How can RCs and Protestants reconcile

[Markus6]

Why must we even ask the question re: reconciliation between RC & P's?

Go Cards!

Because having all of those who are saved by the blood of Christ working together would be a good thing. We are one body and we should recognise it.

 

[ARBITER01]

Sorry fella but before you start shooting from the hip you may want to read and actually try to understand what is being said before imposing your predeterminations which ARE FALSE.



I have no issues with the LAKE OF FIRE and THE DEVIL and his messengers being IN THERE. Where are THEY now might be a good question for you to look at? You may also ask yourself if what you THINK applies to mankind MAY apply to THEM if THEY are in and with mankind?


And fwiw there is not one single named individual person in the entire text of the Bible given as an example of what you THINK you see BUT if you do happen to find one, you jes give me a holla, K?

enjoy!

squint

Sorry my friend, but your viewpoints are universalist. Just because someone loves doesn't automatically make them born of GOD. That is your jist of things you are trying to get folks to believe on here and it doesn't add up in scripture.

 

[christianmomof3]

Originally Posted by katholikos

Fair enough.

Be baptised, and receive the Body and Blood of Christ in the Eucharist at the Father's table.
I think that is an acceptable answer explaining what your religion teaches.
Sections 1 and 2 of the Catechism Of The Catholic Church:

God, infinitely perfect and blessed in himself, in a plan of sheer goodness freely created man to make him share in his own blessed life. For this reason, at every time and in every place, God draws close to man. He calls man to seek him, to know him, to love him with all his strength. He calls together all men, scattered and divided by sin, into the unity of his family, the Church. To accomplish this, when the fullness of time had come, God sent his Son as Redeemer and Savior. In his Son and through him, he invites men to become, in the Holy Spirit, his adopted children and thus heirs of his blessed life.

So that this call should resound throughout the world, Christ sent forth the apostles he had chosen, commissioning them to proclaim the gospel: "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age." Strengthened by this mission, the apostles "went forth and preached everywhere, while the Lord worked with them and confirmed the message by the signs that attended it.
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Can you please put that in your own words briefly?
If someone actually asked you that question, have you memorized this and is this what you would reply?

bump - still waiting for an answer to this.


Also, to reply to the op - here is part of something I replied earlier:

In the situation here, people would have to want reconcilliation between the different Christian groups and be willing to admit that they are probably wrong in some of their opinions. I think that all of the groups have some things right and all of them have some things wrong. Unless they want reconcilliation, it won't happen. Unless people are willing to go to the cross and put their self and pride aside, it won't happen.

I think that when most of the people on here say they want reconcilliation, what they really mean is "I want everybody else to admit they are wrong and join MY group because it is the right one."

We need to be those willing to grow in Christ and desiring to express Him to others.

 

[PujolsNonRoidHomerHitter]

Because having all of those who are saved by the blood of Christ working together would be a good thing. We are one body and we should recognise it.

But that's not what happens here. What goes on here is something that comes from a darker, more sinister nature within us. What happens here is not life giving at all. In fact, I would dare say it only drives the nail further in.

Go Cards!

 

[ARBITER01]

There was an interesting thread on just that topic awhile back.

Matt 7:6 No thou may be giving the holy to the dogs, neither ye should be casting the pearls before the swine, less they shall be trampling them in the feet of them, and being turned, shall be tearing/rending ye
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Reve 17:4 And the Woman was having been about-cast purple and scarlet, and having been gilded to gold and stone, precious, and pearls/margaritaiV <3135>

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7256012&page=14
Skeptics, Cynics, and Pearls (Oh My!)

Yea, there are bits of hidden idioms that only allow the passage to make sense from a hebraic mindset in the gospels, and other places like revelation for that matter.

 

[Nadiine]

I think bigotry speaks for itself, Nadiine.

he isn't bigoted imo.

The main reason is becuz he's using scripture & dogma to make the evaluation.
If one construes praying to Mary as "worship" to her, then they aren't
bigots for the sake of hating, they're finding idolatrous practice by a
set religion & claiming it's a false religion.

Bigotry is more like attacking people for things they cannot change
or help - like a certain race or all Christians, or all atheists, etc.

In this case I don't see that it's blatant bigotry - but someone
seeking to use discernment of what God forbids.

**(with that said, I'm not supporting hostile attacks either -
just making a clarification of terms)

 

[simonthezealot]

Simon, the Eucharist was instituted at the Last Supper. What do you mean, a year later?

The time between the John 6 eat my flesh comment and the Lords supper...

 

[Rick Otto]

I think calling people anti-catholic is in itself bigotry.

You're just an Anti-Bigot, simon.

 

[squint]

He also said that even the EVIL love their own children too....

Yeah. Don't YOU?

Generic love isn't salvation tho. & not many people would view
Jesus as too loving if they only saw Him using the whip &
turning over tables in his fury at the moneychangers who were
ripping people off at the temple.

We know in general 'what' Love consists of from the scriptures so reterming it into 'generic' won't find much of a toehold in text.

As to Jesus' actions, that all depends on WHO you see Him reacting to.

Here is a simple lesson: When Jesus looked at Peter and spoke to SATAN, WHO was Jesus speaking to?

