How can I help?

[free2be]

This has been our focus for weeks now. It takes over all other topics in the forum. Some have been trying to keep peaceful, welcoming threads on top, without success. These types of threads are always what's on the top...that's what people see when they visit this forum. It's ridiculous.

 

[Nadiine]

Yep, all sunshine and roses now that I am gone...

Lisa

Lisa, you're friends are still here aren't they? Jim wants to know if the rules need changing, THUS THE SAME ISSUE rages on. Who here has said, "when Lisa leaves this will ALL stop & the forum will be happy again?"

You are only ONE of the several that are here that see this the same way, why would you even think it HINGES on your membership?
And what's the motive behind your post? I'd ask you seek the Lord about that.
Digs?? what?

 

[IamRedeemed]

Right. The Word says that two cannot walk together unless they be agreed. So if one side holds fast to the moral standards God has set forth and another side opposes it, there will be division. If part of one side, takes issue with the other because they opposed the side that opposes God, then there is going to be division. It is not avoidable under those circumstances. So, the question is, who should back down? Surely not the side who is siding with God.

We should never back down and remain silent. That is how this world came to be in the moral decay it is currently in.

That is the reason why the ACLU for instance has been able to make all of the advanced
attacks against the core beliefs of this country and the moral standard for all people.

 

[Lisa0315]

Lisa, you're friends are still here aren't they? Jim wants to know if the rules need changing, THUS THE SAME ISSUE rages on. Who here has said, "when Lisa leaves this will ALL stop & the forum will be happy again?"

You are only ONE of the several that are here that see this the same way, why would you even think it HINGES on your membership?
And what's the motive behind your post? I'd ask you seek the Lord about that.
Digs?? what?

It was said that I was the cause of all the conflict here. It would be reasonable then that if I left, things would be serene if that accusation is true.

Blessed Be

Lisa

 

[Nadiine]

This has been our focus for weeks now. It takes over all other topics in the forum. Some have been trying to keep peaceful, welcoming threads on top, without success. These types of threads are always what's on the top...that's what people see when they visit this forum. It's ridiculous.

Free, I WANNA KNOW WHY PEOPLE KEEP MAKING THREADS TO "FIX" THIS right now.... it's clear that it isn't solving anything - yet they keep popping up like a raging wildfire!

If something doesn't work, continuing in it isn't going to yield a productive outcome. (at least for awhile).

Nobody's had time to mend or heal, and POOF a new one pops up...

 

[Nadiine]

It was said that I was the cause of all the conflict here. It would be reasonable then that if I left, things would be serene if that accusation is true.

Blessed Be

Lisa

blessed be??

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blessed_be#searchInput
Blessed Be may refer to

• A greeting, farewell, and blessing in Wicca/Neopagan tradition (see also Fivefold kiss)

I still ask you to search the MOTIVE for posting what you did... love? or spite/dig??

(& I know, you don't mean blessed be the way everyone knows it's used for)

 

[IamRedeemed]

We do not have to love what they preach. And that is what we are standing opposed to and that alone. Your accusations "playing dress up while you sharpen your tongues for gossip" are not only unloving and therefore hypocritical, but they are untrue and unable to be substantiated, and therefore not a good witness either. Not to mention against SWR.

Now can we stop attacking people here and stick with the actual issues? If you will go back a few pages I believe I clearly expressed what the true issues are, and not one person has actually addressed what I have said, but continue to attack based on their own presuppositions of mine and other's motives.

As I said, large or small group, the body of christ liberal or conservative is commanded to walk in love, we are to be known by love, this is nothing more than a group of people who do not even submit to their own rules? So what, are you GOATS? This is not a healthy site and you call yourselves conservative? None the less this is my last post, and you all need to spend more time in prayer and in the word than playing dress up while you sharpen your tongues for gossip!!!!

 

[Letalis]

It was said that I was the cause of all the conflict here. It would be reasonable then that if I left, things would be serene if that accusation is true.

Blessed Be

Lisa

I never thought you were the cause of conflict. I think you're trying to cause conflict now, though.

Didn't you sign out? Yet here you are trying to sow discord. Have some dignity, please.

 

[Nadiine]

I never thought you were the cause of conflict. I think you're trying to cause conflict now, though.

Didn't you sign out? Yet here you are trying to sow discord. Have some dignity, please.

it would seem???

 

[Hentenza]

Everyone, please please please, stop accusing each other. Please start addressing the issues and NOT the poster. This thread is generating reports. If this continues I will close this thread for a cool off time. Please love one another as Jesus commanded us.

 

[Rochir]

Blessed Be

Lisa

Poking into a hornets nest here, my dear!

