How can God regret if he knows the future?

[ximmix]

Oooh, I haven't heard that one in a good few years. I didn't know you atheists still used it.

Which type are you:

a) The atheist who when faced with documented evidence changes the subject to 'why doesn't God heal the whole world then'

b) The atheist who redefines miracles to only be something mega spectacular such as limb regrowth and still won't believe it if they saw it.

c) The atheist who spends the rest of their time in discussions constantly mocking the documenter of the evidence as though that makes their documentation invalid.


Things might have changed, but a) used to be the most common response. Although c) was popular among trolls (who, let's face it, don't need much of an excuse to mock people who disagree with them).

Im going to disregard your condescending tone, I'm sure you're a better man really. Well you're not the first one with extraordinary claims who can't back them up. Instead on focusing on me, how about answering the question?

 

[ximmix]

Although c) was popular among trolls (who, let's face it, don't need much of an excuse to mock people who disagree with them)

You know this is a forum where atheists get to challenge christianity right? If you can't hack it, find a soft spot in the christians only section.

 

[ximmix]

a) The atheist who when faced with documented evidence changes the subject to 'why doesn't God heal the whole world then'

Ok, provide the evidence and we'll see.

 

[Silly Uncle Wayne]

And about prayers, do you think more than 50% of you prayers are answered? And when they are not answered, why do you think that is? It's just the way the Lord works, don't expect any answer?

Oh I think they are all answered. So the second part is irrelevant.

 

[Silly Uncle Wayne]

You know this is a forum where atheists get to challenge christianity right? If you can't hack it, find a soft spot in the christians only section.

But that is my point, the atheists who just mock, clearly can't hack the answers they are getting, else they'd actually engage with them. I told my testimony of healing and four years later one person was still misrepresenting it in a mocking way. Do you not wonder why Christians are not willing to share their experiences with people who aren't interested in the answers, just in reinforcing their own prejudices.

e.g.:

I think you know there has never been any faith healings, and answers to prayers are 50/50 at best.

If you were truly interested in documented miracles, you'd have looked them up yourself. It can't be difficult, the number of cases I've come across in the last 30 years must just be the tip of the iceberg.

If you genuinely want to see how your idea is wrong, try Craig Keener's Miracles. I've only just started reading it, but it does incorporate documented miracles. If you have no desire to have prejudices knocked then carry in ignorance.

 

[Silly Uncle Wayne]

Im going to disregard your condescending tone, I'm sure you're a better man really. Well you're not the first one with extraordinary claims who can't back them up. Instead on focusing on me, how about answering the question?

Well you could determine which category you fit into first, that way I can determine whether it is worth while doing a bit of research or providing personal testimony or just giving it up as a waste of time. Which it is really, because your opening challenge clearly indicates that you've never even looked for evidence of your own, you just assumed there is none.

 

[Silly Uncle Wayne]

Ok, provide the evidence and we'll see.

Let's just jump to the bit where I have provided the evidence (as I've said it is there if you are willing to look for it) now what is your response?

 

[ximmix]

Well you could determine which category you fit into first, that way I can determine whether it is worth while doing a bit of research or providing personal testimony or just giving it up as a waste of time. Which it is really, because your opening challenge clearly indicates that you've never even looked for evidence of your own, you just assumed there is none.

Aaaand still no signs of this evidence. You know you make the claim, you provide the evidence to back it up

 

[ximmix]

Well you could determine which category you fit into first, that way I can determine whether it is worth while doing a bit of research or providing personal testimony or just giving it up as a waste of time. Which it is really, because your opening challenge clearly indicates that you've never even looked for evidence of your own, you just assumed there is none.

You need to put me into a category to answer a simple question? Wow...

 

[ximmix]

Let's just jump to the bit where I have provided the evidence (as I've said it is there if you are willing to look for it) now what is your response?

If you provide the evidence I'll look at it of course.

 

[dcalling]

Well, based on the evidence the percetage is 0.

About abortion, I don't support long term abortions and I don't there is any really, I think the law where I'm from is reasonable, elective abortion until 18 weeks...

Well, you can also say there is 0 evidence that there is no after life as well Remember we are limited by our knowledge. Just a few hundred years ago people see no evidence there are electrical magnetic waves everywhere.

And how do you know before 18 weeks the unborn can't feel pain?

I think it's quite funny when religious people compare the relationship with God to that of a parent and child, I wouldn't drown my child if I was annoyed that they didn't turn out the way I hoped (by the way, God knew long before Noah how people would turn out).

This is because you don't believe in after life. death in this world is not a finish, it is more like a timeout. Us to God is like an animal to a human, where it is impossible for an animal to understand the things human is doing, compare to it is impossible for us to understand what God, a much higher being is doing.

You say God didn't send the serpent, but surely he allowed for the serpent to be sent, fully aware of the consequences...


