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How can the grace of God be resisted by some yet received by others?

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Colossians 1:11-14
[11]We also pray that you will be strengthened with all his glorious power so you will have all the endurance and patience you need. May you be filled with joy,
[12]always thanking the Father. He has enabled you to share in the inheritance that belongs to his people, who live in the light.
[13]For he has rescued us from the kingdom of darkness and transferred us into the Kingdom of his dear Son,
[14]who purchased our freedom and forgave our sins.
 
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Colossians 2:13-14
[13]You were dead because of your sins and because your sinful nature was not yet cut away. Then God made you alive with Christ, for he forgave all our sins.
[14]He canceled the record of the charges against us and took it away by nailing it to the cross.
 
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I love God's word.

1 Timothy 1:13-17
[13]even though I used to blaspheme the name of Christ. In my insolence, I persecuted his people. But God had mercy on me because I did it in ignorance and unbelief.
[14]Oh, how generous and gracious our Lord was! He filled me with the faith and love that come from Christ Jesus.
[15]This is a trustworthy saying, and everyone should accept it: “Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners”—and I am the worst of them all.
[16]But God had mercy on me so that Christ Jesus could use me as a prime example of his great patience with even the worst sinners. Then others will realize that they, too, can believe in him and receive eternal life.
[17]All honor and glory to God forever and ever! He is the eternal King, the unseen one who never dies; he alone is God. Amen.
 
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How good it is to read God's word.

2 Timothy 1:9-12
[9]For God saved us and called us to live a holy life. He did this, not because we deserved it, but because that was his plan from before the beginning of time—to show us his grace through Christ Jesus.
[10]And now he has made all of this plain to us by the appearing of Christ Jesus, our Savior. He broke the power of death and illuminated the way to life and immortality through the Good News.
[11]And God chose me to be a preacher, an apostle, and a teacher of this Good News.
[12]That is why I am suffering here in prison. But I am not ashamed of it, for I know the one in whom I trust, and I am sure that he is able to guard what I have entrusted to him until the day of his return.
 
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I am grateful for God's grace, given to me by God's choice.

Titus 3:4-7
[4]But—When God our Savior revealed his kindness and love,
[5]he saved us, not because of the righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He washed away our sins, giving us a new birth and new life through the Holy Spirit.
[6]He generously poured out the Spirit upon us through Jesus Christ our Savior.
[7]Because of his grace he declared us righteous and gave us confidence that we will inherit eternal life.
 
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What translation is that?

What is it, you were once dead, or were you given life when Jesus was raised? You can't have both.
 
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I wonder why nothing is said about 'coming' to Jesus to have life. Did Jesus change His mind after Paul arrived? Was Jesus telling us the truth?
 
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Why did leave out any words of life from Jesus? Was this on purpose? Now show me where Jesus said these things which Paul said.
 
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Ew, Jesus (God) gives us all the Scripture. You have no reason to reject the verses that show God choosing.

On top of this, I already showed how John 6:37 also teaches that God chose us.

There is nothing left to say on this matter. You are clearly rejecting Scripture in an effort to retain your argument.
 
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You showed me Paul's way of life; later today I will show you Jesus' way of life. Then we can compare them.
 
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This doesn't show predestination.

We know that we are co-heirs with Christ to the Father.
 
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You reject a lot of scripture yourself to stay with the theory that Jesus died only for the sins of the elect. So don't act like your theology reconciles perfectly with the Bible, because it doesn't.
 
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MennoSota said:
Jesus gave Paul the words to write. We have just discussed Jesus words in John. At this point you are openly rejecting God's word. There is nothing more to say when you reject God's word to maintain an errant theology.
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Bowing out gracefully. But bowing out nonetheless
 
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We ALL love God's Word. It is the lamp beneath our feet.
 
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Read the whole prodigal son story.

Luke 15: 17 “When he came to his senses, he said, ‘How many of my father’s hired servants have food to spare, and here I am starving to death! 18 I will set out and go back to my father and say to him: Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. 19 I am no longer worthy to be called your son; make me like one of your hired servants.’ 20 So he got up and went to his father.

Jesus would use the very best words to convey the meaning and Jesus did not say: “God brought him to his senses”, but Jesus did say “he came to his senses”. How did he do it if he was in a dead state or can you do this if you are in a dead state? We know the young man was in a dead state because:

Luke 15: 24 “For this son of mine was dead and is alive again…” and Luke 15:32 “…because this brother of yours was dead and is alive again;…”

The Father (representing God) does not say “We thought he was dead” or “was like dead”.

There is not a definition given for being “Spiritually dead” so we cannot say exactly what that means, but from this passage Jesus is teaching us a spiritually dead person can repent.

It is a lot more complex than just looking at it and giving one meaning to “spiritually dead”. In one since the young man does not have Godly type Love and Paul teaches us (1 Cor. 13) without this Godly type Love you can do nothing of value (it is worthless) so in that since what the young man did in even repenting was “worthless” of no value. The young man is actually being “motivated” by self seeking reasoning, but it does cause him to swallow his pride. The acceptance of the Father’s Love is really not “doing” something but more allowing something to be done to you.

In other words, the young son did not really “do” anything in his dead state, but did allow the father to do stuff for him. The Young man could have gone on in the pigsty trying on his own to recover (maintaining some pride), but that would be really trying to stay alive by doing something as compared to giving up (being a walking dead person).
 
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Except the prodigal son in the parable STARTED WITH THE FATHER AS HIS SON.

The world's population as a whole does not, but STARTS as sons of disobedience.
(and they keep doing as their father does)
And many other things have been overlooked and mis-spoken as well....

For other threads though, or for other places, and other times.
 
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We discussed this already, bling.

The prodigal was already chosen. He was already a son. He is not someone from the village who just shows up and chooses the land owner to be his father.

If you are going to attempt to use a parable to build your theology around, at least set the table correctly.

There seems to be nothing left to say. I have provided an ample amount of Scripture passages to express why I believe God is Sovereign and chooses to redeem sinners as He wills. This is enough. The rest is between you and God.
 
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bottomofsandal said:
You have it backwards.
I could not resist when God called.

Saving grace, grace unto salvation cannot fail.
The effectual, irrevocable call is always successful.
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In parables people refused the invitation.
 
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