How can RCs and Protestants reconcile

[LittleLambofJesus]

Well, you see, we don't just toss the bible out the window. We are let the words of Christ dwell richly within us, and to be conformed to the image of HIS Son. Hard to do that when we don't have those 4 accounts to work with besides prayer, ya know?

It would be nice to just let everyone play on the play ground, but Christ brought a sword for a reason, and that sword will eventually separate the tares from the wheat and the goats from the sheep.

The spirit compels me.........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vOW9jBDP7g

 

[ARBITER01]

To pit any other person as DARKNESS and yourSELF as Light is a darkness of its own self delusion.

That's incorrect. We are only children of light when we become born again into His kingdom, elsewise we are a fallen race and sons of darkness from birth, with satan as our father.

 

[ARBITER01]

The spirit compels me.........

That's a great movie that the video is based off of.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

Well a related question would be: are there any born again Christians among the RCC?

I don't know of any, but it's theorhetically possible that a Catholic could be born again in spite of Catholic teaching.

It would be difficult, though, since they don't believe in the Biblical doctrine of being born again.

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[ARBITER01]

Well a related question would be: are there any born again Christians among the RCC?

Many in the Charismatic Catholic batch are, not all are though.

 

[christianmomof3]

Reconciling to me is easy. We need to ditch "exclusitivity" doctrines and teachings. We need to trash our insistances on being "separate" and recognize each other as all parts of the Body of Christ. We're not judges. We don't have the authority to condemn one another. But, we're so scared that our beliefs could possibly be a bit faulty that we believe we must continually argue that "we're right and those who do not agree 100% are wrong."

When we stand before Christ, He is not going to ask us what church we attended, what faith we belonged to, or what pew we sat in. We will all be judged individually.

The Bible discusses that "all" body parts are necessary and equally important, so if my faith is relegated to the "pinky finger" or "little toe," I will humbly and happily serve Christ in that role.

Really, reconciliation, could be very simple.

That is kind of what I said, but everyone ignored my answer, as I imagine they will ignore yours.

bump - still waiting for an answer to this.


Also, to reply to the op - here is part of something I replied earlier:

In the situation here, people would have to want reconcilliation between the different Christian groups and be willing to admit that they are probably wrong in some of their opinions. I think that all of the groups have some things right and all of them have some things wrong. Unless they want reconcilliation, it won't happen. Unless people are willing to go to the cross and put their self and pride aside, it won't happen.

I think that when most of the people on here say they want reconcilliation, what they really mean is "I want everybody else to admit they are wrong and join MY group because it is the right one."

We need to be those willing to grow in Christ and desiring to express Him to others.

I am home on the computer now because I am sick. I had to call in sick from work tonight too, which is not good since my husband was laid off from his job at the end of Dec. and I only have a low paying job at a dept. store right now.

 

[squint]

Well you see, I don't throw out a mass of things at once, I'm quite stable enough in myself to go point by point over things.

And what you have just done is agreed that you are a universalist,

And what that 'term' may conjure up in your head, God only knows.

but you see, John is not the determining factor when it comes to what the gospels say, Jesus is, and He said we are to be born again first.

Well, I actually found Jesus to be pretty clear on the loving our neighbors gig as well. Your point?

If you are not born again, you are not one of His, no matter how much love you exhibit.

Back to 1 John 4:7 to see who knows God and is 'born of God' then eh?

You should review what you think you understand on this because love in itself is not enough,

Again, sez YOU. I see otherwise:

Galatians 5:6
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.

GOD requires our robes to be washed in the blood of the lamb.

And I do not believe that mankind has to push all your doctrinal buttons to make God effective as YOU see it.

I believe God is QUITE EFFECTIVE all by His Lonesome and QUITE apart from our methodologies and incantations that 'some' employ to supposedly save themselves FROM Him. I find that entire notion somewhat laughable.

enjoy!

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[LittleLambofJesus]

That's a great movie that the video is based off of.

YEP. I still shed a few tears sometimes when I watch that u-tube for some reason.
Elder women enjoying the thrill of a game but also respecting and loving each other.