Just a quick comment on that, yes he did create evil. if you trace it back to the fall of Lucifer, God knew he would rebel and allowed it. If you're sticking with Him being all knowing and all powerful, everything goes back to Him, the buck stops there.

As I explained before, God is all knowing and very powerful, but all that stops the moment He create souls that can do truly random things. Do you know that in computers there is no random, only pseudo random (that seems random but is not). God is capable of creating true randomness. How do you predict true randomness? It can only be done via statics in a group, but not on an individual.

 

[ximmix]

Well, you can also say there is 0 evidence that there is no after life as well Remember we are limited by our knowledge. Just a few hundred years ago people see no evidence there are electrical magnetic waves everywhere.

And how do you know before 18 weeks the unborn can't feel pain?

Really, there is also 0 percent chance that Hinduism isn't the one true religion.

About the 18 weeks, i'm comfortable with that.

This is because you don't believe in after life. death in this world is not a finish, it is more like a timeout. Us to God is like an animal to a human, where it is impossible for an animal to understand the things human is doing, compare to it is impossible for us to understand what God, a much higher being is doing.

you do understand that across the world there are thousands of faiths, and the chance that the one you were born into is the exact right one is miniscule. so, i twist pascals wager around, what if there is no God, and this is all we have? wouldn't your life here on earth have been a waste, not caring just looking forward to the afterlife?

As I explained before, God is all knowing and very powerful, but all that stops the moment He create souls that can do truly random things. Do you know that in computers there is no random, only pseudo random (that seems random but is not). God is capable of creating true randomness. How do you predict true randomness? It can only be done via statics in a group, but not on an individual.

No, either God is all knowing or not. Can God know how all these random events turn outor not? If he can't, He is not all knowing, is that what you mean?

 

[dcalling]

Really, there is also 0 percent chance that Hinduism isn't the one true religion.

About the 18 weeks, i'm comfortable with that.

I will respect your thoughts, and just remember, someone else might comfortable with 36 weeks, 6 month, 9 month or even after been born, or maybe fully grown

you do understand that across the world there are thousands of faiths, and the chance that the one you were born into is the exact right one is miniscule. so, i twist pascals wager around, what if there is no God, and this is all we have? wouldn't your life here on earth have been a waste, not caring just looking forward to the afterlife?

I did born into a different setting, totally atheist. But eventually I realized there must be something other than the physical world, 100% sure.

Took me a lot longer to believe the God of Christianity is true.

No, either God is all knowing or not. Can God know how all these random events turn outor not? If he can't, He is not all knowing, is that what you mean?

No and Yes that is what I meant. You might missed all my other posts.

 

[ximmix]

I will respect your thoughts, and just remember, someone else might comfortable with 36 weeks, 6 month, 9 month or even after been born, or maybe fully grown

Well someone might be comfortable with a lot of things. doesn't change my view tho...

I did born into a different setting, totally atheist. But eventually I realized there must be something other than the physical world, 100% sure.

Took me a lot longer to believe the God of Christianity is true.

I'm pretty sure you were born into a mainly Christian society, so when you felt you needed faith in a God, not surprising it was the God of chrisianity. i would have been impressed if u found faith in some god only known to some island people somewhere.

No and Yes that is what I meant. You might missed all my other posts.

Ok, i don't think I missed your posts, but just in case, could you pls recap the main points for me?

 

[Silly Uncle Wayne]

Aaaand still no signs of this evidence. You know you make the claim, you provide the evidence to back it up

Craig Keener's Miracles.

 

[Silly Uncle Wayne]

If you provide the evidence I'll look at it of course.

Craig Keener's Miracles.

 

[dcalling]

I'm pretty sure you were born into a mainly Christian society, so when you felt you needed faith in a God, not surprising it was the God of chrisianity. i would have been impressed if u found faith in some god only known to some island people somewhere.

You were wrong. I was born into a mainly atheist society with some faded Buddhist influence. The God of Christianity actually come up almost last (Islam come up last but eventually I researched it out).

You were born into a faded Christian society, so you assumed

Ok, i don't think I missed your posts, but just in case, could you pls recap the main points for me?

God is capable of creating true randomness, and if it is true randomness then no one is capable of knowing its out come.

 

[Qwertyui0p]

It repenteth me that I have set up Saul to be king: for he is turned back from following me, and hath not performed my commandments. And it grieved Samuel; and he cried unto the Lord all night.
1 Samuel 15:11

The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.
Genesis 6:6

I think it's anthropomorphism.

 

[ximmix]

You were wrong. I was born into a mainly atheist society with some faded Buddhist influence. The God of Christianity actually come up almost last (Islam come up last but eventually I researched it out).

Ok sorry, I thought you were Born in the USA (where have I heard that before?)

 

[ximmix]

God is capable of creating true randomness, and if it is true randomness then no one is capable of knowing its out come.

Not even God?