How can RCs and Protestants reconcile

[simonthezealot]

I don't think that is in your interest.

You are further dividing the body of Christ.

Unity of Christians is only possible in the Church led by the keeper of the keys.

All other Churches will only lead to division because they are ruled by human wills.

Your church never had the unity you all claim to have not even from the early times...Get off your high horse and read history without the roman lens.

 

[chestertonrules]

Your church never had the unity you all claim to have not even from the early times...Get off your high horse and read history without the roman lens.

Of course it does.

Your ignorance of Church doctrine is understandable and not uncommon.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Individuals disagree about where the Holy Spirit leads, which is why there are thousands of Churches led by bible believing Christians who claim to be led by the Holy Spirit.

Why don't they all agree with eachother?

Good question. When an answer comes I will take off the location I have in my profile

Genesis 11:4 And they are saying, "grant thou!, we shall build for us a City and a Tower/04026 migdal and top of it in heavens and we shall make for us a name, lest we are scattering over faces/surfaces all of the land.

Matt 21:33 Another parable hear ye! A certain Man was home-owner who-any plants a vineyard, and a barrier/fence to it places-about, and excavates in it a winepress and builds a TOWER and granted it to Farmers/Dressers and he travels. [Isaiah 5:1-3/Reve 14:20]

 

[Rick Otto]

"Your ignorance of Church doctrine is understandable and not uncommon."

...even amongst its own members.

 

[chestertonrules]

...even amongst its own members.

Especially amongst its own members!(Obama got 53% of the Catholic vote, after all!)

 

[chestertonrules]

Good question. When an answer comes I will take off the location I have in my profile

Genesis 11:4 And they are saying, "grant thou!, we shall build for us a City and a Tower/04026 migdal and top of it in heavens and we shall make for us a name, lest we are scattering over faces/surfaces all of the land.

Matt 21:33 Another parable hear ye! A certain Man was home-owner who-any plants a vineyard, and a barrier/fence to it places-about, and excavates in it a winepress and builds a TOWER and granted it to Farmers/Dressers and he travels. [Isaiah 5:1-3/Reve 14:20]

It is not an option.

Christians should be one as Jesus and the Father are one (John 17:22-23). We should have "one mind, one spirit"(Philippians 1:27) and have "no dissensions, same mind and judgment"(1 Corinthians 1:10)

 

[squint]

Why distort my post?

Here's what I said:

Christians should be one as Jesus and the Father are one (John 17:22-23). We should have "one mind, one spirit"(Philippians 1:27) and have "no dissensions, same mind and judgment"(1 Corinthians 1:10)


Is this possible outside of the Church?

I believe so, yes, as far as 'your determination' of what 'church' really is. You say church and it means 'only you and your pals.'

Your organization says catholic and believes they can assert themselves over the entirety of that term. So when you say 'church' or 'catholic' and I say the same terms we will have vastly different underlying understandings even over a couple of fairly simple terms.

How in the world would we ever come to grips with more difficult theological observations?

And I also do not believe that the Pope or your organization is required for 'me' or any other person to love their neighbors as themselves or that 'your group' can STOP THAT from transpiring.

You have merely made the Primary Command as only available in your group and within your understandings and to that I say...thanks for the uproarious laughter.

The only thing that counts is faith which 'works' through LOVE. I do not put my faith in anything or anyone BUT Love.

The RCC understandings have erected what is to me a Berlin Wall against being able to do that and yes, I can provide multiple examples besides the ones already posted here in this thread.

Here is one of my favorites. I'm sure you know it. I also know that your group does not believe this nor allow this statement to be believed.

1 John 4:7
Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God.

Just see if the RCC allows you to go there sometime. Imagine that? Everyone who LOVES is A BELIEVER!

See how simple that was?

enjoy!

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[LittleLambofJesus]

Especially amongst its own members!(Obama got 53% of the Catholic vote, after all!)

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7338882
what does Pope Benedict say about the CCR?

 

[chestertonrules]

I believe so, yes, as far as 'your determination' of what 'church' really is.

How is this possible unless there is a single source for determing the truth with regard to faith and morals?


Christians should be one as Jesus and the Father are one (John 17:22-23). We should have "one mind, one spirit"(Philippians 1:27) and have "no dissensions, same mind and judgment"(1 Corinthians 1:10)


Can you give me an illustration as to how this could happen outside the Catholic Church?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

It is not an option.