 

[squint]

Actually, I said the Catholic church, not "any other person".

Well, let's just reterm it to that then.

TO say that your 'church' has ALL the light and their 'church' has none is just as ridiculous.

 

[Nadiine]

To pit any other person as DARKNESS and yourSELF as Light is a darkness of its own self delusion.

sorry, Paul did this in speaking of some....

It's no wonder in this forum, so many just cannot make distinctions
of false teachers & false teachings...
you're programmed to think that you cannot KNOW the truth of God
& that you cannot claim to be right.
That's evil around here.

& it's no wonder people are led by false teachers too.

John 8:32
And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”

2 Timothy 2:25
in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth,

It boils down to some are right & some are wrong.
In the end, God will make the judgments on who had it wrong
& who had it right.
It's not that we cannot know

 

[sunlover1]

The SAME ONES He was speaking to HERE:

John 8:44
Ye are of yourfather the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

It shouldn't take any of us long to make this connection personal but not too many can be that honest about their own condition.

enjoy!

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Right, their father is the devil.
He wasnt speaking TO the devil.

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To pit any other person as DARKNESS and yourSELF as Light is a darkness of its own self delusion.

8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth
10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord. 11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. http://christianforums.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=50568381#_ftn1
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18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. 19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.http://christianforums.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=50568381#_ftn1
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That's incorrect. We are only children of light when we become born again into His kingdom, elsewise we are a fallen race and sons of darkness from birth, with satan as our father.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

Well, let's just reterm it to that then.

TO say that your 'church' has ALL the light and their 'church' has none is just as ridiculous.

That isn't what I said.

 

[racer]

I really disagree with this - just apply it to JW's or Mormons & see how
that works to reconcile.

I'm not referring to all religion, we're talking about Christianity here.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

sorry, Paul did this in speaking of some....It's no wonder in this forum, so many just cannot make distinctions

of false teachers & false teachings...
you're programmed to think that you cannot KNOW the truth of God
& that you cannot claim to be right.
That's evil around here.

& it's no wonder people are led by false teachers too.

2 Peter 2:1 There became yet also False-Prophets in the people as also in ye shall be False-Teachers/yeudodidaskaloi <5572> whoany shall be carrying in sects of destruction, and the One buying them, Owner/Master/despothn <1203> disowning, bringing on them swift destruction. [Matt 24:11/Jude 1:4]

James 3:1 No many teachers be ye becoming! brethren! of me, being aware greater judgement/krima <2917> we shall be receiving.

 

[ARBITER01]

And I do not believe that mankind has to push all your doctrinal buttons to make God effective as YOU see it.

I believe God is QUITE EFFECTIVE all by His Lonesome and QUITE apart from our methodologies and incantations that 'some' employ to supposedly save themselves FROM Him. I find that entire notion somewhat laughable.

enjoy!

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You don't like that born-again doctrinal requirement do you? You think a persons love is good enough, but GOD says different,....

Rev 7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, These that are arrayed in white robes, who are they, and whence came they?

Rev 7:14 And I say unto him, My lord, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they that come of the great tribulation, and they washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Rev 7:15 Therefore are they before the throne of God; and they serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall spread his tabernacle over them.

Love manifested itself in form of GOD's Son, nothing more, and unless you become born again yourself, you personal love delusion will not be enough in the end.

 

[squint]

That's incorrect. We are only children of light when we become born again into His kingdom, elsewise we are a fallen race and sons of darkness from birth, with satan as our father.

And yet ANOTHER common false understanding.

Mankind are GODS OFFSPRING...clearly taught by Paul (and the RCC I might add) in Acts 17:23-29.

ALSO, all of ISRAEL (whom we KNOW were not ALL believers) were taught in the O.T. to be GODS CHILDREN...so NO, even in UNbelief they were certainly SLAVES of darkness but not CHILDREN of the DEVIL.

Children of the DEVIL are in fact AN ENTIRELY SEPARATE ENTITY CLASS than mankind but these are WITH and or UPON mankind presently=even as "THEY" are with YOU....if you 'do the math.'

