How can RCs and Protestants reconcile

[squint]

It was a gift to bring us to Christian unity and salvation.

Without doubt, but that was not the point whatsoever.

Why do you think Jesus gave Peter the keys to the kingdom?

I can read just fine what was revealed to Peter, what then happened to Peter and determine that what happened to Peter was foretold by Jesus here:

Mark 4:15
And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.

Was The Word sown in Peter? Yes. And guess who showed up almost the next instant? hello. Does this take a POPE to figure out? Not in my humble opinion. A child could see the simplicity of this event. Word sown...satan shows up. Wow.

Did I need the Pope or the RCC to hang their imposition and formality around my neck with THEIR understandings on this matter and then condemn me to potentially burn alive forever if I do not BOW to their understanding and instead SEE what Jesus said would happen IS TRUE and IS A KEY to finding understanding?

Face the facts here chesterton...not even the RCC could botch this simplicity, BUT THEY DID imho. And then to condemn me for not bowing to them and their system because of 'their understanding' of PETER?

Please.

The RCC understanding on the entirety of Peter if anything is an insult to my own common sense and God given intelligence. God gave me a sound mind. He did not require me to turn it over to someone else to tell me how to use it.

enjoy!

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[chestertonrules]

Well since you insist on using Scriptures like that, then allow me to use mine.

2 Corin 6:17 wherefore come-forth out of midst of them! and be being separated! is saying Lord

Textus Rec.) 2 Corinthians 6:17 dio exelqete ek mesou autwn kai aforisqhte legei kurioV.................

Revelation 18:4 And I hear another voice out of the heaven saying "come forth! out of Her the People of Me.............
Textus Rec.) Revelation 18:4 kai hkousa allhn fwnhn ek tou ouranou legousan exelqete ex authV o laoV mou...........

As if you need my permission!

 

[Albion]

Obviously, I'd say, the best thing to do is to let pass, unanswered, messages that are only testimonials to the poster's loyalty to his denomination.


Many denominations have their own functional myths, and little can be done to correct them here.

 

[chestertonrules]

Without doubt, but that was not the point whatsoever.



I can read just fine what was revealed to Peter, what then happened to Peter and determine that what happened to Peter was foretold by Jesus here:

Mark 4:15
And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.

Was The Word sown in Peter? Yes. And guess who showed up almost the next instant? hello. Does this take a POPE to figure out? Not in my humble opinion. A child could see the simplicity of this event. Word sown...satan shows up. Wow.

Did I need the Pope or the RCC to hang their imposition and formality around my neck with THEIR understandings on this matter and then condemn me to potentially burn alive forever if I do not BOW to their understanding and instead SEE what Jesus said would happen IS TRUE and IS A KEY to finding understanding?

Face the facts here chesterton...not even the RCC could botch this simplicity, BUT THEY DID imho. And then to condemn me for not bowing to them and their system because of 'their understanding' of PETER?

Please.

The RCC understanding on the entirety of Peter if anything is an insult to my own common sense and God given intelligence. God gave me a sound mind. He did not require me to turn it over to someone else to tell me how to use it.

enjoy!

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So you don't know why Jesus gave Peter the keys to the kingdom.

Why didn't you just say so!

 

[Hentenza]

Of course I have. I was very anti Catholic for most of my life.

I now accept that Jesus did start a Church to preserve the truth and to help lead us to salvation.

I am happy for you but I was actually led by the Spirit away from the RC. I have never been anti-Chatholic. I just simply do not agree with "some" of its teachings and claims.

The bible and tradition support the teachings of the Church.

Perfect example of one claim that I don't agree with.

You ignore these biblical passages for some reason. Jesus established a Church and a hierarchy.

Here is some evidence that you can ignore or accept:

23With them they sent the following letter: The apostles and elders, your brothers, To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia: Greetings. 24We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said.

(Does this remind you of anything?)

Matthew 18

17If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector.

Luke 10
16"He who listens to you listens to me; he who rejects you rejects me; but he who rejects me rejects him who sent me."

John 20
21Again Jesus said, "Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you." 22And with that he breathed on them and said, "Receive the Holy Spirit. 23If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven."

1 Timothy 3
15if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God's household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.

2 Thes 2
15So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.

Matthew 16

17Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven. 18And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. 19I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."

We have already been through all of these verses in another thread. Should we go over them again?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

As if you need my permission!

I will keep reminding you of them every now and then

Or we can discuss them here

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7322927
2 Corin 6 and the "them" question

 

[Yarddog]

True. However, that is far short of what would be necessary for reconciliation or reunification.

We have some reconciliation now, just not full reconciliation.

Yes, but not the distance needed if we want to discuss reconciliation. That's what the title of the thread deals with. Making some progress towards closing the differences on doctrine helps a lot, but consider this: The RCC and the EO are as close on doctrine as any two churches we've mentioned are, but they are still no where near reconciling...and the position of the Papacy is the main deterrent.

Just a few short years ago there seemed no hope. But parts of the Eastern Orthodox can see enough hope that there may be something within our lifetime. There are parts, such as the Russian Orthodox which are much further. An article of the Greek Orth. http://www.rcab.org/EandI/catholic-orthodoxnews.html

This concerns Eastern Catholics and Orthdox.
"And so it seems the fundamental question revolves around those two poles: self-governance and communion with the bishop of Rome. If some formula can be found which would accommodate both concerns, in an arrangement that recognizes Rome's primacy in some way but which also preserves a great deal of autonomy in church governance, it is possible to hope that these two segments of the ancient Church of the East may well be reunited, even within our lifetime....."