Christians should be one as Jesus and the Father are one (John 17:22-23). We should have "one mind, one spirit"(Philippians 1:27) and have "no dissensions, same mind and judgment"(1 Corinthians 1:10)

Umm, do the RCs read Revelation at all? Just curious.....

1 Corinthians 1:10 I am beseeching yet ye brethren! thru the name of the Lord of us Jesus Christ that the same ye may be saying all and no may be in ye schisms ye may be yet having been equipped in the same mind and in the same purpose/gnwmh <1106>.

Reve 17:12 And the ten horns which thou saw ten kings are, who-any a Kingdom not yet received, but authority as kings one hour they are receiving with the beast.
13 these one opinion/gnwmhn <1106> are having and the power and the authority of them to the beast they are giving.

 

[squint]

Makes me wonder how many of those Paul wrote to needed bifocals

I don't think they even had glasses back in those days. I've never seen any pictures of them with glasses on...

Bad eyesight on the scale we have today is a fairly recent problem. God is trying to tell us something...

But even back in those days if you pulled on the corners of your eyes outwards...you could see 'cause you'd, uh huh, SQUINT...

 

[Hentenza]

It is not an option.

Christians should be one as Jesus and the Father are one (John 17:22-23). We should have "one mind, one spirit"(Philippians 1:27) and have "no dissensions, same mind and judgment"(1 Corinthians 1:10)

Which in no way shape or form refers to the Roman Catholic Church. Please take the verses in context rather than from the typical RC apologetics. The fact is that we will continue to be theologically separated until the RC develops some humility and accepts those that are His as their own without the judgments. One first must look at oneself. If you want to see "unity" at work then OBOB is not a good example.

We are one in Christ, and we are of one mind and one spirit in Christ. Only Christ is the way.

 

[simonthezealot]

Of course it does.

Your ignorance of Church doctrine is understandable and not uncommon.

Right...Why we're their different canons long before the schism.

 

[squint]

How is this possible unless there is a single source for determing the truth with regard to faith and morals?

Why does LOVE have to be run through the RCC sifter to determine what it is?

Christians should be one as Jesus and the Father are one (John 17:22-23). We should have "one mind, one spirit"(Philippians 1:27) and have "no dissensions, same mind and judgment"(1 Corinthians 1:10)


Can you give me an illustration as to how this could happen outside the Catholic Church?

Just did. But it probably short circuited your understandings. Oh, you mean I cannot KNOW LOVE unless the POPE tells me? Or your historical determinations tell me. That LOVE has now been reduced to your groups determinations of A SERIES OF GOOD MORAL CHOICES? Thanks for yet another laugher.

Those called the RCC and the Pope do not LIVE in my heart. God DOES. And there is nothing your group or it's determinations can do to stop that from happening.

enjoy!

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[chestertonrules]

Which in no way shape or form refers to the Roman Catholic Church. Please take the verses in context rather than from the typical RC apologetics. The fact is that we will continue to be theologically separated until the RC develops some humility and accepts those that are His as their own without the judgments. One first must look at oneself. If you want to see "unity" at work then OBOB is not a good example.

We are one in Christ, and we are of one mind and one spirit in Christ. Only Christ is the way.

You are incapable of analyzing my point rationally because of a deepseated bias against the Church.

Tell me, how can a Christian be pro abortion if it is in fact the murder of innocent life? Are pro abortion Christians of the SAME MIND AND JUDGMENT as pro life Christians? More to the point, are Churches that accept abortion of the SAME MIND AND JUDGMENT as Christ?

Tell me, how can Christianity ever be unified if anyone can claim to be led by the Holy Spirit, start a Church, and then reject two thousand years of history and Christian tradition?

 

[Hentenza]

You are incapable of analyzing my point rationally because of a deepseated bias against the Church.

Nope. No bias on my part. I love all of my RC brothers and sisters in Christ. Can you say the same?

Tell me, how can a Christian be pro abortion if it is in fact the murder of innocent life? Are pro abortion Christians of the SAME MIND AND JUDGMENT as pro life Christians? More to the point, are Churches that accept abortion of the SAME MIND AND JUDGMENT as Christ?

Interesting that you choose to ignore one of the very points of disunity in your own church. Can you tell me how you can continue to make the claim of unity when you have a large population of RC that do not believe that abortion is murder?

BTW- I am pro-life.

Tell me, how can Christianity ever be unified if anyone can claim to be led by the Holy Spirit, start a Church, and then reject two thousand years of history and Christian tradition?