Now go back to the temple and you may see USERPERS of the temple who are not so readily seen at first glance.

THEN go read the Gospels and you SHOULD be able to see Jesus' actions with OTHER ENTITIES with mankind on nearly every page of the text.

Love takes on different forms than just the false version we're
fed today. TRUE love involves many things, not just the
warm cuddly teddy bears, glittery rainbows & unicorns

I believe Gods Love is VERY JEALOUS and VENGEFUL. It just depends on WHO God is dealing with. I have no use for the views of blind people when I can obviously SEE differently.

enjoy

squint

 

[sunlover1]

I have to go now and, as I'm pretty sure this thread will be closed by the time I get back, I reckon you have the last word.

Or he might just discipline those who are being naughty and let
the rest discuss... not mentioning any names lest squint thinks
I'm a hater

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I find no difference between the Two.

God is Love. Jesus Is God. Love Is God. Kinda all works out pretty good.

So why did you say this?

regardless of 'which version' of Jesus they have painted across their lips IF ANY.

Who Is Love? Our Lord!

Love is OF and FROM God. Everyone who LOVES knows God, is born OF God and GOD Himself LIVES in them.

enjoy!

squint

[/QUOTE]And you believe 'everyone' loves God.

come home

That's helpful

Edit: Apparently, it involves walking around with surfboards and lots of swimsuits...

Apparantly, they never did say lol.
Woah Anno! I umm, wasnt talking about eros love

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

 

[squint]

Sorry my friend, but your viewpoints are universalist. Just because someone loves doesn't automatically make them born of GOD.

John the Apostle said otherwise. If you can't accept it that's fine for you. You just go ahead and figure out some way to deny it. Doesn't bother me a bit.

That is your jist of things you are trying to get folks to believe on here and it doesn't add up in scripture.

I always put specifics on the table for discussions. The fact that choose not to deal or engage with them is obvious enough fwiw.

Keep what you have. Hide it under a napkin and bury it for all I care.

enjoy!

squint

 

[archierieus]

I would like to remind to try and get away from finger-pointing, which seems to have started several posts back, and focus on the topic of the thread. There is no expection or possibility of us all becoming RC, scrap that one, nor is there expectation or possibility of us all becoming Protestant, scrap that one. But we can come to the table as fellow believers, with mutual respect and acceptance of our several belief systems. How about it?

Dave

 

[Annolennar]

Apparantly, they never did say lol.
Woah Anno! I umm, wasnt talking about eros love

Hey, you didn't specify! And I found you a direct quote.

Its of minor interest that in the music video, the singer on the projector's screen is singing in a church (at least thats what it looked like to me).

 

[Thekla]

The main reason is becuz he's using scripture & dogma to make the evaluation.
If one construes praying to Mary as "worship" to her, then they aren't
bigots for the sake of hating, they're finding idolatrous practice by a
set religion & claiming it's a false religion.

not allowed to discuss Mary here, she's "ghettoized" to the Mariology subforum


Welcome, Nadiine

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I would like to remind to try and get away from finger-pointing, which seems to have started several posts back, and focus on the topic of the thread. There is no expection or possibility of us all becoming RC, scrap that one, nor is there expectation or possibility of us all becoming Protestant, scrap that one. But we can come to the table as fellow believers, with mutual respect and acceptance of our several belief systems. How about it?

Dave

Wanna borrow my "Hat"

http://christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=50566246&postcount=670

 

[Markus6]

But that's not what happens here. What goes on here is something that comes from a darker, more sinister nature within us. What happens here is not life giving at all. In fact, I would dare say it only drives the nail further in.

Go Cards!

Well no, unity isn't going to be achieved by debating in an internet forum. That would go with what I said earlier about trying to find unity through doctrines. Our best chance would be to get off the computer and do the work God has called us to do in the world together. We'd probably spend less time focussing on our differences if we were busy clothing the naked, feeding the hungry, sheltering the homeless, preaching and living the gospel. Then we might learn what unity in the body of Christ actually means.

 

[ARBITER01]

John the Apostle said otherwise. If you can't accept it that's fine for you. You just go ahead and figure out some way to deny it. Doesn't bother me a bit.



I always put specifics on the table for discussions. The fact that choose not to deal or engage with them is obvious enough fwiw.

Keep what you have. Hide it under a napkin and bury it for all I care.

enjoy!

squint

Well you see, I don't throw out a mass of things at once, I'm quite stable enough in myself to go point by point over things.

And what you have just done is agreed that you are a universalist, but you see, John is not the determining factor when it comes to what the gospels say, Jesus is, and He said we are to be born again first.

If you are not born again, you are not one of His, no matter how much love you exhibit.

You should review what you think you understand on this because love in itself is not enough, GOD requires our robes to be washed in the blood of the lamb.

 

[sunlover1]

Here is a simple lesson: When Jesus looked at Peter and spoke to SATAN, WHO was Jesus speaking to?

Who was he speaking to here?

27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness. 28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquityhttp://christianforums.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=50568104#_ftn1
http://christianforums.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=50568104#_ftnref1

 

[Nadiine]

not allowed to discuss Mary here, she's "ghettoized" to the Mariology subforum


Welcome, Nadiine

Hi Thekla =)

ghettoized