This concerns the whole.

"The finalgoal of unity between Catholics and all the Eastern churches remains a Christian imperative that corresponds to nothing less than the will of Christ himself. It is indisputable that very serious problems must still be resolved. Nevertheless, these sister churches, long embittered by the misunderstandings and wounds of the past have in recent decades been experiencing the rekindling of an ancient love. In doing so, and in responding in creative ways to the challenges posed by the process of reconciliation, the unity of our world will be strengthened, and God will be praised as the new millennium dawns."

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

This concerns Eastern Catholics and Orthdox.
"And so it seems the fundamental question revolves around those two poles: self-governance and communion with the bishop of Rome. If some formula can be found which would accommodate both concerns, in an arrangement that recognizes Rome's primacy in some way but which also preserves a great deal of autonomy in church governance, it is possible to hope that these two segments of the ancient Church of the East may well be reunited, even within our lifetime....."

What about the office of the Pope?

 

[Uphill Battle]

Feel free to discuss the scripture I posted, but I haven't addressed any of these posts to you.

irrelevant.

If it is appropriate to respond with certain scriptures I'm not going to leave them out just because they make you uncomfortable or annoyed.

you keep saying uncomfortable. This isn't true, although annoyed, certainly is. The thread is about how can there be reconciliation. You have, of course, taken it upon yourself to turn it into an RCC proselytizing thread, in a veritable orgy of RCC self gratification.

 

[squint]

So you don't know why Jesus gave Peter the keys to the kingdom.

Why didn't you just say so!

Oh, I believe every Word. Just don't believe same after it was run through the RCC sifter.

And what I believe even less is the requirement the RCC has for YOU to have to condemn your fellow man, particularly other believers, when we don't see eye to eye.

That false measure I am and will remain adamantly against because it's FALSE and it's not good for ones heart.

enjoy!

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[Albion]

We have some reconciliation now, just not full reconciliation.

There always was partial reconciliation. Full reconciliation is the point of the discussion.

This concerns Eastern Catholics and Orthdox.

But the thread is about Protestants and Catholics.

 

[archierieus]

We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said.

(Does this remind you of anything?)

Please explain what you are referring to.

 

[chestertonrules]

Oh, I believe every Word. Just don't believe same after it was run through the RCC sifter.

And what I believe even less is the requirement the RCC has for YOU to have to condemn your fellow man, particularly other believers, when we don't see eye to eye.

That false measure I am and will remain adamantly against because it's FALSE and it's not good for ones heart.

enjoy!

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Who have I condemned? Disagreement is not condemnation.

 

[chestertonrules]

Please explain what you are referring to.

I was referring to the Reformation.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I was referring to the Reformation.

What about it?

 

[chestertonrules]

irrelevant.



you keep saying uncomfortable. This isn't true, although annoyed, certainly is. The thread is about how can there be reconciliation. You have, of course, taken it upon yourself to turn it into an RCC proselytizing thread, in a veritable orgy of RCC self gratification.

I don't buy your description, but I do believe that the Catholic Church is the only path to true Christian unity.

It has nothing to do with self gratification. I am making points and supporting them.

Feel free to refute my points, or at least make an attempt!

 

[sunlover1]

Not really.

I submit my understanding to that of the Church, which is protected from teaching error by the promise of Jesus.

He promised that the gates of hell... would not prevail.... against
the church.
What does 'the gates of hell' mean?
What does not prevail mean?

You could say that this is based on my own understanding, I guess

.
It's all you got CR, it's all I got too.

However, unity in doctrine and morals is not possible in any other way.

Our unity in morals comes from our having the heart of flesh, we're
new creations in CHRIST, we have the mind of Christ and hold the
thoughts and purposes of Christ in our hearts.

Since I know Jesus wants us to be unified, then I think that we should take his desires seriously.

Me too ! He wants us not to be unified, He wants us to be ONE.
WAY deeper than unity.
That mysterious oneness as a husband and a wife. Now a husband
and wife are one, but they might have some different P'sOV.
They're still one.

How is unity in the fullness of truth possible outside the Catholic Church?

We dont have the 'fullness' of truth yet CR.
We know 'in part' right now.

I have a relative who's like a mom to me. We visit almost
every day, we just dont discuss religion. Another friend
of mine who's cathoic is very near to my heart. Some
of the things she says make no sense to me, I keep
my mouth shut, bet she does the same. we love each
other and never have confrontations. We are in fact
united in our Christian love.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I don't buy your description, but I do believe that the Catholic Church is the only path to true Christian unity.

It has nothing to do with self gratification. I am making points and supporting them.

Feel free to refute my points, or at least make an attempt!

We have. The Bible is about the RCC....

 

[squint]

Who have I condemned? Disagreement is not condemnation.

The RCC requires you to call your fellow believers who do not agree with their determinations heretics subject to potential burning alive forever.

Call it whatever you want. Maybe you just don't know their rules?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The RCC requires you to call your fellow believers who do not agree with their determinations heretics subject to potential burning alive forever.

Call it whatever you want. Maybe you just don't know their rules?

Would that be Unam Sanctum?

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=2210741