All have sinned as a past tense action... ROMANS 3:23

All have SIN as a present tense condition... Romans 7:17-21, 1 John 1:8

All who DO SIN are OF THE DEVIL... 1 John 3:8

So, yes, we all do have this connection. But this does by NO MEANS make mankind DEVILS.

enjoy!

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[Markus6]

It would be difficult, though, since they don't believe in the Biblical doctrine of being born again.

That's quite a claim. Any Catholics like to confirm that you don't believe in this passage:

1Now there was a man of the Pharisees, named (A)Nicodemus, a (B)ruler of the Jews;
2this man came to Jesus by night and said to Him, "(C)Rabbi, we know that You have come from God as a teacher; for no one can do these (D)signs that You do unless (E)God is with him."
3Jesus answered and said to him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one (F)is born again he cannot see (G)the kingdom of God."
4Nicodemus said to Him, "How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born, can he?"
5Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of (H)water and the Spirit he cannot enter into (I)the kingdom of God.
6"(J)That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7"Do not be amazed that I said to you, 'You must be born again.'
8"(K)The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit."
9Nicodemus said to Him, "How can these things be?"
10Jesus answered and said to him, "Are you (L)the teacher of Israel and do not understand these things?
11"Truly, truly, I say to you, (M)we speak of what we know and (N)testify of what we have seen, and (O)you do not accept our testimony.
12"If I told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things?
13"(P)No one has ascended into heaven, but (Q)He who descended from heaven: (R)the Son of Man.
14"As (S)Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must (T)the Son of Man (U)be lifted up;
15so that whoever [a]believes will (V)in Him have eternal life.
16"For God so (W)loved the world, that He (X)gave His (Y)only begotten Son, that whoever (Z)believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
17"For God (AA)did not send the Son into the world (AB)to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.
18"(AC)He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of (AD)the only begotten Son of God.
19"This is the judgment, that (AE)the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for (AF)their deeds were evil.
20"(AG)For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21"But he who (AH)practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God."

 

[ARBITER01]

sorry, Paul did this in speaking of some....

It's no wonder in this forum, so many just cannot make distinctions
of false teachers & false teachings...
you're programmed to think that you cannot KNOW the truth of God
& that you cannot claim to be right.
That's evil around here.

& it's no wonder people are led by false teachers too.

John 8:32
And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”

2 Timothy 2:25
in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth,

It boils down to some are right & some are wrong.
In the end, God will make the judgments on who had it wrong
& who had it right.
It's not that we cannot know

Good post!

 

[JohnDeereFan]

That's quite a claim. Any Catholics like to confirm that you don't believe in this verse:

First of all, that's a passage, not a verse.

Second, they will say that they believe that passage but they will say that they are born again at baptism, not what the Bible teaches about being born again.

 

[racer]

it's not that easy when there are some doctrines of the church itself
that can be construed as idolatrous (and I think are idolatrous in some
ways) -

Yes, we can construe anything as Idolotry, that doesn't make us correct. Idolatry is when we do not acknowledge or Worship God and replace him with other gods or idols. It's a very sticky subject, and I don't think "we" are in a position to judge.

The issue is that people are rejecting that they're believers in the first place becuz it's being placed into false doctrines that don't lead to
the salvation, but a false god. (ie. Mary).

Through many discussions on these boards, I've been corrected and have adjusted my understandings accordingly. The Catholic faith does not require "Mary" worship.

Imo, I don't see these things as being fixable - there are loads of threads hashing out the doctrines & there's no compromise in either direction.

That's because as sinful "people" we let our pride rule us and not our hearts. Me included! You'll see me participating in many debates.

I think you just have to admit you disagree & walk away from one
another & use ignore. OR, take the opportunity to disagree w/ their
point & state what you believe is biblical to correct it publically.

So, you believe reconcilliation is not possible. "I" believe it's possible but not likely.

But it probly doesn't have to turn into a slug fest.

Oh, but it usually does.