holes in the theory. Heck you are assuming something is true when you have not even actually seen it take place.

Don't believe me? What came before the zebra? What creature turned into the zebra? You've never seen it so you couldn't say. It's exactly the same with evolution theory.

Like it or not, it's faith. It's faith because you are trusting something you haven't seen happen.

 

[Ayersy]

I think people just say they believe in evolution because all their friends pretend to be atheist and therefore they too must believe in evolution, because of peer pressure.

If anyone stood alone and thought deeply, they'd know there's holes in the theory. Heck you are assuming something is true when you have not even actually seen it take place.

Don't believe me? What came before the zebra? What creature turned into the zebra? You've never seen it so you couldn't say. It's exactly the same with evolution theory.

Like it or not, it's faith. It's faith because you are trusting something you haven't seen happen.

 

[Catherineanne]

Seriously, with the lack of evidence for evolution how could anyone call themselves intelligent and think that we evolved from apes. Your intelligence may suggest it, but God has told me otherwise.

For anyone who thinks that God didn't create us in a divine manner I have 2 words for you, Bombardier Beetle.

Poe notwithstanding, in case you are serious:

Where in Scripture does it say that if I want Biblical interpretation, I have to ask you for it?

Until you can provide such a verse, I will continue to rely on the Holy Spirit, and you can keep your Bombardier Beetles.

But thanks for offering. Most kind.

 

[Catherineanne]

A Poe is any forum post that violates Poe's Law, which is as follows:

"Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that someone won't mistake for the real thing."

So to 'call Poe' is to say that the post in question is suspected of being a parody of Fundamentalism.

The term was coined by our own Nathan Poe, I believe.

What is a suspected parody of Liberalism called? Can it be done?

 

[Catherineanne]

Only if you're living in an alternate reality or alternate universe.

Most perceptive.

Indeed we are.

 

[Catherineanne]

I think people just say they believe in evolution because all their friends pretend to be atheist and therefore they too must believe in evolution, because of peer pressure.

If anyone stood alone and thought deeply, they'd know there's holes in the theory. Heck you are assuming something is true when you have not even actually seen it take place.

Don't believe me? What came before the zebra? What creature turned into the zebra? You've never seen it so you couldn't say. It's exactly the same with evolution theory.

Like it or not, it's faith. It's faith because you are trusting something you haven't seen happen.

Did you see your great grandparents? Or their parents? Or theirs?

If not, they did not exist. If you think they did, then you are assuming something that you have not seen take place, and for which you have no proof. You may have evidence, but evidence is not proof.

Like it or not ... etc etc.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

I think people just say they believe in evolution because all their friends pretend to be atheist and therefore they too must believe in evolution, because of peer pressure.

What makes you think this?

If anyone stood alone and thought deeply, they'd know there's holes in the theory. Heck you are assuming something is true when you have not even actually seen it take place.

Such as?

Don't believe me? What came before the zebra? What creature turned into the zebra? You've never seen it so you couldn't say. It's exactly the same with evolution theory.

Horses have one of the most well-documented and complete fossil histories known to man, a few of which are shown in this famous picture:

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The immediate ancestor to the modern Equus genus is Plesippus.

Like it or not, it's faith. It's faith because you are trusting something you haven't seen happen.

Nonsense. It's faith if I have no reason to believe it, not merely if I haven't seen it. I haven't seen atoms, but I know they're there. An investigator to a crime doesn't have to have been there and witnessed the murder first-hand to know a murder took place - blood patterns alone can prove that.

Evidence, dear RLP, is what makes the world go round. Complaining that you haven't seen evolution first-hand is a vapid argument: the mere fact that you haven't seen it, or that you aren't convinced by the evidence, isn't proof positive that the theory is full of holes. As you so clearly demonstrated, you quite spectacularly fail to grasp the point of the fossil record and of evidence-based research.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

What is a suspected parody of Liberalism called? Can it be done?

If it's a parody of fundamentalist liberalism, I guess that would be a Poe too. Presumably, fundamentalist liberalism would be people who don't understand liberalism but shout its slogans anyway, abusing the opposition with a hoity-toity holier-than-thou attitude, driving hybrid cars without really knowing anything about climate change, etc.
Don't get me wrong, I'm as liberal as they come, but some liberals are... annoying

 

[AV1611VET]

The immediate ancestor to the modern Equus genus is Plesippus.

The fossil record can take a hike.

All you guys do is draw a line [of faith] between these drawings to connect the dots.

You don't know if that Hyracotherium turned into a Mesohippus, and then into a Merychippus, and then into a Pliohippus, etc; you just assume they did.

And the fact that these are drawings shows even more faith.

You guys like to accuse us of god-of-the-gaps, but the biggest fillers of gaps are scientists who prefer an easel to a clipboard.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

The fossil record can take a hike.

It disagrees with the Bible, so I'd expect no less.

All you guys do is draw a line [of faith] between these drawings to connect the dots.

You don't know if that Hyracotherium turned into a Mesohippus, and then into a Merychippus, and then into a Pliohippus, etc; you just assume they did.

Actually, we don't. We know it's quite unlikely that the individuals whose fossils we have today, are actually direct ancestors of modern species. They may have never sired a child, or their species may represent an evolutionary dead-end. Nonetheless, there is sufficient anatomical, geographic, genetic, and radiometric data to let us be confident in our conclusions: Hyracotherium is ancestral to Mesohippus, or is at least a close relative the ancestral species of the time. At the very least, it fits everything we'd expect to find in the ancestor of Mesohippus: it has the right features, the right genetics, it's in the right place in the geologic record, it's dated to the right era, etc.

If I see a woman lying face-down with a knife in her back and a man running away down the alley, it's a fair bet that he stabbed her. I may be connecting the dots, but that hardly means I'm destined to be completely wrong.

And the fact that these are drawings shows even more faith.

The drawings are idealisations to help people learn. Have you never seen a children's Bible with pictures? I've still got mine.

You guys like to accuse us of god-of-the-gaps, but the biggest fillers of gaps are scientists who prefer an easel to a clipboard.

Since you criticise scientists for using clipboards anyway, there's not a lot to say.

 

[AV1611VET]

Nonetheless, there is sufficient anatomical, geographic, genetic, and radiometric data to let us be confident in our conclusions...

Ya -- in other words -- you don't know.

You werent' there, and given their penchants for calling guys with bone diseases "Neanderthals" and what-not, I have very little faith in their accuracy.

These could have been horses that died of bone diseases as well.

But you'll never know.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Ya -- in other words -- you don't know.

We know in the same way we know how big the Moon is - I haven't stuck a tape-measure round it, but even I could calculate it using my telescope. I'm happy to base my knowledge on empirical evidence, and I frankly don't care if you don't do the same.

You werent' there, and given their penchants for calling guys with bone diseases "Neanderthals" and what-not, I have very little faith in their accuracy.

Yet you have a lot of faith in the Bible. Go figure.