How can RCs and Protestants reconcile

[squint]

Or he might just discipline those who are being naughty and let
the rest discuss... not mentioning any names lest squint thinks
I'm a hater

And you've dialogued with me long enough to know that I believe in every eternal torment, wrath and punishment scripture. I just don't see them like you do nor do I have to when there are other possibilities that are more in accord with loving my UNsaved neighbors.

So why did you say this?

regardless of 'which version' of Jesus they have painted across their lips IF ANY.

Because I know a LOT of people who have JESUS painted across their lips who have nearly ZERO love. And I know a LOT of people who would put most believers to shame because they DO love but do NOT have a Jesus painted across their lips (I don't blame them.) I am not inclined to measure anyone else on the basis of which Jesus they have painted across their lips as I am with their OPEN ACTIONS.

We know 'them' by their FRUITS, not their doctrines.

We also know 'them' by the LACK of fruits...and THESE are not my fellow man, but my fellow man are slaves of that DARKNESS. This is why I post.

And you believe 'everyone' loves God.

People can claim to love God all the day long, BUT if they do not love their neighbors I am inclined to cast my wary eye on "who" I might be engaging.

If ya can't luv yer brother who you CAN see, then when you SAY you love God you may very well be speaking as A LIAR...

This is 'how' we know 'who is who.'

1 John 4:20
If anyone says, "I love God," yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen.

1 John 3:10
This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.

1 John 3:14
We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love our brothers. Anyone who does not love remains in death.

enjoy!

squint

 

[Tzaousios]

If you deny the sufficiency of Christ's atonement, you are not saved.

I affirm that Christ's atonement is sufficient for all believers. However, what do we say to those Protestants who believe in a limited atonement and that Christ's blood is sufficient in theory for all men, but only efficient for some?

 

[benedictaoo]

The time between the John 6 eat my flesh comment and the Lords supper...

Christ was still with us, correct? Are you asking what happen to those who died during the time Christ was still preaching?

What happen to them is what happen to all the righteous Jews, they awaited Christ to open heaven for them.

So how were they righteous with no Eucharist?

How were they righteous with out Christ?

That's right... God makes exceptions and 'saved' folks who believed in Him and His promise in anticipation of Christ's sacrifice.

 

[Hentenza]

I will ask again...aren't positions that openly condemn other people who disagree with those positions to potentially burn alive forever OVERTLY PERSONALLY FLAMING?

hello! There doesn't seem to be much greater measure of PERSONAL FLAMING than that!

Yet this is what the BULK of christian theology consists of.

enjoy!

squint

Ask again.

There is a big difference between discussing a position that condemns and directly condemning the other poster.

Tell me Squint, do you know what is in someones heart?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Who was he speaking to here?

27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness. 28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity

It seems our bro Paul got in trouble for that also

Matt 23:27 'Woe to ye Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! that ye are likened to sepulchres whitewashed, who-any outwardly indeed appearing beautiful, within yet are being replete of bones of dead-ones, and of every uncleanness

Acts 23:2 The yet Chief-priest Ananias enjoins those standing beside him to be smiting of him the mouth. 3 Then the Paul said toward him, "to be smiting thee is being about the God. Wall! whitewashed, and thou thou dost sitting judging me according to the law, and being beside law, ordering me to be being smitten!' [Matt 23:27]

 

[PujolsNonRoidHomerHitter]

Well no, unity isn't going to be achieved by debating in an internet forum. That would go with what I said earlier about trying to find unity through doctrines. Our best chance would be to get off the computer and do the work God has called us to do in the world together. We'd probably spend less time focussing on our differences if we were busy clothing the naked, feeding the hungry, sheltering the homeless, preaching and living the gospel. Then we might learn what unity in the body of Christ actually means.

True dat!

I take it you're a drummer? Me too.

Go Cards!

 

[racer]

Reconciling to me is easy. We need to ditch "exclusitivity" doctrines and teachings. We need to trash our insistances on being "separate" and recognize each other as all parts of the Body of Christ. We're not judges. We don't have the authority to condemn one another. But, we're so scared that our beliefs could possibly be a bit faulty that we believe we must continually argue that "we're right and those who do not agree 100% are wrong."

When we stand before Christ, He is not going to ask us what church we attended, what faith we belonged to, or what pew we sat in. We will all be judged individually.

The Bible discusses that "all" body parts are necessary and equally important, so if my faith is relegated to the "pinky finger" or "little toe," I will humbly and happily serve Christ in that role.

Really, reconciliation, could be very simple.

 

[Hentenza]

How would you react if he was talking about your particular denomination the way he talks about us?

BTW: I see the mods let all his flames remain, which tells me what time it is in here - BASH TIME

Drop it. If you want to discuss moderation then pm me.