 

[Nadiine]

Welp.... I'm going to get some errands done becuz a fire is near some stores I need to shop at.
Please pray for the fire victims and animals in So. Calif. - and the 1/2 million + evacuee's.

My input is this, the rules here are already 'liberal' in that they allow anyone and everyone to fellowship here already. There's no reason to open it up even more than what we already have -

If you want to open the floodgates of existing restrictions, then you will lose the entire meaning and purpose of a "conservative congretation" which only turns into the melting pot we have outside this forum.

Either keep the identity a majority of CONSERVATIVE, or change the name to "whosoever will has come" when it stops being predominantly conservative by an influx of every teaching & belief everyone will bring in with them.

 

[Nadiine]

Poking into a hornets nest here, my dear!

maybe that was the point

 

[Father Rick]

Right. The Word says that two cannot walk together unless they be agreed. So if one side holds fast to the moral standards God has set forth and another side opposes it, there will be division. If part of one side, takes issue with the other because they opposed the side that opposes God, then there is going to be division. It is not avoidable under those circumstances. So, the question is, who should back down? Surely not the side who is siding with God.

We should never back down and remain silent. That is how this world came to be in the moral decay it is currently in.

That is the reason why the ACLU for instance has been able to make all of the advanced
attacks against the core beliefs of this country and the moral standard for all people.

The issue is that when there are divisions, they have to be handled the way scripture says they are to be handled.

17 In the following directives I have no praise for you, for your meetings do more harm than good. 18 In the first place, I hear that when you come together as a church, there are divisions among you, and to some extent I believe it. 19 No doubt there have to be differences among you to show which of you have God's approval. 20 When you come together, it is not the Lord's Supper you eat, 21 for as you eat, each of you goes ahead without waiting for anybody else. One remains hungry, another gets drunk. 22 Don't you have homes to eat and drink in? Or do you despise the church of God and humiliate those who have nothing? What shall I say to you? Shall I praise you for this? Certainly not! 23 For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, 24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, "This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me." 25 In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me." 26 For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes. 27 Therefore, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. 28 A man ought to examine himself before he eats of the bread and drinks of the cup. 29 For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the body of the Lord eats and drinks judgment on himself. 30 That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep. 31 But if we judged ourselves, we would not come under judgment. 32 When we are judged by the Lord, we are being disciplined so that we will not be condemned with the world. 33 So then, my brothers, when you come together to eat, wait for each other. 34 If anyone is hungry, he should eat at home, so that when you meet together it may not result in judgment. And when I come I will give further directions.

Pauls writes that there were divisions in the church (which he says was not good), but then he says, (I paraphrase) "well, there have to be differences so that we can see who is approved by God and who is not". He immediately then talks about how the different parts of the church were not showing respect for one another. Who were the ones that were "approved by God"? Those that were behaving themselves correctly, showing respect for their brothers in Christ, in spite of their differences/divisions.

And remember-- chapters and verses were not in the original text, we added them in for ease in finding passages. In Paul's letter, he continues right on after this (it's all one train of thought) and begins talking about differences in spiritual gifts... and about how we are all one body but different parts.

12 The body is a unit, though it is made up of many parts; and though all its parts are many, they form one body. So it is with Christ. 13 For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body--whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free--and we were all given the one Spirit to drink. 14 Now the body is not made up of one part but of many. 15 If the foot should say, "Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body," it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body. 16 And if the ear should say, "Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body," it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body. 17 If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be? 18 But in fact God has arranged the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be. 19 If they were all one part, where would the body be? 20 As it is, there are many parts, but one body. 21 The eye cannot say to the hand, "I don't need you!" And the head cannot say to the feet, "I don't need you!" 22 On the contrary, those parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, 23 and the parts that we think are less honorable we treat with special honor. And the parts that are unpresentable are treated with special modesty, 24 while our presentable parts need no special treatment. But God has combined the members of the body and has given greater honor to the parts that lacked it, 25 so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other. 26 If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it. 27 Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it.

Paul actually says that the weaker parts of the Body are actually "indispensable".

If we consider those who are "liberal" to be weaker in their walk of faith. If we consider them to be "less honorable", in their theology, in their morals, in their values, etc. well, then we are actually told we are to treat them with "special honor" and "special modesty".

If we feel that we are stronger in our walk with Christ, we are actually suppose to be protecting those who are not as strong... not tearing them down, insulting them, or having nothing to do with them. We are to take those that we think are in error, or weaker, or "dishonorable" underwing and protect them until they can grow in their walk with Christ, rather than cutting them off.

That's not just my opinion. That's what scripture says-- and pretty bluntly.