Is God omnipotent and omnipresent? Does God still work within this world or is it only satan? Have you ever consider the possibility that the RC could have had a itty bitty hand in what you call divisions?

 

[sunlover1]

Christians should be one as Jesus and the Father are one (John 17:22-23). We should have "one mind, one spirit"(Philippians 1:27) and have "no dissensions, same mind and judgment"(1 Corinthians 1:10)


Will this ever be possible when everyone interprets the bible according to their own understanding?

It is possible, Jesus wouldnt pray for the impossible, and besides, With
God everything is possible.

Everyone interprets EVERYTHING with their own understanding.

 

[chestertonrules]

It is possible, Jesus wouldnt pray for the impossible, and besides, With
God everything is possible.

Everyone interprets EVERYTHING with their own understanding.

Not really.

I submit my understanding to that of the Church, which is protected from teaching error by the promise of Jesus.

You could say that this is based on my own understanding, I guess.

However, unity in doctrine and morals is not possible in any other way.

Since I know Jesus wants us to be unified, then I think that we should take his desires seriously.

How is unity in the fullness of truth possible outside the Catholic Church?

 

[chestertonrules]

Nope. No bias on my part. I love all of my RC brothers and sisters in Christ. Can you say the same?

This is a biased statement which you can't prove or even defend:

Which in no way shape or form refers to the Roman Catholic Church.

Interesting that you choose to ignore one of the very points of disunity in your own church. Can you tell me how you can continue to make the claim of unity when you have a large population of RC that do not believe that abortion is murder?

Individuals ignoring doctrine or truth has nothing to do with the unity of Church teaching with regard to doctrine and truth.

The Church teaching is not ambiguous.

Is God omnipotent and omnipresent? Does God still work within this world or is it only satan? Have you ever consider the possibility that the RC could have had a itty bitty hand in what you call divisions?

The Church admits as much.

Have you ever considered that unity in doctrine and truth is impossible outside the Catholic Church? If you claim it is possible, please tell me how this would come about.


FYI:


Wounds to unity
817 In fact, "in this one and only Church of God from its very beginnings there arose certain rifts, which the Apostle strongly censures as damnable. But in subsequent centuries much more serious dissensions appeared and large communities became separated from full communion with the Catholic Church - for which, often enough, men of both sides were to blame."269 The ruptures that wound the unity of Christ's Body - here we must distinguish heresy, apostasy, and schism270 - do not occur without human sin: Where there are sins, there are also divisions, schisms, heresies, and disputes. Where there is virtue, however, there also are harmony and unity, from which arise the one heart and one soul of all believers.271
818 "However, one cannot charge with the sin of the separation those who at present are born into these communities [that resulted from such separation] and in them are brought up in the faith of Christ, and the Catholic Church accepts them with respect and affection as brothers . . . . All who have been justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers in the Lord by the children of the Catholic Church."272 819 "Furthermore, many elements of sanctification and of truth"273 are found outside the visible confines of the Catholic Church: "the written Word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope, and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, as well as visible elements."274 Christ's Spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation, whose power derives from the fullness of grace and truth that Christ has entrusted to the Catholic Church. All these blessings come from Christ and lead to him,275 and are in themselves calls to "Catholic unity."276

 

[sunlover1]

It's only a 3 lloj. I'm in bifocal denial. Give a middle aged guy a break willya?

I just dont wear them in public

I don't think that is in your interest.

You are further dividing the body of Christ.

Unity of Christians is only possible in the Church led by the keeper of the keys.

All other Churches will only lead to division because they are ruled by human wills.

Keeper of the keys?
I found the problem.

Why distort my post?

Here's what I said:

Christians should be one as Jesus and the Father are one (John 17:22-23). We should have "one mind, one spirit"(Philippians 1:27) and have "no dissensions, same mind and judgment"(1 Corinthians 1:10)


Is this possible outside of the Church?

Again, depends on your definition of 'church'.
It's not possible outside of Christ

Gracias, and a nod to Paul for providing such an easy to read precedent for middle aged near sighted people who need bifocals.

You're making me squint, squint.
(can please some of the people, 'some' of the time...

Individuals disagree about where the Holy Spirit leads, which is why there are thousands of Churches led by bible believing Christians who claim to be led by the Holy Spirit.

Why don't they all agree with eachother?

Because they're all at different levels of maturity, just
like the folks in your own denomination silly.
Besides, we can only understand so much... we can only
'know' in part for now.
Let's be happy with the basics and love on each other so
that the world might know that we are His.