 

[Nadiine]

I would like to remind to try and get away from finger-pointing, which seems to have started several posts back, and focus on the topic of the thread. There is no expection or possibility of us all becoming RC, scrap that one, nor is there expectation or possibility of us all becoming Protestant, scrap that one. But we can come to the table as fellow believers, with mutual respect and acceptance of our several belief systems. How about it?

Dave

it's not that easy when there are some doctrines of the church itself
that can be construed as idolatrous (and I think are idolatrous in some
ways) -
The issue is that people are rejecting that they're believers in the first
place becuz it's being placed into false doctrines that don't lead to
the salvation, but a false god. (ie. Mary).

Imo, I don't see these things as being fixable - there are loads of threads hashing out the doctrines & there's no compromise in either direction.

I think you just have to admit you disagree & walk away from one
another & use ignore. OR, take the opportunity to disagree w/ their
point & state what you believe is biblical to correct it publically.

But it probly doesn't have to turn into a slug fest.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

I think the important question that nobody here has asked is, why would we want to "reconcile" with Catholics?

The reason we split from Catholics in the first place was that their church was hopelessly corrupt and their doctrines damnable.

What is there to be reconciled? How can light have fellowship with darkness?

 

[squint]

Who was he speaking to here?

27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness. 28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity

The SAME ONES He was speaking to HERE:

John 8:44
Ye are of yourfather the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

It shouldn't take any of us long to make this connection personal but not too many can be that honest about their own condition.

enjoy!

squint

 

[sunlover1]

You're just an Anti-Bigot, simon.

sunlover clown hat on.

Alright, KEEP IT SERIOUS GUYS, NO CLOWNING

(Just wanted to be like LLOJ)

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Drop it. If you want to discuss moderation then pm me.

Thanks Hentenza

 

[PujolsNonRoidHomerHitter]

I prefer this hat:

But for maximum protection around this thread you may need this one:

Go Cards!

 

[Annolennar]

Reconciling to me is easy. We need to ditch "exclusitivity" doctrines and teachings. We need to trash our insistances on being "separate" and recognize each other as all parts of the Body of Christ. We're not judges. We don't have the authority to condemn one another.

The (or at least, "a") problem with that is that we already do that, and it doesn't seemed to have effectively reconciled... at least in the extremely limited microcosm that is CF:GT.

 

[squint]

I think the important question that nobody here has asked is, why would we want to "reconcile" with Catholics?

The reason we split from Catholics in the first place was that their church was hopelessly corrupt and their doctrines damnable.

What is there to be reconciled? How can light have fellowship with darkness?

To pit any other person as DARKNESS and yourSELF as Light is a darkness of its own self delusion.

 

[ARBITER01]

Reconciling to me is easy. We need to ditch "exclusitivity" doctrines and teachings. We need to trash our insistances on being "separate" and recognize each other as all parts of the Body of Christ. We're not judges. We don't have the authority to condemn one another. But, we're so scared that our beliefs could possibly be a bit faulty that we believe we must continually argue that "we're right and those who do not agree 100% are wrong."

When we stand before Christ, He is not going to ask us what church we attended, what faith we belonged to, or what pew we sat in. We will all be judged individually.

The Bible discusses that "all" body parts are necessary and equally important, so if my faith is relegated to the "pinky finger" or "little toe," I will humbly and happily serve Christ in that role.

Really, reconciliation, could be very simple.

Well, you see, we don't just toss the bible out the window. We are let the words of Christ dwell richly within us, and to be conformed to the image of HIS Son. Hard to do that when we don't have those 4 accounts to work with besides prayer, ya know?

It would be nice to just let everyone play on the play ground, but Christ brought a sword for a reason, and that sword will eventually separate the tares from the wheat and the goats from the sheep.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

To pit any other person as DARKNESS and yourSELF as Light is a darkness of its own self delusion.

Actually, I said the Catholic church, not "any other person".

 

[Nadiine]

Reconciling to me is easy. We need to ditch "exclusitivity" doctrines and teachings. We need to trash our insistances on being "separate" and recognize each other as all parts of the Body of Christ. We're not judges. We don't have the authority to condemn one another. But, we're so scared that our beliefs could possibly be a bit faulty that we believe we must continually argue that "we're right and those who do not agree 100% are wrong."

When we stand before Christ, He is not going to ask us what church we attended, what faith we belonged to, or what pew we sat in. We will all be judged individually.

The Bible discusses that "all" body parts are necessary and equally important, so if my faith is relegated to the "pinky finger" or "little toe," I will humbly and happily serve Christ in that role.

Really, reconciliation, could be very simple.

I really disagree with this - just apply it to JW's or Mormons & see how
that works to reconcile.

 

[Markus6]

I think the important question that nobody here has asked is, why would we want to "reconcile" with Catholics?

The reason we split from Catholics in the first place was that their church was hopelessly corrupt and their doctrines damnable.

What is there to be reconciled? How can light have fellowship with darkness?

Well a related question would be: are there any born again Christians among the RCC?