 

[Latreia]

Oh, boy! Some of these thread are going to be a lot shorter after I finish adding to my ~IGNORE LIST~

 

[Nadiine]

The issue is that when there are divisions, they have to be handled the way scripture says they are to be handled.Pauls writes that there were divisions in the church (which he says was not good), but then he says, (I paraphrase) "well, there have to be differences so that we can see who is approved by God and who is not". He immediately then talks about how the different parts of the church were not showing respect for one another. Who were the ones that were "approved by God"? Those that were behaving themselves correctly, showing respect for their brothers in Christ, in spite of their differences/divisions.

And remember-- chapters and verses were not in the original text, we added them in for ease in finding passages. In Paul's letter, he continues right on after this (it's all one train of thought) and begins talking about differences in spiritual gifts... and about how we are all one body but different parts.


Paul actually says that the weaker parts of the Body are actually "indispensable".

If we consider those who are "liberal" to be weaker in their walk of faith. If we consider them to be "less honorable", in their theology, in their morals, in their values, etc. well, then we are actually told we are to treat them with "special honor" and "special modesty".

If we feel that we are stronger in our walk with Christ, we are actually suppose to be protecting those who are not as strong... not tearing them down, insulting them, or having nothing to do with them. We are to take those that we think are in error, or weaker, or "dishonorable" underwing and protect them until they can grow in their walk with Christ, rather than cutting them off.

That's not just my opinion. That's what scripture says-- and pretty bluntly.

1 Cor 12 "weaker" is in reference to the 'lesser gifts'... others being greater, etc.

Did you read Romans 14 who Paul considers the "weaker"? His teaching was about weaker brethren who found it wrong to eat meat sacrificed to animals... the weaker were those who were prone to legalism - and rigid adherance to law...
they didn't embrace the new LIBERTIES in Christ. (being able to get past law to embrace freedom in Christ.
Liberalism is just the exact opposite of who the weaker are. It PROMOTES liberalism - but to the point of condoning sin itself as it's listed in scripture. And even sometimes denying the scriptures as God's inspired, authoratative truth, and many other doctrinal issues of central importance - this isn't about liberties in Christ- it's rejection of central doctrines that make one a Christian by definition.

Imo, much of liberalism itself isn't "weaker" in faith, it's faithLESS due to what the beliefs reject by way of the Bible's most basic teachings - just in moral sin it should be quite obvious. Nevermind the identity of God problem, the refusal of accepting the bible's literality (but is completely esoteric), rejection of the bible's spiritual authority - to relay truth... or that it is even inspired by God, claims that it is full of error & that truth itself is relative/subjective to each person's perception or interpretation...

The worldview itself is the problem and it's why I do not accept it, fight against it and cannot unite with many who embrace it - and that is based on scripture teaching itself which is very clear.

That's the difference in views put forth here. I find that what God warns me about to stay away from with the message that is brought by it. Not to go unite with it in fellowship & unity.

 

[Jim47]

Is CC an outreach forum or a fellowship forum? Why do you call members of this forum legalists and defend those who reject our views?



note your response to me:

Ok, lets try to have a little understanding. I never called anyone legalistic, I said our rules are legalistic. This is not just my opinion but that of many.

I know I missed someone else that wanted a reply but I can't find her post. I try not to ignore anyone but I can't keep up with all thats happening. So if anyone feels I owe them an answer please PM me your concern or at least a link to the post.

 

[Tishri1]

if you all have considered this yet

If it is decided that a person is uncooperative and mostly operating with the intention of causing trouble or proselytizing he/she may be banned from the forum. Generally this will occur after several moderator PM's telling that member how he/she is not abiding by forum or subforum rules. People who come to TCL to do nothing more then cause trouble will be treated as trouble makers and will be asked to leave our forum peacfully. We expect visitors to conduct themselves in a manner that would be fitting for them to actually visit one of our churches in person. In addition to and including the warnings a "sticky" thread will be formed with the advisement for all TCL forum and sub forums members to initiated the "IGNORE" option so the "offender" will be "ignored". When the "ignore" option is initiated the offender and initiator can not see, read or PM each other. If used in totem in the forum it will be an effective total banning of that provocateur.

Offenders are not tolerated for the protection and safety of our forum members.

I like this

 

[drstevej]

Ok, lets try to have a little understanding. I never called anyone legalistic, I said our rules are legalistic.

Really?

Originally Posted by Jim47
I think you will find that I posted in the origional report so I am quite aware of it. I think your other comments are quite rude and show real prejudice.

Unlike many I am not afraid to have discussions with and Christians whether they be liberal or conservative and I am really tired of all the legalism, in threads and in reports.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

Me, too, Tish. It has been VERY effective in TCL.